All Posts by Distaste

It aint AoC. I think that is all anybody needs to know at this point.

Originally posted by sanders01

Ugh. That is just... bad. I've payed for the game, most CB testers that get in, probbly havent yet, so paying customers get in after random invites? Doesn't sound right in my head.

Whats a QA tester worth? $10 an hour? Lets just halve that and make it an even $5 since they do get to play the game early. So they only need to play 16 hours to "pay" for the game. I am willing to bet that many many many of the testers have put in more time than that. Remember just playing the game is testing so i don't want to hear crap about bad testers.

They paid more for the game in blood, sweat, and bloody battles. When you play for the first time and your character doesn't randomly have a cow fall on them, have your character drop his weapon because he has arthritis, or have a quest giver slice your head off just because you clicked decline quest you should thank the beta testers.

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by elvenangel

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Who can actually believe not having an official forum is a good idea, that is basically saying we dont want to interact with our community directly, we dont want to hear your input, nor do we want to discuss your grievances.

 

The only other MMo that doesnt have an official forum is FF11, and all those things are very much apperent, there is little to no player input when it comes to content or changes.

 

So I guess the constant talks we have with the Dev's over on WarhammerAlliance are just a bit suck this we don't wanna talk to you move...honestly atleast know what your talking about.

It doesnt' dilute the community it allows the community to actually productively work together instead of sitting around and QQing, Whining & Flaming.   If you dont like the community one 1 fansite you can easily move to another until you find yourself a niche thats the whole point. 

Anyone who's not familiar with DAoC I can understand their hestiation about a game NOT having a forum.  Only Vanguard tried and failed and that was do to them using it as  PR gimmick and not being serious.  Mythic is serious..you see this in their constant communication over on VN & WarhammerAlliance. THey dont have to come onto players threads and speak but they do and its great.

You miss the point. In WA forums, you have to be *constructive*. You can't just be pissed off and complain because you are paying a product and you have been ripped off. No. Because WA hasn't sold you the product, they are just a fan site. If you are not *constructive*, you are baned. Problem solved, Mythic can relax behind the lines and just keep posting for the WAR fanatics while the rest is conveniently silenced. This is the deal. And you better love everything about WAR because if you don't, you won't have a voice. You will have to be *constructive* and kiss everybody's ass. The guys at Mythic are very intelligent.

Get your tinfoil hat!

You can be constructive and pissed off at the same time. I would reccommend finding a critical thinking and writing guide.

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Who can actually believe not having an official forum is a good idea, that is basically saying we dont want to interact with our community directly, we dont want to hear your input, nor do we want to discuss your grievances.

 

Same person that believes having 2 cities instead of 6 is "great", that believes MJ is "great", that believes WAR will be "great". You have faith or you don't. If you have faith, you believe. Everything.

Don't need faith when you have experience.

If anyone believes that just because a company has game forums for their games that it means they are paying attention, interacting, or listening to your grievances then your 100% wrong with your head in the sand.

Just because some mod that may or may not know about the game tells you he is passing the info to the devs doesn't mean it makes it there. SWG was the same way, WoW was the same unless you hijacked an entire forum and even then it almost never happened.

You will find all the information you ever wanted on the big WAR fansites and probably a lot less noise to info. Announcements will be made VIA the herald. Whats the problem? You need official boards to troll? If you want the devs to hear you the BEST way to do it is to post in a respectable thread on a fansite with a well fleshed out post.

Guy needs to add more of the Asian games! I would love to see the astronomical numbers they put up.

Originally posted by Kurush

Originally posted by DrowNoble

Originally posted by Vicksburg

Originally posted by Kurush

 

EQ2 or Vanguard crafting blow away that of WoW.

EQ2's amount and depth of raid content blows away that of WoW.

GW's arena PvP blows away that of WoW.

DAoC or EVE's world PvP blows away that of WoW.

DAoC or L2's siege PvP blows away that of WoW.

 

HAHAHAHA

And WOW BLOWS away ALL other MMORPG's in both

NUMBER of Players AND subscriptions

ALL these MMORPG"s COMBINED don't even come to the HEELS of Wow

And why ???

because YOU Sir are BLINDED by hate,

 

 

 

Actually L2 has had more players than WoW, it's something of an obsession in asia.  If you just count North America and Europe's WoW Numbers, then they are actually behind L2.  About 3/4 of WoW's subs are coming from asia, where the gold farmer market is the largest.  So I have no doubt that a good chuck of their 10 million subs are actually gold farmer accounts.

No, I'm not an L2 fanboy either.  Never played it just read about it and its subs in asia.

 

Just to clarify a few things, DrowNoble, about these sub numbers.

The reason people don't like to count Asian numbers is because they can be vastly misleading when you try to compare Asian MMORPG's vs Western MMORPG's for purposes of revenue generated.  For any ORPG which involves a pay to play fee and has a wide base in Asia, the vast majority of the accounts _in_ Asia will be from people who pay hourly and play only in PC bangs (that's the Korean term, roughly translates to PC room, think internet cafe).  You simply can't compete in Asia without offering that pricing model.  PC bangs purchase very large numbers of keys, but they get a highly discounted rate.  Players then come in and pay per hour to play the game, without having to buy a key.  Some of that is given to Blizzard.  The rest is pocketed by the bang.

How does Blizzard count asian subs?  Anybody who has either payed their monthly fee or has bought hours within the last month is counted for those month's figures.  So while raw user numbers are highly misleading for purposes of determining revenue generated in Asia, it's fairly accurate if you only want to see how many players have played in the last month.

As for gold farmers, you'd have to be insane or completely ignorant to think there are several million farming accounts.  To begin with, the total number of gold farmers out there numbers in the thousands.  Most of you just have no idea how much gold a single one generates because you think the retarded methods offered in Western golding guides mean something.  Beyond that, gold farming outfits keep the fewest number of accounts possible.  They simply play in shifts.  That minimizes their detection profile and their costs.  They can do this because, in Asia, the game doesn't flag keys or accounts for excessive usage, since that would flag every bang key and most Asian accounts (sharing is a lot more common).  So the actual number of Asian gold farming accounts is actually less than the number of Asian farmers.  It's only Western resellers and botters who maintain multiple accounts.

As for Lineage 2's success, it used to be the biggest MMO out there.  It is no longer.  It also has been blown away by World of Warcraft by now.  I used to compare the two, but that was when WoW was still a lot smaller.  Both Lineage and Lineage 2 peaked at around 2-3 million, and both are on the decline.  Have been for some time.

While I can't prove you wrong with a press release from a company I can say that WoW is NOT the biggest/most popular MMO out there.

WoW is a biggest SUBSCRIPTION based mmo. I don't think anyone will doubt that at the moment. However China itself has an online gamer army of something like 150 million. WoW has what? 10 million? so even if every single subscriber is from china thats only what? 7% on a good day. WoW isn't even in the top 10 for China's online gaming. Thats not including Korean gamers either which is another big hub.

You have to be kidding yourself to think that WoW has the most players in the world.  I think even Maple Story had something like 70 million accounts made. Even if 25% of those are real they beat WoW and have room to spare.

Go look up Zhu Xian or Perfect World II and there a few other big name games over in Asia.

You want to know the exact difference between WAR and WoW?

WAR you login for the purpose of just killing stuff to kill stuff and to take anything they had away. In WoW you login to get loot.

I quit WoW a short while after Naxx came out(felt like I did everything the game had to offer). Then a year and a half later a buddy got me to play WoW again. New server, new character, same crap. I leveled 1-70 and was tired of the same beat ass quests(after hellfire it went downhill quick). I raided a fair bit started with a fresh raiding guild and did up to Hyjal. Took me 2 months to get bored and 4 months to quit.

I won't play that game ever again. They have shown me time and time again that they have no idea what they are doing and to say that I could probably go out and get a degree before they fix certain things would not be an understatment.

WAR has that log in and kill stuff to kill stuff feel of say an FPS. WoW never had that, it was always log in and get loot.

IF WAR doesn't pan out then I will try the agency, Kotor online, or maybe even AION.

Originally posted by Warhamerr

WOW is based off WARCRAFT 3, its a continuity of warcraft 3.

Im in wrath of the lich king beta, the expansion will rock PREPARE FOR A record breaking sales on the  WOW expansion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Start buying activision blizzard stock now!!!!

Depends on when it comes out. If it is after WAR Then I think the "record breaking sales" might be a bit exaggerated. Will it still sell big? Probably since they have a large pool of people to get the sales from. However I think that the exansion/population sales will be down compared to BC.

A lot of people want PvP and no offense but Blizzard has tried many times before to do PvP and has failed. What makes people think they will succeed here? Siege engines! That will probably be driven to a corner of the zone by some idiot. Huge imbalances that existed before the expansion are still there and putting more fuel on the fire with more abilities/levels is not going to help. If Arena STILL houses the best gear then expect the Open world PvP to fail once again. Everything needs to be tied in for the PvP system to work...until they do that expect PvP to always fail in WoW.

The people that will be disappointed with WAR will be the ones that didn't really look into it. Soon as NDA drops you will know all there is to know about the game.

Some people will still play it and upon first character creation go onto a forum and say "WTF wheres the choppa?". Yeah those people. There are plenty of them and the trick is to not listen to anything they say.

Originally posted by DragonMyth88

is having only 512 mb ram bad lol ><

Extremely bad! Course RAM atm is pretty cheap. Think 2gigs of DDR2 is like $50-100

Originally posted by Gazenthia

 

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Originally posted by GreenChaos

 

 A good number of us are in beta could argue with you but we can't.  We could be we can't.
But it sounds to me like you just don't MMORPGs.  How much would it cost to try it?  The price of two dinners?  It's new, many people playing say it's great?  So what not just try it and then judge?  I mean really.

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GreenChaos, be fair.

 

I am pretty sure that it was you who told me "it sounds to me like you just don't MMORPGs" before when I had issues playing AoC. In fact, your entire post seems pulled out of the AoC forums a bit before and after its release.

The OP has very valid points about such things as the classes and the skirmishes, I absolutely see it for myself. I don't believe there is any real meaningful variety in the classes, and the skirmishes look exactly like WoW battlegrounds. All with slightly better graphics, but still.

There might be other aspects that still tip the scale in favor of WAR, and the points may not be as severe or detrimental, but I'm watching from the sidelines this time around.

Meaningful variety in classes? They have pet classes, melee classes, Tanks, Melee healers, Ranged Healers, Casters, Physical ranged, Caster/healers. What more do you want?

Scenarios are like WoW battlegrounds except they are timed and short instead of the 30minute AB/EotS games and hour long WSG games.

There is tons of land to fight over, the battles will never be the same day to day. You wont be taking a city daily...more like montly.

This is a PvP game. There are games like CS that have had the same maps for YEARS and people still play them. You are talking to someone that played AA:O Bridge and then Bridge SE for 2 years straight. The thrill is in the battle, not the surroundings.

Originally posted by Pheace

Mythic themselves have stated that if it isn't at least 6 weeks of open beta you should worry because it means there's stuff to hide :)

I thought MJ said it was 4 weeks. Any less and you should worry and more means they have more confidence.

Originally posted by brihtwulf

I can see where some people would think that WAR isn't all that some fans claim it is.  Here are some of the things you can put on the scale:

Things other MMO's have already done:

• PvP Ranks (WoW to name one)
• PvP Experience
• City Sieges (Shadowbane did this a long time ago)
• Level-based progression (most MMO's)
• Talent Trees (Many MMO's)
• Hybrid Classes (DAoC, AoC, EQ2, and some lesser-known games)
• RvR (DAoC, Regnum, and even WoW.  WAR's RvR is only 2-sided.)
• Questing (most MMO's)

So, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of innovation when it comes to WAR.  Yes, they have Public Quests, and that's a neat idea.  I'll give you that.  But they also don't have some of the things that ARE present in some of the current MMO's; many things players consider to add to the gameplay or immersion.

What WAR doesn't have:

• Reactionary skills (such as in LotRO)
• Player Housing
• Player Cities
• Developed system for crafters (not that I'm aware of anyway)
• Non-combat activities (fishing, gardening, etc.)
• Characters integrated into the storyline (as in FFXI or LotRO)

Now, I know that some details can't be given away without breaking the NDA, but what can anyone offer that WAR has which makes it more than just another fantasy clone with a different coat of paint?  I look forward to the open beta when I can see for myself how the "fun" factor really plays out.  But for now I don't see them doing anything impressive.

1. Reactionary Skills- Generaly awful in MMO's due to ping/lag but for the sake of argument we will have to wait for NDA

2. Player Housing doesn't work to well in the way the game is designed. Your home is your city so defend it. I will be the first to say that in other games Player housing can be really important or a really awesome thing but I don't see it fitting into WAR.

3. Player cities- Again its RvR so giving people cities to defend detracts from then defending the realm city. Not to mention you need to carve out a huge plot of landscape to put these things on. Again good idea in other games but doesn't fit in the RvR WAR design.

4. It has a crafting system. The crafts are used specifically for RvR and there isn't professions that will be sidlined or be completely useless. Crafting isn't the focus of the game though so if you expect that go play something else.

5. Noncombat activities- This is WAR...there is no non combat activities. If you want to pick flowers or go fishing then do it in another game because WAR is about killing things.

6. Characters in the storyline you will have to explain a bit further. The entire story of WAR is to kill your enemy. I don't quite know how you can integrate the players into the storyline.

I think people are trying to place hopes in WAR for things they shouldn't. If you like PvP, RvR, killing stuff, and large battles then WAR is probably the game for you. If you like crafting, a 3d chat room, player housing to decorate, etc then WAR is not for you. I don't like people picking at a game for things that were never meant for the game to begin with. I mean its like condemning your game console because it can't make hot cocoa. It was never meant to and thinking it was going to is just stupid.

Originally posted by Pepsipwnzgod

Originally posted by Servase

Originally posted by Pepsipwnzgod

Originally posted by jerlot65

Originally posted by Pepsipwnzgod

Originally posted by Crnobog

Think the OP has gone to level up his Paladin.

 

 

sorry i dont regularly update my signature on game forums =(

 

Everyone calling you on your BS and you quote that guy. WTTroll...

 

Calling me on my BS? an opinion on a game that was clearly stated as an opinion that the game will be bad? QFT and GTFO bro, the game will be shit because it will be generic because everything that it's "implementing" has been done 400 times over and stuffed in the ass of each cow that's pre-subscribing for the epic awesome leet pack. the game is bad because it's old before it even came out.

 

Dude, that's not an opinion. You're clearly trolling and bashing war. An opinion would mean you actually know something about the game and have a different view than what the average person does. On top of that, you back up this opinion with actual evidence and facts.

All you're doing is bashing the game because YOU like WoW more than WAR. You don't have any actual facts. Everything you say is untrue and you are clearly a WoW fanboy. You're opinion is biased at best.

Go back to WoW if you don't want to play WAR. OR, read up on WAR, come back and give us your opinion/statement and back it up with facts and truth. I don't mind someone having a negative view on the game as long as they have facts to prove their arguement. Not everyone will, or has to like WAR. But don't bash something you know nothing of.

 

 

let's play a game called READ THE F*CKING THREAD, FFS U SEE WARNING DISSING WAR AND YOU DONT READ PAST, wtf is with you people, read the freaking post for what it is and then go back to the thrusting of basement time merryment

I read your entire post and there is nothing of ANY substance in it. You need to make a point and not spew random thoughts that turn into a big ball of stupidity.

You mention grinding but you obviously have no idea about WAR or RvR. The fun in WAR is in the RvR. To be on a battlefield fighting is fun. You say that fighting for control of 10 of 15 zones(assuming 5 in EvC and 5 more in another zone) to unlock the city siege is going to be a grind...I say its going to be fun that takes months to accomplish. You won't be doing the same things constantly the warfront will move daily and the battles will always change.

PvP ranks are meant to be something that you earn as you PvP and have fun....not something to be grinded.

Some classes will be more popular is another idea you put out there saying the game will be bad but you give no point. Classes will balance out and some will always be more popular no matter what the game is.

If you want to bring up PvE in an RvR game then by all means. It is an RvR game and I would never expect the PvE to be ground breaking.

So go back and think up some new ideas and this time try to make points with them besides "Its going to be a grinder!" with no evidence to back it up.

Originally posted by grimfall

Just out of curiosity I just played WoW and discovered.

1. It doesn't have a GCD (which is stupid term anyway, it makes it sound like if one person uses a skill everyone has to wait for a his cooldown).

2. The cooldown it does have is closer to 2 seconds than 1.5.

WoWs global cooldown is actually supposed to be something like 1.42 but lag puts it up passed 1.5. Also WTH  "it doesn't have a GCD" and "the cooldown it does have" there is a contradiction there.

Global cooldown is referencing the fact that the cooldown is on almost every skill for every character.

Most of the things that may look like beta leaks are really information that is out there and available for those who look for it. How PQ's work, how a class plays, etc etc. Many people do big write ups about what they experience at just gamesdays. You don't need a beta leak to get 99% of the information you want.

As for saying you like the game while in beta. I think that is more of a subjective thing that really has little to do with the beta. Now if you were to say I like the beta because X mechanic or Class Y then you would be disclosing information about the game and thus breaking the NDA.

As for the who "Good" beta tester? LOL. A good beta tester plays the game. A great beta tester players the game and reports the hard to find bugs. Devs have many tools monitoring beta to find out what quests get dropped, how long they take, what abilities get used the most, what areas don't get used, what classes don't get played, etc etc. By simply playing the game be it for testing or trying the game out you are helping the devs more then you know. Most of the big bugs in a game can be found by 100 people or less however the huge amounts of data that devs want can only be generated by having a lot of people play it. Seriously have you beta tested any games recently? They all have quick surveys that pop up and give basic feedback. They are hard to miss and give the devs tons of information. IMO you need to get off your high horse and quit being jealous. The only bad beta tester is one that never logs into the game and when that happens they get replaced.

Originally posted by Vicksburg

Originally posted by Majinash

I just have to point out again that vick says that people will only pay for a grind, not for fun.  thats right, people don't want "fun" in their game, they want to grind for gear.

 

honestly how can anyone say that and not shoot themselves?  a game needs less fun and more grind in order to be good.

 

This... this just blows my mind, that anyone would even pretend to think that way. "no way guys, that game has way too much fun, people won't pay to PLAY a game, they want to run the same dungons/BGs ect over and over to get their tier 56 gear, and thats the only reason people pay for MMOs"

 

gah, I need to go put some salt in an open wound or something.

You say: Wow is pure grind.
 

I SAY WOW is pure fun tuning your character.

And as there are more than 10 million players having FUN in tuning your character in Wow, it shows it succeeds.

You make a definition of GRIND, while all players of Wow who like it know the grind in Wow is very limited, because tuning your character in acquiring gear is NOT grind