Originally posted by Antipathy

Originally posted by sanicek

And as for pala pulling, protection specced palas have actually probably the best ranged pulling attack available.

Enlighten me - I'm not entirely sure what you're describing. How long is the attacks range?

I wouldn't claim to be a paladin expert and am just going by how I've seen other characters play.

Just a quick few sentences, yes I know druids can ressurect, but once every 30 minutes and with reagent is pretty limited.

As for buffing, most classes have some kind of powerfull unique buff in addition to their repertoire, but paladin and shaman are two classes that actually specialize in wide variety of buffs so their role is also in this, properly selected totem or blessings and aura for each fight can make huge difference.

Out of combat roles, yes, mages conjuring food, providing portals, locks healthstones and summoning, hunters aspect of the cheetah, tracking, rogue opening locked stuff, sneak activation of stuff, paladin mount aura, lock/shaman underwater breathing, water walking, feather fall, etc.. also the not exactly combat options of wipe-prevention and recovery, reincarnation, soulstones, divine intervention.

And as for pala pulling, protection specced palas have actually probably the best ranged pulling attack available.

Researched guide... aka... 2nd hand info?

How long do you actually play the game, how many chars you tried (tried = experienced endgame with) ?

Post-BC protection paladins are tanks on equal footing with warriors and druids. For multimob tanking they are actually the best alternative out there.

Healers - any of the 4 healing capable classes can serve as main healer. A holy specced paladin or resto shaman are equally good healers as priests and druids and perfectly capable of mainhealing instances. Actually shaman or paladin might be preferable before druid in case you have only one slot available because they can ressurect.

DD - any class can serve as damage dealer with the right spec. Multirole classes all have at least one DD talent tree and for the DD classes the trees are just flavors of how to do the damage. Shadow priests, retri paladins, moonkin druids, arms warriors are also fully capable damage dealers and tbh I have no idea why you list only one spec of warlock as DPS, what role do you expect the other 2 specs will perform? Demonology and affliction locks are equaly good damage dealers.

There are some other strange mentions, like mentioning healers drawing agro in the offtank sectio, um the dps classes are much more concerned with this, any tank that cant keep mobs off the healers by properly getting sufficient agro on each to prevent loosing them to just the healing generated agro is a joke. Offtanks are only necessary where the mobs are powerfull enough that they cant be tanked in multiples by one char.  Another strange thing, an offtank that can heal himself? You can tank or heal, you cant do both at the same time, you cant expect a shaman or paladin to heal themselves while tanking a mob.

You also altogether skipped 3 role categories, crowd control, buffing and out of combat support.

Anyway, good attempt, I can give you that, but needs some work still.

Originally posted by Rehmes

Originally posted by sanicek
Click to move moves you in a straight line from point A to point B. Any maneuvering during combat is practically disabled, 2 toons stay next to each other and whack (or shoot flashy stuff over distance). Stuff like fast reactions, hand-eye coordination and good controls dont matter there. WASD brings at least a bit of this to combat and differences in skill are more apparent. I was considered a very skilled player while playing WoW, I guess also due to using fluid movement during combat (I played hunter and shaman, both classes with focus on instant attacks that allow you to be constantly in motion and "kite" enemies, in melee and closer range often circle-strafing enemies causing their spells and attacks to fail due to me as target not standing in front of the victim at the time it triggered).

 Personally I will never again touch even MMO where there is autolock on target and autoattack, grew tired of that also, looking forward to AoC and Huxley. The only time I would consider point and click again would be only if it wasnt in mmo with the gear and grind centric model full of timesinks where the person with more free time has advantage in game.

I understand what you mean, but WoW also employs auto-lock so if someone activates a skill before you move or at the right time you will get hit regardless. I played L2 for 2 yrs and even there it people were capable to do what you have stated. If you move at the right time you can move beyond skill range thus avoiding a hit...but once the person reaches you again itl connect.

Ofc it does take skill to move at the right time and know ahead of time what your oponent is going to do, but in the end im still not sure why people dislike click to move so much, cuz in the end the basis of the game controls (auto-lock) disables any advantage that WASD would bring to the table because skills will still connect.

Personnaly i dont mind what type of controls a game has unless ofc its more of fps style in which WASD is a must, but for ANY auto-lock game i dont care much wether its lick to move or WASD.

Originally posted by Shoal
One where the Caps only worked on the first letter of a word, at the most.

qft :)

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