All Posts by BigMango

According to an NCSoft interview 1 year ago, they have temporarily suspended the L3 development and assigned the L3 development team to help finish Aion faster. L3 development will resume when Aion is released.

Originally posted by branko2307

<3 how u mentioned AoC at the end anyway if u so much like LoTR and AoC why dont u go play it and forget about VG??instead u whine here about how U dun like the game...NEWSFLASH NO1 CARE WHAT U THINK..... to me Telon will just be better world without u....BB

So this is the only thing you got from my post? I am whining? Haha.

Thanks for your opinion anyway.

Originally posted by Binny45

What kind of atmosphere are ye looking for? Carbon Dioxide?  Seriously.  The game isn't perfect, but then again what MMO is?  Have you checked out the housing plots yet? Done any travelling?  Picked a spot on the map and simply gone there because you could?  Dude, there is SO much hidden stuff in this game, it would blow your mind.  I've been playing since release and even now I still find spots in the game that I didn't even know existed.  There are dungeons that are sunken below ground, hidden high in mountains and no, they are NOT marked on the map.  This game does not lead someone around by the nose and then try to call it adventure.  You, the player, must take a risk, and even then the risk isn't that bad as you can't delevel, and you can always summon your gear back.

I would strongly suggest you give it another shot.  If you like travelling and seeing the world, start a bard.  They are PERFECT for exploration.  I've seen stuff on him that I didn't even think were supposed to be in the game hehe.    Anyhow, it could also be that this game isn't for you.  This world is VAST.  I'm still exploring it and have a long way to go.  Don't give up too early, you'll only deny yourself an online pleasure.

Nice to hear some good positive opinions

Well, actually I'm not missing much: object shadows, birds in the skies, life with npcs living in the world, ... -> atmosphere. I can find some good gameplay in many other games. Atmosphere, a polished world, could put VG at the mmo top imho.

I have now resubbed lotro, but after reading you I'll give Vg another shot. I really want this game to succeed, it only needs some polish. Atmosphere/polish a breathing alive world to immerse myself into is 50% of the game for me.

Originally posted by pimpdizzle

I could go around and post on every games forum that mmorpg.com has about how bad it is. Lets face it, today all mmorpgs are bad, its about finding the best of the bad.

I can only agree with you.

If only we could mix something like lotro and aoc (for the world polish) together with the huge open uninstanced VG world it would go a huge step forward.

Originally posted by Rayx0r

no shadows?

no particles?

missing water reflections?

no lighting?  improper night lighting?

 

this all adds up to something, and its almost too obvious to post.  Either you have a poor memory and havnt logged in the past year.. or you're playing on very low video settings.   

I disagree with everything you've said as far as graphic quality goes with the exception of animations and NPC life.  The rest of it must have to do with your video settings, because the shadows/lighting/reflections are all proper.  The game also has fogging and halos in fog.  Its especially noticeable at night time when viewing distant lighting.  There are also birds that fly and critters that run around on the ground.  The water reflections correct.  Not sure why you're seeing it with such poor quality?

I have been playing with all of the settings maxed out (even maxed out more than what is available in the UI in the ini file) during beta and 1 month after realease on an ati x1900xt-512. Last week I have played it maxed out with an nvidia 8800gt.

Yes, as I said I see no shadows apart from characters and trees. Can you show me a screenshot with world object shadows (houses, fences, etc... objects have no shadows).

And yes I don't see any water reflections. Could you also post a screenshot?  I'd be glad to see these shots as I can't see this ingame and I have never seen any shots with world object shadows or water reflections. I hope it's my settings as you say.

As for the other engine features, yes some of them are there, but I still see so much is missing compared to other games. No only compared to lotro or aoc, but even free to play games like perfect world.

Originally posted by TrexorJd

 for me.

^fixed

Yes I am talking about my experience, I have also used the words "to me" several times in the above post. I obviously wasn't talking about your view of the game, good to see you realized that.

This place is to talk about our opinions and views regarding mmorpgs. Welcome to the forums.

1.5 years ago I was a VG fanboi listening to Sigil's lies; I was seeing a huge world with potential. Sadly, to me the game almost hasn't improved after 1.5 years.  (performance has always been good for me, even in beta and during the first month after release, before I quit the game).

The game still lacks atmosphere due to its very poor/minimal engine and it looks like 50% of its designers are only amateurs. Some things are really good, but so many are poorly done. This is very sad as it could be one of the very best mmos out there. As it is now I don't even want to play it for free (got the free month but can't make myself login even though I tried 10 or 20 times during 3 days, the game's execution is one of the worst I have seen... I can't make myself login into this unpolished world).

VG has some very poor lightning. It doesn't even have proper shadows. Nothing apart from characters and trees has a shadow in this game - world objects, houses etc.. have no shadow. The game looks great at night, but during the day it looks fake/bland due to the lack of shadows. We are in 2008, this is a 2007 game, hellooo?

Then, there is almost no lightning. I.ex lights, fires, etc... have no light hallos. Things like fireplaces light hallos in the distance at night make for some great atmosphere. VG has nothing like this.

Then, there are almost no world particle effects. Things like birds in the skies, butterflies (I am not talking about mobs, this is about "atmosphere") etc... are almost inexistant in this game. Again, this is about world life and atmosphere, where is it?

And where are the things like water reflections, etc... , the today mmorpg game engine basic features?

Then, there is no life in this world. I see dead cities in a soulless world. NPCs don't live there. The game lacks the basic scripting that gives life to mmo worlds.

Also, characters look like plastic barbie dolls and the armor doesn't look fun. I don't want to go out there and work for hours to level and get or craft the stuff. I can't "connect" with my character. This is one of the most important mmorpg basic features - character improvement - that is lacking here.

Finally, VG has some of the poorest animations I have seen. The character running looks so bad, it seems the characters don't fit in the world, they seem out of sync. The fighting animations are so slow... And for Chists sake, WHAT is this ridiculously gay jumping animation?
 
So, the bottom line for me is that after more than 1.5 years the VG game world polish is still only 25% there at most. I see dead cities in a soulless world with no atmosphere. Compared to this some other games like Lotro or Aoc feel so much more immersive and alive.

When I play an mmorpg I am of course looking for some gameplay, but the other 50% I am looking for is a world to immerse myself into. Atmosphere. VG doesn't have this, yet.
 

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

 I call BS on bladeinhands claim that he ran out of Conan content after a week. Thats just too funny.

Yep, I have played for almost 1 month now and I'm still in my early 50ies, with about 5 days /played. If you average this in 30 days that's about 4 hours per day, every day. And I'm far from running out of content.

It's a well know fact Lotro ran out of content for many a couple weeks after release. Even today there are people bringing this up regularly when talking about mmo launches.

Search the lotro forums, everything's there.

Again, you are running in circles. As I said, you haven't seen many mmorpg launches.

Many mmorpgs launched without enough content. Take Lotro, a game many here, including myself, believe is one of the better mmorpgs, had people complaining all over as they ran out of content a  couple weeks after release.

Originally posted by Bladeinhand

 

Game is broken in sooo many ways, you can read all about them here and on the official site before they lock the threads.

Game is missing lots of content. Most of the things they promised are either broken or missing, like most of the things they printed on the box.

Yes, we already know this. And I agree the game has bugs and missing features. We also know that we are at launch and we know how it went for the other games on average. All of the mmorpgs had bugs/missing content at launch. What we also know, is how almost everyone agrees with how solid the AoC game foundations are.

It seems you haven't seen many mmorpgs launches, have you.

Originally posted by Shastra

 

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Originally posted by BigMango
No, the difference between you guys and me is that you are giving your opinion whereas I am basing my arguments on facts.

1. Worldwide ratings and how they can change over a couple months on average.
2. retail sales numbers, they are all over, there are enough threads about this, I won't post them for you.
2. Subscription numbers. Look at other games' numbers, then look at all of the negative blogs, player reviews etc... who predict AoC will lose 50% of its players.
3. On average we know how much mmorpgs lose players after they have been released. AoC had more players than lotro had at launch and as I said, if AoC loses half its players it'll still be more than lotro which is imho one of the best mmorpgs.

But you guys here are only bashing. You are basing your arguments on nothing.

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And you are basing your arguments on assumptions and ratings which change every second week? why should we believe you more?

First, I am basing my arguments on something, whereas you guys are basing it on nothing but personal opinion.

Then, I am basing my arguments compared to what we have seen with others games on average.

There is nothing more anyone can say today. Everything else is just bashing and/or fanboism.

See you again in 6 months / 1 year when we can say something more.

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Originally posted by Bladeinhand

You just posted the exact same thing in another thread http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/186175/page/10
 
Our opinion doesnt matter remember?

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Yes, your opinion doesn't matter compared to worldwide players and the facts:

1. Worldwide player (and reviewer) ratings and we know how they can change over a couple months on average.

2. retail sales numbers, they are all over, there are enough threads about this, I won't post them for you.

2. Subscription numbers. Look at other games' numbers, then look at all of the negative blogs, player reviews etc... who predict AoC will lose 50% of its players.

3. On average we know how much mmorpgs lose players after they have been released. AoC had more players than lotro had at launch and as I said, if AoC loses half its players it'll still be more than lotro which is imho one of the best mmorpgs.

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Originally posted by Bladeinhand
And i'm still waiting for an answer for your better 90% of MMO's claim.

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Sorry, I answered you 4 or 5 times already. You really need to go take some reading comprehension classes, I can't help you more.
 

No, the difference between you guys and me is that you are giving your opinion whereas I am basing my arguments on facts.

1. Worldwide ratings and how they can change over a couple months on average.

2. retail sales numbers, they are all over, there are enough threads about this, I won't post them for you.

2. Subscription numbers. Look at other games' numbers, then look at all of the negative blogs, player reviews etc... who predict AoC will lose 50% of its players.

3. On average we know how much mmorpgs lose players after they have been released. AoC had more players than lotro had at launch and as I said, if AoC loses half its players it'll still be more than lotro which is imho one of the best mmorpgs.

But you guys here are only bashing. You are basing your arguments on nothing.

Originally posted by solareus

NPD charts, all the scores  , woohoo it is the best "selling" new game of this moment. To bad that moment doesn't translate in an actual subscriptions. Pat yourselves on the back , you have the "moment"

And you should know? Please tell me where you get this information. Even if AoC loses half its players it will still be more than lotro, which is one of the best mmorpgs imho.

There are only 2 valid figures : subscription numbers and worldwide player ratings.

That said, you guys on these forums have personal opinions, and you are entitled to them. Unfortunately you are only a small fraction of the playerbase.

Originally posted by Bladeinhand

Read the comments part tells a different story to me the 8.5 means nothing. And answer my question, how is this game better than 90% of all MMO's?

You have reading comprehension problems?

Again, just for you: There are only 2 valid figures : subscription numbers and worldwide player ratings.

That said, you guys on these forums have personal opinions, and you are entitled to them. Unfortunately you are only a small fraction of the playerbase.

Originally posted by Shastra

 

 

Looks like someone is too stubborn to except the fact that every new game gets high ratings when its new.

Again for the basher, who cares what you say? : There are only 2 valid figures : subscription numbers and worldwide player ratings.

Now even if AoC loses half its players it will still be more than lotro, which is one of the best mmorpgs imho.

Originally posted by Shastra

 

 

Lol here too? same argument? like i said its new so its hot and on top. Wait for couple of months then we will see if its still on top or not. You take this sites rating way too seriously buddy. And stop saying its better then 90% of other mmorpgs or if you really that confident prove it otherwise and not on the basis of this sites ratings.

Bashers are just bashing. That's what you do.

You have you opinion and you are showing how very limited it is compared to what the people are playing.

There are only 2 valid figures : subscription numbers and worldwide player ratings.

But of course I should base my opinion on what a handfull bashers on the mmorpg.com forums are saying

Originally posted by fyerwall

Aye, hes trying to use the same argument in the other thread as well. Truth is, AoC is nothing more than an average game if you go by ratings and averages.

Again, the mmorpg list is here: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm

What's the average, 5 or 6 at most maybe? AoC is getting 8.5 here, worldwide it's about the same average.

Originally posted by Ascension08

True but the other 90% are rarely mentioned, only the big/medium players are talked about. So out of WoW, EQ2, EVE, LoTRO, GW and the like, is it better than 90% of those top MMOs? I would say no.

Now this is a whole other subject for argument.

Imho, just look at the subscription numbers in a couple months and you have your answer.

As for the other 90% being rarely mentioned, this is only in the threads you are reading, that being the games you are interested in. Many people are playing those other games. Perfect World itself has several million players, that's more than Lotro, EQ2 and the likes.