All Posts by BigMango

Again, you are running in circles. As I said, you haven't seen many mmorpg launches.

Many mmorpgs launched without enough content. Take Lotro, a game many here, including myself, believe is one of the better mmorpgs, had people complaining all over as they ran out of content a  couple weeks after release.

Originally posted by Bladeinhand

 

Game is broken in sooo many ways, you can read all about them here and on the official site before they lock the threads.

Game is missing lots of content. Most of the things they promised are either broken or missing, like most of the things they printed on the box.

Yes, we already know this. And I agree the game has bugs and missing features. We also know that we are at launch and we know how it went for the other games on average. All of the mmorpgs had bugs/missing content at launch. What we also know, is how almost everyone agrees with how solid the AoC game foundations are.

It seems you haven't seen many mmorpgs launches, have you.

Originally posted by Shastra

 

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Originally posted by BigMango
No, the difference between you guys and me is that you are giving your opinion whereas I am basing my arguments on facts.

1. Worldwide ratings and how they can change over a couple months on average.
2. retail sales numbers, they are all over, there are enough threads about this, I won't post them for you.
2. Subscription numbers. Look at other games' numbers, then look at all of the negative blogs, player reviews etc... who predict AoC will lose 50% of its players.
3. On average we know how much mmorpgs lose players after they have been released. AoC had more players than lotro had at launch and as I said, if AoC loses half its players it'll still be more than lotro which is imho one of the best mmorpgs.

But you guys here are only bashing. You are basing your arguments on nothing.

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And you are basing your arguments on assumptions and ratings which change every second week? why should we believe you more?

First, I am basing my arguments on something, whereas you guys are basing it on nothing but personal opinion.

Then, I am basing my arguments compared to what we have seen with others games on average.

There is nothing more anyone can say today. Everything else is just bashing and/or fanboism.

See you again in 6 months / 1 year when we can say something more.

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Originally posted by Bladeinhand

You just posted the exact same thing in another thread http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/186175/page/10
 
Our opinion doesnt matter remember?

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Yes, your opinion doesn't matter compared to worldwide players and the facts:

1. Worldwide player (and reviewer) ratings and we know how they can change over a couple months on average.

2. retail sales numbers, they are all over, there are enough threads about this, I won't post them for you.

2. Subscription numbers. Look at other games' numbers, then look at all of the negative blogs, player reviews etc... who predict AoC will lose 50% of its players.

3. On average we know how much mmorpgs lose players after they have been released. AoC had more players than lotro had at launch and as I said, if AoC loses half its players it'll still be more than lotro which is imho one of the best mmorpgs.

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Originally posted by Bladeinhand
And i'm still waiting for an answer for your better 90% of MMO's claim.

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Sorry, I answered you 4 or 5 times already. You really need to go take some reading comprehension classes, I can't help you more.
 

No, the difference between you guys and me is that you are giving your opinion whereas I am basing my arguments on facts.

1. Worldwide ratings and how they can change over a couple months on average.

2. retail sales numbers, they are all over, there are enough threads about this, I won't post them for you.

2. Subscription numbers. Look at other games' numbers, then look at all of the negative blogs, player reviews etc... who predict AoC will lose 50% of its players.

3. On average we know how much mmorpgs lose players after they have been released. AoC had more players than lotro had at launch and as I said, if AoC loses half its players it'll still be more than lotro which is imho one of the best mmorpgs.

But you guys here are only bashing. You are basing your arguments on nothing.

Originally posted by solareus

NPD charts, all the scores  , woohoo it is the best "selling" new game of this moment. To bad that moment doesn't translate in an actual subscriptions. Pat yourselves on the back , you have the "moment"

And you should know? Please tell me where you get this information. Even if AoC loses half its players it will still be more than lotro, which is one of the best mmorpgs imho.

There are only 2 valid figures : subscription numbers and worldwide player ratings.

That said, you guys on these forums have personal opinions, and you are entitled to them. Unfortunately you are only a small fraction of the playerbase.

Originally posted by Bladeinhand

Read the comments part tells a different story to me the 8.5 means nothing. And answer my question, how is this game better than 90% of all MMO's?

You have reading comprehension problems?

Again, just for you: There are only 2 valid figures : subscription numbers and worldwide player ratings.

That said, you guys on these forums have personal opinions, and you are entitled to them. Unfortunately you are only a small fraction of the playerbase.

Originally posted by Shastra

 

 

Looks like someone is too stubborn to except the fact that every new game gets high ratings when its new.

Again for the basher, who cares what you say? : There are only 2 valid figures : subscription numbers and worldwide player ratings.

Now even if AoC loses half its players it will still be more than lotro, which is one of the best mmorpgs imho.

Originally posted by Shastra

 

 

Lol here too? same argument? like i said its new so its hot and on top. Wait for couple of months then we will see if its still on top or not. You take this sites rating way too seriously buddy. And stop saying its better then 90% of other mmorpgs or if you really that confident prove it otherwise and not on the basis of this sites ratings.

Bashers are just bashing. That's what you do.

You have you opinion and you are showing how very limited it is compared to what the people are playing.

There are only 2 valid figures : subscription numbers and worldwide player ratings.

But of course I should base my opinion on what a handfull bashers on the mmorpg.com forums are saying

Originally posted by fyerwall

Aye, hes trying to use the same argument in the other thread as well. Truth is, AoC is nothing more than an average game if you go by ratings and averages.

Again, the mmorpg list is here: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm

What's the average, 5 or 6 at most maybe? AoC is getting 8.5 here, worldwide it's about the same average.

Originally posted by Ascension08

True but the other 90% are rarely mentioned, only the big/medium players are talked about. So out of WoW, EQ2, EVE, LoTRO, GW and the like, is it better than 90% of those top MMOs? I would say no.

Now this is a whole other subject for argument.

Imho, just look at the subscription numbers in a couple months and you have your answer.

As for the other 90% being rarely mentioned, this is only in the threads you are reading, that being the games you are interested in. Many people are playing those other games. Perfect World itself has several million players, that's more than Lotro, EQ2 and the likes.

Originally posted by Bladeinhand

Please explain to me how this game is 90% better than all the other mmorpg's out, you just said the exact same thing on another post, Please enlighten me how this game breaks any ground or betters current MMO's. People are bashing this game because they are p****d off with the quality of the game.

People are bashing? What I see all over the web is people are giving this game an average of 8-8.5; with 8.5 on mmorpg.com, 8.3 on gamespot.com, etc... These are the average mmorpg game player ratings.

On these forums, people have been bashing every mmorpg that was released in the past years. This is no news with AoC. There is also a huge percentage of players who are always waiting for the next "miracle" mmo to come out and they are never satisfied; as they say it themselves they aren't even playing an mmo currently as nothing's good enough.

As for AoC being better than 90% of the games, here is the mmorpg.com games list: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm

In the top 10% there are imho only a handful of those games, these being lotro, eve, eq2, wow and maybe a small couple others but thats it. Looking at this list again now, I would even correct my statement to say that AoC is already better than more than 90% of the mmorpgs.

And don't forget, that as with any other mmorpg, we are only at launch. The game will be patched up to improve and change and Funcom have alredy shown this by patching almost twice per week.

Originally posted by fyerwall

Originally posted by BigMango

Originally posted by solareus

The top dogs spoke, a 75% average just doesn't cut it for that kind of game play,.

 

The problem is that even with its bugs and missing features (yes we are only at launch) AoC is already better than 90% of the other mmorpgs on the market.

Look at all of the negative posts on this site, more than 50% of the people bashing AoC have no other mmorpg to play (they say it themselves); they are just waiting for the next "miracle" mmorpg that isn't coming out and then they can start bashing again -> take the most polished lotro for example, even when its perfectly polished at launch there are bashers all over.

 

 

Where does it say its better than 90% of all the other MMOs on the market currently?

Newer than 90% maybe. Better than 90%? Thats personal opinion, which in my opinion its pretty on par with most MMOs out currently gameplay wise.

Yes these forums are here to post opinions, welcome to the news

Now if you want we could argue that AoC with 8.5 is currently at the top of all of the mmorpgs on this site, but this is something for another thread.

As for AoC being on par with "most MMOs out". I'm sorry, have you seen the list of mmorpgs on this site . I said it's better than 90%, and I stay with my word. There are only a handful of games more or less at AoC's level, those few being Lotro, Eve, Wow, EQ2 and maybe a couple others, but that's it, that's the top 10% and maybe that top is even less than 10%.

Originally posted by solareus

Yet we have some weird Canadian networked review board that no one has heard of, but able to push up the average of the game, an average that was going down fast and 3 more 70% reviews would of pushed it down to a 79% average game.

Eidos is probably furios right now at this project simply because they have to put more money into hyping up what is now becoming very fast a sinking ship... in my opinion.

I has nothing to do with Canada. Just look all over the world, it's the same average 8.5.

One of the sites in the list I know very well for being independent and doing thorough detailed reviews is the French clubic.com; the OP says they gave it a 10 but it was 9.5. Go to Germany, Denmark, Hong Kong, its the same average 8.5.

And the players are confirming this average with 8.5 on mmorpg.com, 8.3 on gamespot.com, etc...

Also don't forget that mmorpgs are living entities, they are improving and changing with every patch, and Funcom is currently almost patching twice per week.

Originally posted by solareus

The top dogs spoke, a 75% average just doesn't cut it for that kind of game play,.

The problem is that even with its bugs and missing features (yes we are only at launch) AoC is already better than 90% of the other mmorpgs on the market.

Look at all of the negative posts on this site, more than 50% of the people bashing AoC have no other mmorpg to play (they say it themselves); they are just waiting for the next "miracle" mmorpg that isn't coming out and then they can start bashing again -> take the most polished lotro for example, even when its perfectly polished at launch there are bashers all over.

Originally posted by audioedge

8.5 for AoC is way way way too high a rating imo (and 97% is a flat out advert for the game)

no dx 10 as promised, sieging gimped, crafting/resource gathering borked, mounts still need fixing, grey elites pwning, everything instanced (the arena thing in noble district, makes you load about 6 times), class inbalance, ui rubbish, hardly any pugs, lack of content past level 50, instances boring, system problems and crashes....

yes it has nice graphics and combat is fun (to a point) but i think any score above a 7 is not justified (imo)

I partly agree with you. But even with its bugs/missing features AoC is already better than 90% of the other mmorpgs. As I said, after more than 50 levels I would give it an 8 myself until the bugs are fixed and the promised features are in.

Just look at all of the threads here, more than 50% of the people bashing AoC have no other mmorpg to play; they are just waiting for the next game to come out and so they can start bashing again -> look at the most polished lotro for example, even when its perfectly polished at launch there are bashers all over.

8.5 average seems rather accurate to me as the average player ratings all over, 8.5 on mmorpg.com, 8.3 on gamespot.com, etc... seem to confirm this.

After playing for more than 50 levels I would give it an 8 until all of the small bugs and promised features are fixed. And Funcom is patching almost twice a week, looks good to me so far.

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Originally posted by Ghost12

 

Maybe youve learned now that pointing that stubby finger will get you into more trouble than its worth. Maybe.

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Learned what? I'd rather say you should think twice before trolling. Your original post was a huge . It's difficult to do better than that, fits the troll definition perfectly, grats. And I won't even talk about how you call people "idio-uh" and so on.

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Originally posted by Ghost12
Hahahahaha!

 

Thats what I do when I read bullcrap reviews like this one.

"Pro" reviews are a joke. Ignore them.

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Fortunately there are still many quality negative posts, by talismen351 and the many others. Even you have shown that you can do better than that.

FYI, here is a new thread with 50 AoC reviews, the average score is 8.5. Matches the average 8-8.5 player ratings we can see all over on gamespost.com, mmorpg.com, etc..., perfectly.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/186513

Originally posted by xxreaper008

Originally posted by Chainmail

The PvP servers are just gank fests with no risk/reward/penalty system in place.

In what game is PvP not a gank fest?

Lineage 2, one of the very rare pvp gems out there, is not a gankfest.

The good/real pvp games aren't gankfests. These games also don't need to have separate pve and pvp servers. It makes for a better, free, open world.  Unfortunately for the casual player, these are also most of the time hardcore games. It's only in the games where pvp was only added as "another" cheap feature (90% of the games) that pvp is crap, like EQ2, Vnaguard, AoC currently, etc... which are some of the poorest pvp designs (actualy there is no design to talk about in those games, lol).

Now it seems that Funcom have taken many ideas from L2 when designing the new pvp improvements that will be coming soon. If what they say is true AoC could very well become one of the top 3 or 4 pvp mmorpgs.

Originally posted by shadenis

Originally posted by BigMango

Originally posted by babac

You ppl need to chill. AOC is just a fu**ing game. To many people here take it to serious. If you like it play it, if not then don't play it, instead of trolling here get a job, a gf or a life ??

 

QFT. It seems some people here (not everyone) have nothing better to do. Too bad they need to come here to troll arround because they have no better game to play.

 

 

Have you already checked the 6,7 review of the staff writer in a other thread.

He is being honest, not attacking the game nor praising it. Just an honest review. He gave it a 6,7. Is he now also a troll?

Mmorpg.com's Jon Wood has reviewed AoC, giving it a 7.9 "Good". You can check it out here:  http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/186079

Regarding the trolls, read my post again, it seems you failed to read what I said. Also, FYI, this is what a troll is: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll