Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by Naxrius

No matter how blatantly bad a game is, a fanboys vision will always be clouded, and to them it wil still seem awesome.

SWTOR will end up just like RIFT.

Just give up guys, wait for gw2 or keep playing WoW, but stop talking about swtor, is an amazing game and it will be huge success, for many many many years, well already is. So if the 5% didnt like the game, is ok, nothing gonna change. 

Oh it will be a huge success, just expect a large amount of player churn. As long as you look at it a single player game with some MMO options you won't be dissapointed.

Your comment is enough to show us that you know nothing about the game. 

yeah I only played 4 characters past lvl 40. I tremble before your vast knowledge.

BTW find any post I ever made where I said the game is not worth buying or trying. But when tha game is simply Mass Effect II set in a Star Wars universe with a multiplayer option. It is not bad, but it si certainly not what I would call a great step forward in multiplayer gaming either.

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by Jackdog

Oh it will be a huge success, just expect a large amount of player churn. As long as you look at it a single player game with some MMO options you won't be dissapointed.

Or, even better, you can look at it for what it is:  An actual, very solid MMO.

 

 

really ? . You could play this game to 50 and never talk to another soul and you character will not suffer.

Originally posted by h0urg1ass

OBioWare barely glances at the known fanboy posts here, but I guarantee they're reading the detractors posts in order to see if/what they can improve in order to bring in those extra dollars.

 

if that is true BW I want  a JTL style space game, lots and lots of social clothing which does not afect my armor stats, dyable armor and a customizable graphics for my space ship and a ship I can decorate teh interior of. In essence the same things I posted about on the beta boards 57 dozen different times

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by Naxrius

No matter how blatantly bad a game is, a fanboys vision will always be clouded, and to them it wil still seem awesome.

SWTOR will end up just like RIFT.

Just give up guys, wait for gw2 or keep playing WoW, but stop talking about swtor, is an amazing game and it will be huge success, for many many many years, well already is. So if the 5% didnt like the game, is ok, nothing gonna change. 

Oh it will be a huge success, just expect a large amount of player churn. As long as you look at it a single player game with some MMO options you won't be dissapointed.

the game is worth buying if only to run 2 or three characters through it. The Imp and Repub storylines are seperate. PvPers will like the game also, best PvP design since DAoC in my opinion. Now if the would just redo the space game to JTL style I would be a happy camper.

hmmm an innovative crafting system, best storylines I have ever seen in a MMO, and the fantastic companion system seems to have escaped the OP's notice. BTW I canceled my preorder so lets not bring out the fanboy remarks. But I do give the game credit for the things it has done really well

I am sure I am going to get slammed by some of the fanboys on this one but I canceled my pre order this morning for a lot of the reasons the people in that vid seemed to feel. Don't get me wrong it is a really fun game in many many ways but misses the mark on a lot of things also. First thing I told all my gaming freinds is that if you enjoyed Biowares single player games this is a must buy and you will love it.

 I see the game as a really good single player game set in multi player mode. I don't see it as a long term game for most of us. There is too little character customization, every level 15 smuggler looks like ever other level 15 smuggler. The voice dialogue is fantastic as are the cut scenes the first couple of time, then they get old. The world graphics are gorgeous but feel sterile in an odd way.  The space game is billed as amini game to account for its faults, but have you ever seen a MMO mini game that gives char XP and coin rewards? There are other nitpicky things that annoy me about the game also but those are my major complaints,

Maybe I just have beta burnout, and I guarantee you if they ever do a space expansion that has JTL gameplay I will be buying and playing the heck out of it.  I  probably would not have canceled my pre order if my gaming friends had decided to roll on a PvP server, because the open world  PvP rocks in my opinion. My opinion is that if you liked BW's singler player games then the game is well worth the box price, but don't expect a long term game if you are a PvE only  player. It just is not there. The game is very good, but it is far from great. Although at this point in my gaming life I am not sure if any MMO will ever live up to my expectations.

Now excuse me while I put on my flame retardent suit.

Originally posted by Azrile

I can almost promise you that the ´open beta´ will keep slipping further and further back until it is about 2 weeks before launch and is limited to the first few hours of actual gameplay.....ah... I remember you well Tortege.   Funcom is absolutely not going to have any type of real open beta.

agree, in the past Funcom has been excellent at marketing but not so good at producing a polished game. I will wait for ayt least a month after release before hey ever see a dime of my money. Anyone want to bet the release date will be pushed back multiple times , just like they did with AoC ? FC is the master of the carrot just out of reach trick

BTW I hope 6 months from now I will be proved wrong on everything above.

one or two builds back I soloed a char to lvl 45 not grouping to see if my toon sufffered. It didn't

 I really do like the game even after a year of testing yet I have to agree with everything the OP said. A freind and I were discussing the game thios morning and while we bot agree the game is fun, we really don't see ourselves playing it for a extensive length of time. Bioware misssed the mark on a lot of points I think, but that wont stop me from logging on as soon as my copy is in my hands LOL

for me the voice overs were novel at first, but after running a couple of dozen toons through the same quests I got to the point where I just wanted to smack the quest giver and scream get on with it. The voice acting is hit and miss anyway. Some of it is medicre and some is just wretched

I agree with the OP.  Been beta testing fsince September of 2010, over a year now.

I played mostly troopers specced to  commando  and jedi Knights. Also played the smuggler and Consular to at least lvl 20 each.  Never played imps yet, saving that for release. I have played on the PvP servers and think they are a blast, the PvE servers are almost as much fun. 

I love 90% plus of this game, crafting has shaped up nicely, and the storyline and world creation is fantastic. My biggest gripe is the  space combat. I find it a snooze fest f but still do it because of the good exp and it is a change of pace, don't expect much of a challange there. There are a few things I would change if I could but I give the game a B+.

Originally posted by Azureblaze

If they could upgrade AO with this engine and animatons...man.. :)

that should have been done long ago. AO had the best skill system I ever saw in a MMO. Dunno why FC never upgraded the graphics engine, that would be a blockbuster game.

Originally posted by DaSpack

Originally posted by Jackdog

sweet pic, AoC has held the crown now for awhile as the prettiest MMO, I wish I liked the game play

Well,  It's a bit more than that. It does not hold the crown for being pretty still pictures. It holds the crown for the best dynamic lighting, the best shading, the best water effects, the best motion captured animations, etc etc.. and so on. Basically anything related to the graphics noone are able to match... Yet. maybe someone will identify this as a market niche sometime in the future and try and take it away from FunCom. but at the moment I'd say good luck with that.

when they were touting their move to DX10 I remember going back for a month to check it out and laughing at the tree and grass animations. They did the presttiest litle figure 8 animations every 2 seconds.

Nope I have to disagree,  AoC has the title for best still pics, nothing more.. LoTRO stil has the best landscape, water and lighting by far, and a couple of new upcoming games will be setting new strandards for grpahics which will put both AOC and LoTRO to shame.

But on another note I have been revisiting Diablo II recently, horrid antiquey, blocky ugly graphics but the fun factor is still immense. I always thought of AoC as the pretty but dull as dirt cheerleader game. Once you get past the (pixilated) titis there is not much there to hold ones attention.

too bad it was not worthy of a 9 of 10 at release. I noticed it is flirting with going into the 100's over at XFire, not exactly the kind of population you would think a 9 of 10 game would have.

sweet pic, AoC has held the crown now for awhile as the prettiest MMO, I wish I liked the game play

Originally posted by ArcheAge

Time will tell but one thing is certain,this is not Dark&Light. The world is new and the names are new and the engine is new ,it's a new MMO that shares some of the concepts of D&L.

Anyway here is a vid from 2010,it's small taste from a gaming convention in china.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12xsh4DP4h0

ever seen a game trailer that did not look awesome ?

Originally posted by xKingdomx

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by xKingdomx

Originally posted by Jackdog

people who really want different game play can look here

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm

I don't know how many games are on that list but it is  alot  more than when Verant released Everquest 12 years ago.   Choices are out there people. As they say "don't let the door hit ya" no one is forcing anyone to pull their credit card out

What choice? 90% of the game in that list is either WoW inspired or so buggy that you would rather punch the screen.

 

Or just a grind fest of hotkey 1,2,3.

 

There are probably around 10-20 games on that list that is worth looking at. Even less if you want a genuine MMO experience.

which does not negate that you stil have a huge choice of games to play. MMOFPS games, MMO space  sim games, MMO sports  sims, MMO Flight combat sims, MMO golf games.. the list is amazingly long.Of ocurse internet forums and blogs are for people to complain and attempt to convince others they are coney sewers.

Just myself but I don't expect much thee days from MMOs, I play them for the social aspect beasue none are really what I would consider challenging

 

I guess its just different ideals then. In my opinion, MMO are truly MMO when they are quite a bit of players playing it as well, just because the game offer a persisent world doesn't immediately make it a MMO for me, you need people to interact with (note interact, not just talk on chat channels or go raids with people). Most of those games you mentioned doesn't actually have a lot of players playing, thus making it less of a MMO for me.

as  said in my post, I play for the social aspect.  Got friends in my L:oTRO kinship that go bac 10 years. Some I met playing DII,  DAOC, and SWG. I have played with some of their sons and daughters and yes even a grandkid in one case. Wow has how many million players?  you won't ever interact with 1000 of them. I don't need 500K otehr people to enjoy a game,  25 good guildies will suffice

whatever, like I said if I want a challenge I play a FPS or a RTS, I don't expect much from combat in a MMO. Some scenery and some company and with a bit of luck a good story helps.

I am planning on playing this game and GWII and DIII over the next year and still squeeze in some LoTRO, screw that one game is supposed to satisfy all my gaming needs BS

Originally posted by xKingdomx

Originally posted by Jackdog

people who really want different game play can look here

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm

I don't know how many games are on that list but it is  alot  more than when Verant released Everquest 12 years ago.   Choices are out there people. As they say "don't let the door hit ya" no one is forcing anyone to pull their credit card out

What choice? 90% of the game in that list is either WoW inspired or so buggy that you would rather punch the screen.

 

Or just a grind fest of hotkey 1,2,3.

 

There are probably around 10-20 games on that list that is worth looking at. Even less if you want a genuine MMO experience.

which does not negate that you stil have a huge choice of games to play. MMOFPS games, MMO space  sim games, MMO sports  sims, MMO Flight combat sims, MMO golf games.. the list is amazingly long.Of ocurse internet forums and blogs are for people to complain and attempt to convince others they are coney sewers.

Just myself but I don't expect much thee days from MMOs, I play them for the social aspect beasue none are really what I would consider challenging

people who really want different game play can look here

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm

I don't know how many games are on that list but it is  alot  more than when Verant released Everquest 12 years ago.   Choices are out there people. As they say "don't let the door hit ya" no one is forcing anyone to pull their credit card out