Originally posted by avalon1000

 When I got back on LOTRO I looked around and was amazed at something LOTRO players take for granted...NO  BOTS!

Comparing apples and oranges much?

Lotro is not a competitive game, of course you won't see as much cheating.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Lots of games have incentives to bring new ppl in like WAR and LOTRO, AoC's turn now.

Yes I know. As I edited later on, I am not trying to be negative about the game

edit: but still there is a problem here. You get:

+ 30 constitution

+ 7 natural stamina regen

+ 30 evade rating

+ 40 hit rating

+ 30 critical rating

+30 immunity rating

+ 5% out of combat movement (this one is not a problem as it is out of combat).

-> the problem is that AoC is a competitive PVP game (if you pvp). So those who "pay more" get an advantage...   (-> = cash shop, online gold buying, etc...     its ok for pve, but for pvp this is a bad thing).

"Recruit a Friend’ Rewards"

Ah nice, AoC is starting to turn into a cash shop game

Recruit 1 friend  (aka pruchase 1 sub) and get the "Bronze Ring of Hastening Winds" (level 20)

Recruit 3 friends (aka pruchase 3 subs) and get the "Silver Ring of Hastening Winds" (level 50)

Recruit 6 friends (aka pruchase 6 subs) and get the "Gold Ring of Hastening Winds" (level 80)

- > pay more to get some better stuff. The others who don't have friends who want to play can just go and buy some gold online. Legitimates the whole thing. Cool.

edit: anyway, don't get me wrong,I am not bashing the game. It will certainly bring some new blood to the game, which is good.

Originally posted by Shreddi

Thinking that an mmo holding that many players in one giant zone/world must have some killer equiptment/servers behind it as well as very effecient code. 

MMOs 5 years ago (WOW, Lineage 2,...) had a huge open world.

Lineage 2 is one of the bigger open worlds, and it handles pvp fortress sieges - yes all of the fortresses are in the open world - with 400+ players fights daily.

5 years later we have much more powerful PCs & graphic cards, and what do we get? A small zoned world where your guild can pvp with max 48 of its players at 1 time (not all the players in 1 guild can take part together in the same fight, can you imagine this?).

Originally posted by Wakygreek

and a few other interesting rumors like SM pets being able to fly.

Interesting? No way.

Unfortunaltely, the SM pets will be able to fly, yes. This is one more thing to screw up the game balance.

Because the SM pet can't fly they have a skill that cuts the opponents wings in mid-air. So with 1 skill the opponent dies. Now, if they will also get the pet then they should remove this skill. But of course they won't....

This is what happens now when you fight an SM:

• in the Air: he cuts your wings with 1 skill and you die. (the fight doesn't even start, you are already dead).
• on the ground: he uses fear so you go run around and aggro the whole area to die to the mobs (+ pet + spells).

So now they also need a flying pet, 1 shotting you in the air is not enough? Screw this.

Yes, starting from around level 17 there are group areas and  instances (also in the Abyss, starting at level 25) non-stop for all levels until level 50.

You will never see 1 level where you won't have access to a group zone for your level.

Furthermore, in the Abyss the fortresses have dungeons. To get access to them your faction must own the fortress.

Originally posted by heartless

The OP's question was "why the crying?" I gave him an answer.

Ok, I'm fine with this

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Originally posted by heartless

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Originally posted by BigMango

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Originally posted by heartless

 

Aion presents an interesting situation where at level 25, you're able to venture forth into a PvP zone but since a lot of your enemies will be higher level than you, you pretty much stand no chance. The only way to level the playing field is to level up as fast as possible.

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You sound like a solo player    -> but Aion is an mmo -> a social game.
 
Go there with your friends and suddenly the experience changes completely. And later on, when you reach some higher levels you will do fine solo.
 
Think as you learn to play, adapt to the situations, get organised, and everything will be easier.
 

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A social game doesn't mean that you have to always be in a group. An MMO is a game where thousands of people are playing on the same server, at the same time.

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Ehh... what game have you been playing? In Aion I have a lot of solo content.

As for the PVP, I don't see much point in non-competitive PVP. That's how it is. If you don't like it then Aion is not the game for you, that's all, no big deal.

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Originally posted by heartless
Besides that, you completely missed the whole point of my post. The point is that people rush to the end game to be competitive and if the journey is boring, they will complain. It has nothing to do with my gaming preference.

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I agree with this, some people will rush due to the competition. But this doesn't mean that you have to. The only difference is that if you play less/slower you will play more with your legion/friends when you pvp in your early levels.

And while some people may find the journey boring, many others do enjoy it. Just as some people don't like chocolate but prefer ice cream; this doesn't make the ice cream any better than the chocolate.

Originally posted by devoux

People are crying because its shit boring to get there... you say temple runs take you 15 mins and it gets you 1 bubble so you are going to do that run 100 times at a total of 25 hours game-play, for one level. If you want to call that "immersion" or "fun" then fine. Also most casuals play 2-3 hours a day max, so you have yourself 8 days game-play of the same stuff, then even more for the next level.

This game is so linear and ridiculous it hurts, so I think all the "crybaby's" and "trolls" do have some credibility here. Or maybe im just a troll. Whatever.

Peace

No not at all. OP just gave you an example.

From level 25 to 31 I was in the Abyss (almost exclusively, apart from 4 or 5 high XP/equipment quests). At level 31 I was rank 5 soldier with 32'000 Abyss points.

Then I did a lot of questing (with some regular Abyss breaks of course) - each level  there are about 2 quests giving you 2 million XP around level 32-34 (and then some 1 million, 600k, etc...), and only at level 35 did I enter the Fire Temple (5 levels late).

And then you start the fortress/artifact/fortress dungeon pvp; guards (very good xp and abyss points),bosses, elites.... all of this with many pvp breaks due to the constant abyss threat. And of course the good XP/equipment quests will still always be there.

Originally posted by heartless

Aion presents an interesting situation where at level 25, you're able to venture forth into a PvP zone but since a lot of your enemies will be higher level than you, you pretty much stand no chance. The only way to level the playing field is to level up as fast as possible.

You sound like a solo player    -> but Aion is an mmo -> a social game.

Go there with your friends and suddenly the experience changes completely. And later on, when you reach some higher levels you will do fine solo.

Think as you learn to play, adapt to the situations, get organised, and everything will be easier.

+1

People were max level 50 in Lotro after 1 week; in Aion it took 2 weeks so people call it grindy.

There is no grind in Aion, unless you want to get the high end equipment - and thanks to those low rates (drops, crafting crits, abyss points,...) not everyone will run around with the exact same gear.

I am always deleting quests in my quest log because I out level them too fast. Missed the Training Grounds instance (its lvl 25-28, so Icouldn't enter it at level 29 which I didn't know) and almost missed the Fire Temple (level 30-38 instance which I entered at level 35).

But some people only like questing games (which are a social nightmare as everyone will always be on a different quest line and most players want to finish their quest lines instead of playing together with their friends - so when those players group, they will rather play with some total strangers rather than playing with their friends -> way to go to build a social network ), so why don't you just go play those games and leave the social games to us people who enjoy them?

There are different games for different people. To each his own.

Hahaha, yeah the question is "Are you BOY enough to grind to level 50?"

Because a man doesn't have the time it takes to grind on such games.

A man usually has a job, a family and a social life. Only the kids have the time to grind for 12 hours a day..... to accomplish what? Nothing.

Originally posted by LeKinK

I am also getting bored, I was playing 4 or 5 hours a day and now I almost can't play for 1 hour.  I was anxious to get to lvl 25 for the pvp, but now that I am lvl 25 I saw there isn't much pvp at all at this lvl and I need to lvl up again...

I hate pve and it's mostly always that..  I saw 1 band of elyos rifting so far, they got smoke in 2 minutes.  When I rifted I endend in some elite camp without any elyos to kill.   Fortress? All the mobs in there are lvl 40 and I hit them for 1..

 

I need like 10 more lvl for the game to become enjoyable but it's getting tedious.

Edit: Forget flying combat, the camera keep switching from side to side and you almost can't see what you are doing, the only way I saw to counter this is to not move while fighting in the air. Boring.

If there was at least 1 bg I would stay there.  At least there would be something to do for the solo pvper.

Man, what game have you been playing?

For me the PVP started at level 20 and I got as much of it as I wanted.

1. at level 20 you start getting quests that are sending you into the opposite faction territories (spying quests, delivery quests, robbery quests, opposite faction pvp killing quests, etc...)

2. at level 20 you also are in the rift areas. While PVEing I very often had asmos popping up around me (that surprise while PVEing is always some  awesome fun), and rifts opening up for me to go to asmodae.

3. at level 25 you do your Abyss entry quest chain. Once done I was in the Abyss whenever I wanted for some instant PVP action. The Abyss also has some of the best grind spots, dungeons and some nice quests for all levels. I.ex: delivery quests, pve quests, war related quests, but also quests to kill players of the opposite faction (and you will be doing these quests all the time as you need to kill 10 players of each abyss rank), and pvpve quests where you have to fight against the other faction for the right to pve (boss or spot).

4. at level 35 you start to be effective enough to take part in artifact and fortress PVP (you can start earlier but you wont be strong enough to be effective).

The points you get in the abyss also give you access to some of the best gear ingame.

And when you are tired you can always go on a ganking spree, alone or with some friends   (and as aion is a faction based pvp game, ganking makes sense and it is a lot of fun - even when you get ganked - as opposed to the ffa pvp games where the ganking ruins the fun)

Originally posted by DuraheLL

really? :) Ok, well I'm doing fine with my 3-4-5 3-4-5 3-4-5 3-4-5 cycle repeating though :D

You have obviously not played the game much.

Yes, it is true that when you start out you have only a couple skills as you learn to play and your character grows. But as you level you get a lot more skills. And once you are reaching your level 22 and 25 skills the situation starts to change completely.

You have to think and use different skills depending on the kind of opponent you are facing, the position of the opponent (the different classes face different situations, like for example a gladiator : if the enemy is standing still or if he is hopping around or flying (you miss due to your lacking accuracy so you will use different skills); or if he is lying on the ground following a kickdown you will use special skills that do more damage in this situation, etc... etc...). Add to this the added skills you get with the stigmas. This game's fighting system is very complex.

The difference will be 2-3 levels higher opponents, the speed of your kills and the number of opponents you can take on.

What you are saying equals "I could only play with auto attack and never use any skills".

-> The best systems are always "easy to get into, but difficult to master".

This fix worked for me:

http://www.aionsource.com/forum/betaboards-bug-reporting/30895-aion-eu-cannot-connect-authentication-server-4.html#post1133875

 http://cool4web.blogspot.com/2009/09/aion-authorization-server-error-fix.html

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Originally posted by Golarum

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Originally posted by BigMango

 

That said, if you uninstall KIS 2010 and it still doesn't work, then you probably also have another conflict on your system (or perhaps even a bug with gameguard - everything is possible, remember, we are testing beta software). But until you do, it is really pointless to talk more about this.

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So if I understand right, you are saying that the years of GG bugging games and people's computers is all KIS 2010's fault? Even though it didn't even exist back then?

 

You say if I downgrade to 2009 and continue having problems, it's still not GG, but something else in my computer?

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No, read my post again.

I am saying:

1. If you have KIS 2010 installed we know it is the problem due to a bug in KIS 2010.

2. If KIS 2010 is not installed and you still have problems then it could be something else, or even gameguard -> we are testing beta software, problems can happen. (but to know this you first need to uninstall KIS 2010).

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Originally posted by Golarum
Everyone who is having problems have ONE thing in common, and it is GG.

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You see, on one side we have people complaining day long about hackers and botters, and on the other side we have people complaining when a program tries to do something against it.

The issue here is that hacks use low level system calls.

To block them, gameguard has to use low level system access. And when you are in low level space issues and/or conflicts can happen in some circumstances (depending on software, drivers, etc.... installed).

Of course gameguard is not perfect, it doesn't prevent everything. But still, it blocks many hacks which is better than doing nothing.

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Originally posted by Golarum
My choice has been made a while ago like a lot of people, as long as they use GG, I will not play Aion.

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You should direct your anger at the hackers and the botters. This is where the problem is. Gameguard is doing a very complicated job in low level system space to fight the hacks. Without the hackers we wouldn't be talking about this problem today.

Anyway, I hope they will fix this issue asap so that the concerned minority can play without trouble. I know how frustrating it can be.

Originally posted by Golarum

WOW, do you even read before posting? I will try to say it more slowly...

KIS 2010   i s   n o t   t h e   p r o b l e m,   I   n e v e r    h a d   a n y    i s s u e s   r e l a t i n g    t o   k a s p e r s k y.   R e a d   m y   

f i r s t   p o s t   i n   t h i s   t o p i c   a n d   y o u   w i l l   s e e    t h a t   m y    p r o b l e m   h a s   n o t h i n g   t o   d o   w i t h    m y

a n t i - v i r u s.

Stop knitpicking my posts, read the whole post and you'll see that I'm telling you that GG is a piece of sh*t of a program and it is causing ALL SORTS of bugs, not only A V bugs.

D o   y o u   u n d e r s t a n d   m e   n o w   ?

 

As I said:

-> KIS 2010 is the problem. This is confirmed on the kaspersky forums.

Because you "n e v e r h a d a n y i s s u e s r e l a t i n g t o k a s p e r s k y" is completely irrelevant (gameguard has to use low level system access to block hacks that use low level access - and once you are in low level problems and conflicts can happen in some circumstances - even more so if an internet security tool has a bug with its rules management, like the *newly released* (aka "not properly tested")  KIS 2010 (KIS 2009 is fine).

That said, if you uninstall KIS 2010 and it still doesn't work, then you probably also have another conflict on your system (or perhaps even a bug with gameguard - everything is possible, remember, we are testing beta software). But until you do, it is really pointless to talk more about this.

Anyway, in my case I had 2 choices:

1. Act and replace KIS 2010 with NOD32 (KIS 2009 would also have been an option). -> and PLAY Aion.     (this took less than 5 minutes)

OR

2. whine and complain on forums refusing to remove KIS 2010 -> and NOT play Aion.

Guess which option I took?

Originally posted by afoaa

No matter, game still have gameguard and I'll be damned before I install a rootkit virus in order to play a game.

Your anti-virus software is not working properly. Get an anti-virus that works (i.ex NOD32 is very good, there are others) if you don't know better yourself.

You see, on one side we have people complaining day long about hackers and botters, and on the other side we have people complaining when a program tries to do something against it (hacks are using low level system calls, it isn't possible to block them without requiring low level system access - and low level system access can cause problems in some circumstances).

Of course gameguard is not perfect, it doesn't prevent everything. But still, it blocks many hacks which is better than doing nothing.

I had the same problem.

The fix was to add this to the advanced command line parameters line (in the launcher right click Aion / properties).

This is for the Euro servers (I don't know the IP for the US servers):

-ip:206.127.147.28 -port:2106 -cc:2

As soon as I added this line it worked (as it did for many other players on the aionsource forums).

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Originally posted by Golarum

 

Well I am sorry to say that you are wrong.

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Man, get yourself informed before posting. At the very least, check the kaspersky forums.

This has been a known problem with KIS 2010 for sometime now.

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Originally posted by Golarum
In KIS 2010, you can change rules for programs. All you need to do is go to settings, firewall, then settings again, and you get a list of all the software, you click on the software you want and do add and voila!

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If KIS 2010 worked properly this is how it should be, yes.

The problem is that KIS 2010 does not work properly (2009 does).

Sometimes it automatically adds rules you can't change/remove (this is what it did to me and to dozens of other users - its a bug). These rules then conflict and you have the problem we see with gameguard and some other software.

... and then you also have the problem that it fails to disable itself properly when you manually disable it.

KIS 2010 was obviously rushed out the door too early.

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Originally posted by Golarum
GG and Aion have full access to my computer unfortunately. But Gameguard still bugs, and the problem is not Kaspersky, it's GG that is just a bad buggy software.

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That's what I'm saying, this is due to the KIS 2010 bug -> the forced rules conflict with your rules and you can do nothing about it.

You can go back to kaspersky 2009 until they fix their software or use another AV.