Originally posted by Rayshe

Snip!!

Yeah but if they're not going though with the idea it's a win for consumers like myself (many of my titles are second hand) and merchants who deal heavily in second hand games. 

Your preaching to the choir. all my games are second hand. as i said before, i'm poor.  Luckily we don't have to worry about it, since used games are not going to be blocked on console.

 

However, i just thought about it. It does make me wonder about this whole installation thing. if i let my friend borrow my game, i lose the ability to play the installed version right, its pretty much the way they said it. how much do i have to go though afterwards to play it again. do i have to do the entire install again? anyone who owns a PS3 can tell how much of a pain in the ass this would be.

From what is being said you won't need the disc for your installed games and will have the ability to re-download them at any time. As for friends borrowing them I did read somewhere that they will be able to digitally purchase rights to the borrowed game rather than purchase and fresh install a new copy. So I wouldn't think that lending a game would stop you from playing it anytime you want.

Originally posted by Rayshe

Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

Originally posted by Cochran1

Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

So far it's confirmed my decision to stick to PS4 / PC. I have all systems now, but my 360 sees no use outside the occasional Gears game with my bro-in-law, and my Wii collects dust. PS3 definitely sees the most use.

Beyond that, I'm hoping Sony does not pull a "fee for used games" move, especially not attaching a game disc to one account. It already annoys me that save games are tied to an account, so when I've tried to continue a save game at my work's PS3 during down time, I get c-blocked by that crud. If they do move to the same measure of tying the entire game to a profile, I'll skip PS4 as well. Luckily there's been no word of that.

Actually the second hand games rumor has been updated http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/05/xbox-one-will-have-a-pre-owned-game-fee-to-curb-used-game-sales/  

Update: Xbox support on Twitter has confirmed that there would be “no fee” associated with used games. Apparently there was a previous miscommunication with Wired:

That's great. I don't buy used games, but I've always been under the impression that the second hand market directly aids the first hand market, so I've never agreed to this ideology that used games should be blocked.

Having said that, the main issue for me personally is still tying the disc to the profile/account (as I mentioned taking my games to my work consoles to play on, which use a separate profile/account). No fee is still great news no matter which way you slice it, though!

My curiosity though is simple. If my games are being tied to my account, and my account is transferable. Would i then in theory be able to transfer my account to be on 2 consoles. And if that is possible with things like Cloud could i then do the same with lets say... my save data.

 

If this is possible it would win points in my eyes.

I haven't found any info on that, and I must say I'm curious about it now too. I would like to see that happen.

Originally posted by Rayshe

Originally posted by Cochran1

Originally posted by Rayshe

Originally posted by Cochran1

Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

So far it's confirmed my decision to stick to PS4 / PC. I have all systems now, but my 360 sees no use outside the occasional Gears game with my bro-in-law, and my Wii collects dust. PS3 definitely sees the most use.

Beyond that, I'm hoping Sony does not pull a "fee for used games" move, especially not attaching a game disc to one account. It already annoys me that save games are tied to an account, so when I've tried to continue a save game at my work's PS3 during down time, I get c-blocked by that crud. If they do move to the same measure of tying the entire game to a profile, I'll skip PS4 as well. Luckily there's been no word of that.

Actually the second hand games rumor has been updated http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/05/xbox-one-will-have-a-pre-owned-game-fee-to-curb-used-game-sales/  

Update: Xbox support on Twitter has confirmed that there would be “no fee” associated with used games. Apparently there was a previous miscommunication with Wired:

 

 

Reading it over. it sounds more to me like they pulled a "holy shit they REALLY dont like that idea... eh... eh... Miscommunication go go!!"

Well it seemed fishy to me because most were saying it would work by tying the disc to the user account, that is exactly what sony patented http://www.gamespot.com/news/sony-patents-tech-to-block-used-games-6401992. As at odds competitively as the two companies are, I find it hard to believe that Microsoft swallowed their pride and paid sony for the rights to use the tech.

 

I don't. think of it this way. you invent something that other people really hate so you decide not to use it. your competition steps up and goes "that's awesome sell it to us" What do you do, tell them how bad the reaction was and make it possible that they can get a leg up on you. or sell it to them and walk away laughing.

 

Or if they didnt buy it, looked at the idea and made their own version.

Yeah but if they're not going though with the idea it's a win for consumers like myself (many of my titles are second hand) and merchants who deal heavily in second hand games. 

Originally posted by Rayshe

Originally posted by Cochran1

Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

So far it's confirmed my decision to stick to PS4 / PC. I have all systems now, but my 360 sees no use outside the occasional Gears game with my bro-in-law, and my Wii collects dust. PS3 definitely sees the most use.

Beyond that, I'm hoping Sony does not pull a "fee for used games" move, especially not attaching a game disc to one account. It already annoys me that save games are tied to an account, so when I've tried to continue a save game at my work's PS3 during down time, I get c-blocked by that crud. If they do move to the same measure of tying the entire game to a profile, I'll skip PS4 as well. Luckily there's been no word of that.

Actually the second hand games rumor has been updated http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/05/xbox-one-will-have-a-pre-owned-game-fee-to-curb-used-game-sales/  

Update: Xbox support on Twitter has confirmed that there would be “no fee” associated with used games. Apparently there was a previous miscommunication with Wired:

 

 

Reading it over. it sounds more to me like they pulled a "holy shit they REALLY dont like that idea... eh... eh... Miscommunication go go!!"

Well it seemed fishy to me because most were saying it would work by tying the disc to the user account, that is exactly what sony patented http://www.gamespot.com/news/sony-patents-tech-to-block-used-games-6401992. As at odds competitively as the two companies are, I find it hard to believe that Microsoft swallowed their pride and paid sony for the rights to use the tech.

Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

So far it's confirmed my decision to stick to PS4 / PC. I have all systems now, but my 360 sees no use outside the occasional Gears game with my bro-in-law, and my Wii collects dust. PS3 definitely sees the most use.

Beyond that, I'm hoping Sony does not pull a "fee for used games" move, especially not attaching a game disc to one account. It already annoys me that save games are tied to an account, so when I've tried to continue a save game at my work's PS3 during down time, I get c-blocked by that crud. If they do move to the same measure of tying the entire game to a profile, I'll skip PS4 as well. Luckily there's been no word of that.

Actually the second hand games rumor has been updated http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/05/xbox-one-will-have-a-pre-owned-game-fee-to-curb-used-game-sales/  

Update: Xbox support on Twitter has confirmed that there would be “no fee” associated with used games. Apparently there was a previous miscommunication with Wired:

Originally posted by Grailer

Almost 70%+ want server wipe and all they did was ban a few people for 72 hours . The economy is still destroyed .

 

I can't see how I can play in a game where I know some players have a huge unfair advantage over others because the AH is really the main end game and will take months to recover .

 

So I quit .

 

 

I hope you at least left a big steaming pile on the boss's desk before you stormed out. 

Good read, I can't wait for the next beta phase. The game seems to be shaping up nicely over the dark cloud of 1.0.

....oh yeah, tanks FTW!!!!

Kickstarter doesn't equal socialism. For that to be true the projects would have to be under some form of social ownership meaning the collective that contributes would be entitled to an equal share of the project itself and any profits that come from it. It's actually closer to preemptive consumerism since the backers only really get a chance to receive a product or service from the project. In some cases they're only allowed to purchase the product or service after the project is completed. 

Originally posted by Madimorga
I just log in and goof off and do dailies because there is no sub fee.  I don't see other players much except in Lion's Arch.  I expect when Rift goes free Guild Wars 2 will empty out even more, at least for awhile.  Then some players might drift back.  Honestly for me the shiny on this game wore off when I realized that they didn't mean what they said about play your way.  Too many disadvantages to not teaming.  Like loot drops and of course those silly grindy endgame fractal things.

The game wore thin for me when I realized their innovation for a quest less experience included doing things for NPCs that they normally should have to do themselves, like watering their crops, feeding their cows, and cleaning graffiti off their building walls. Tasks that seem to me to be very lazy development.  Not to mention that this dynamic content meant for the public world are dreadfully easy compared to parts of the personal story.

Originally posted by DamonVile

I think it's a great feature in any mmo. While I do like to see people running around the world with me, the most imersion breaking aspect of any mmo is waiting in line to kill the big bad guy. How is he the bad guy when he's only alive for 5-10 seconds at a time ? what could he do in that time that makes him so bad ?

In an instanced zone I can switch channels and fight him the way he should be...spanwed and walking around being the bad guy.

 The most baffling mindset to me is waiting in line to kill an NPC. If I see others who appear to be after the same NPC I'm after, I invite them to group so we can all kill it together. Makes for a lot less standing in line and plays to immersion much better. This mindset is much of the reason for all solo open world quests, personal instances, and phasing. Anti social behavior seems to have established a large presence in MMO gaming, and is growing more abundant as time goes by.

Originally posted by lathaan
you americans ^^ you love to shoot stuff, but you arent quite into the joys of life, are you?

 You do realise there are cultures in this world WAY more assertive against sex and nudity than standard secular American culture. Yet you try to generalize based on your own narrow minded views of what the world is. I take it you've never spent anytime engrossed in the secular culture of the states, because it's no where near as prudish as you choose to believe.

Originally posted by Alber_gamer

If after 100 years humans like Wulfgar and Catti-brie were alive, I would not take Forgotten Realms seriously anymore. Elminster was what, 1200+ years old? Yeah, choose me too, Mystra.

 

There is something that always happens with every popular setting tho. Star Wars, Star Trek, Stargate (haha that's a lot of Stars), etc. Recently it's also happening in videogames. World of Warcraft, Mass Effect, The Witcher... it just needs to be popular enough.

 

At some point, the fans of a setting feel entitled to decide themselves how the lore and the events of the setting should develop, and what should be the outcome of every major situation. More often than not, this is because the fans can't get over the fact that some important character is dying, or disappearing forever. Or simply because the outcome of some conflict wasn't as wonderful and happy as they would have wanted.

 

This self-entitlement is going to destroy the art of writing and telling stories, as writers see themselves almost under the obligation of pleasing the rabid masses, afraid to lose too many fans and lose monetary support to keep creating stories. They sell their artistic integrity just to please entitled whiners, because money moves the world, and they need it, even at the cost of giving up on their principles. Also known as "fanservice".

 

What not many people get to notice is that it's the writers who are talented at writing stories and who make those stories worth experiencing, not the dumb morons that got nothing to do but play videgames at their 30 years old while still living with mom.

 I've found that many have attached themselves to these Heroes to the point that they roll their characters to emulate them. The game has always been about developing your own unique hero and building his or her story. That's how we came to know many of these famous heroes, someone rolled them and played their stotry out and decided to take it a step further by writing fan fiction based around those characters.

There are probably less people trying to submit fan fiction these days, which leaves us with the same authors writing about the same characters. If they continue the story and timeline we are bound to see these characters stories come to and end at some point.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Warjin

We live in sad, sad time people, very sad lol.

Well, that's one point of view. This is not my sort of game but I say "go kids, have fun and someday you will have the real thing".

Also "I know porn and this is not porn".

 Yeah play a little on the game here and there, and find the anatomy proportions to be quite comical at times not sexual.

To touch on what Sovrath said, this is not even close to the softest core porn. The ability to unlock optional nudity is no worse than what a kid can see by signing up to art websites like Deviant Art.