Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Well I appreciate that, sorry I used the wrong spelling lol watchi9ng Jeff Dunhams Christmas  special while typing lol.

I will return the favor though, your reply is what is commonly reffered to as a last ditch effort to save face.

 Edited to add: Seems like we are getting no update on this today, it is thanksgiving after all so understandable. Anyways hope MMORPG.com does clear this up one way or another.

Got some more time, so here you go - the words "mute" and "moot" are completely different words, with different meanings.  You did not misspell anything, you used the wrong word. 

Last ditch effort to save face?  If that makes you feel better.  I am confident those that matter understood my points, and if you dont, I can live with it. 

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

In any case Aventurine did not show him the full game just a demo version. They also did not give him any more information than they were willing to share at the time. The information he shared was information Aventurine intended to release. And yet I am the one that is dense lol.

NDA coverd material wasn't shared, the NDA was not breached and Yellowbeard was not under the NDA because there was no need for him to be. This is a mute point.

The two visitors were and are under the restrictions of the NDA.  I am wondering if you may be dense or inexperienced or simply arguementative.

You shared an opinion, I shared facts that directly contradicted your opinion. You still are trying to hold fast to your opinion so I guess further discussion is mute as well.

The answer of them being to buisy at the moment is just my opinion with nothing to back it up. That you can take merely as my opinion. Yours on this matter is just as valid because I have absolutely nothing to back it up. While I do think it is a reasonable assumption that they are a bit to buisy at the moment I do not make the assumption this is fact and will willingly accept evidence to the contrary, A valid counter arguement is the fact they are willing to do on site preview and reviews for media. This is a good point but not enough to directly refute my opinion but it helps support  a view opposite of mine.

The word you are looking for is: moot.  No time or inclination for further education, but I hope that helps get you started.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Sadly they did not lift the NDA for this review hence why the information is limited to general impressions and personal opinions on the game. Screenshots allowed were limited. Vid was limited. If the NDA was lifted then they could have posted all that they had, they even made a mistake and posted a SS they weren't allowed to post yet and had to remove it lol.

Sorry my friend you are wrong about the NDA, Yellowbeard as well was allowed to disclose information he was approved to disclose and nothing more. Sorry NDA is and has been in effect and has not been lifted. I hope this has helped you understand that a bit better.

 

In the end yes we agree that Aventurine is doing as they choose, which is what most companies do lol so I don't get your point on that.

Edited to address your edit: This brings us right back to my original response. Sorry you made an assumtion that was proved wrong. It's ok it happens lol. The NDA was not lifted the statements made by Tasos reflect this as do the actions and the info released. Try again if you like.

 

As far as why they have stopped talking to the gaming sites and such I would imagine this close to there intended open beta date and launch date they are a bit buisy. But I guess this to is an outlandish assumption on my part and makes me just a DF sympathiser lol.

Where is that "beat your head against the wall" icon? 

Yellowbeard did not have to agree to any NDA, so he can say whatever he wants, whenever he wants.  The NDA for those that agreed to it, is still in effect, freaking duh!  And yet an article was written - breach of NDA!  Oh wait, Aventurine allowed that to happen, some might even say they lifted the NDA on these guys for a few hours...(impressions and personal opinions is likely ALL they had in the short time they were allowed to play - which is also covered by the NDA anyhow)

Honestly, I cant decide if you are dense, inexperienced, or just being argumentative.  In any case, further discussion appears pointless.   I will accept your answer - they are too busy to talk to media.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

"We have not lifted the NDA, we have only allowed them access for their review, but not to answer questions after this is out."

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=83013 <--- Source.

Research is your friend lol.

You are right it is there choice and they clearly stated what that choice is.

 Edited to add: To clarify it a bit for you, the visitors that did not sign the NDA played a Demo version that was originaly made for conventions and such. 

http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/3327-Darkfall-Developer-Journal-5-A-Look-Under-The-Hood

Check the link above it's the Darkfall Limited Demo Server Gameplay Document

Good lord...you DF apologists are maddening.  Right there it tells you that they allowed the article to be written (they lifted the NDA for the article) but they are making it clear that everyone else is still not allowed to talk and nothing else is allowed beyond what the article covered.  Yellowbeard gave significant info - including the NA launch would likely be delayed - whether he played the demo or not.

So, in the end, we both agree that Aventurine chooses to keep silent.  Good, that is progress! 

EDIT:  Unfortunately, this brings us right back to my original statement, which I will post again for your convenience:

Ghost - Aventurine can do whatever they want with their NDA, as evidenced by lifting the NDA for fan visits and MMORPGitalia. Really, it does not make any sense to turn down free publicity from the mainstream gaming media when your feature-complete and pro-tested game is set to launch within a month. To totally ignore inquiries from a site like TTH is where the logic breaks down, IMO.

Aventurine had no problems talking to MMORPG, TTH, Warcry, and IGN when their game wasnt ready. So now that their game apparently is ready, they stop talking to the big boys? 
 

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Problem with this is the NDA wasn't lifted for those you said it was lifted for. They had to agree and adhere to the NDA and must continue to do so until it is lifted.

Again what would an interview do besides reitterate the same stuff? With the NDA still there not much we don't know if anything we don't already know will surfice. Sorry I am just making a reasonable assumption here.

The offer extended is to go there test the beta and write a review sounds better than an interview to me.

Tasos: "The people who have been here may or may not write about their visit, we didn't make them sign NDAs and we showed them the game."

OK...that is what Tasos said about the visitors writing about their impressions.  And clearly, they lifted the NDA for the MMORPGItalia info to be released.

You dont get it...the NDA is Aventurine's choice.  You make it sound like they have their hands tied!  They can do whatever they want.  Their choice for silence this close to release does not compute if they dont have anything to hide.  While there might be a reason to keep the NDA enforced, I cant think of a good one that would not include significant problems - and Aventurine claims they dont have any significant problems and are still on track.

Ghost - Aventurine can do whatever they want with their NDA, as evidenced by lifting the NDA for fan visits and MMORPGitalia. Really, it does not make any sense to turn down free publicity from the mainstream gaming media when your feature-complete and pro-tested game is set to launch within a month. To totally ignore inquiries from a site like TTH is where the logic breaks down, IMO.

Aventurine had no problems talking to MMORPG, TTH, Warcry, and IGN when their game wasnt ready. So now that their game apparently is ready, they stop talking to the big boys?  
 

The OP made no threats to Santa!  However, that Vinny...I heard him talking smack last night, and he might not be able to restrain himself until xmas.  Just saying.

Well, considering their article was not much - and we have yet to see the "real" one, I expect that this IS the video.  Meh.

Aventurine is tough to figure out, they do seem to march to the beat of their own drummer.  I guess you could say that no pre-orders is a sign of confidence.  Of course, if I had a feature complete, professionally tested game that was about a month from release, I would drop the NDA and let the testers spread the good word - while proudly taking preorders.  I have yet to see a really good game when the NDA was enforced right up to the last minute.

So there ya go...signs of confidence and signs of uncertainty.  That is Aventurine in a nutshell.

Originally posted by ZtyX

NICE!

 

 

And NICE that you help us now when its up =) I been waiting for ths

  Hey...it just struck me...you are ZtyX of Wessex?  If so, formal greetings from a member of the Hundred.

Thanks for sharing, looks legit to me.   At least confirms what was expected.  If Darkfall launches in Europe late December, that would put the NA launch weeks later, as we were told.  Of course, this all hinges on no significant problems during play/load testing, and that is a hurdle yet to be cleared.

Originally posted by Aragon100

Your wrong. Theres been numerous of threads on this and the facts about a 5 year old one game by far exceeds the 7 year theory.

Now you are just making stuff up.  Some choose to believe that upgrades/enhancements make the game "new", some think that is part of dev.  I think it is the same game, afterall we are not waiting for "Darkfall Redux", we are still waiting for Darkfall. 

Anyway, according to the Greek News team that interviewed Aventurine, the game is SIX YEARS old.  There, a compromise!

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/283644.html

Originally posted by EndDream

speaking of trolls... they should be here already..

As I mentioned, you guys are doing fine without any trolls.  Most of the hardcore fans are on anti-troll autopilot, it would seem.  Except for MC - he doesnt see it, but thats cool. 

I think Kyleran has a pretty good list there. 

Originally posted by mcpoopypantz

Originally posted by Theodgrim

Originally posted by Makestro

For you to feed them. :P

 

The funny thing is, no trolls are even necessary to set these guys off.  It does appear like they are trying to attract a few though...

 

I dont see anyone getting "set off"
 

 

If you dont see it, fine, I will just accept that answer and we can both move on. 

Originally posted by Makestro

For you to feed them. :P

The funny thing is, no trolls are even necessary to set these guys off.  It does appear like they are trying to attract a few though...

Originally posted by downtoearth

actully i object alot of things but i just dont voice it lol.

honestly i wouldnt even post bearly if people didnt point fingures all the time at  tasos. 

As long as they dont charge money i dont care what they do.

Defend what i defend DF from people liek tenspotting and all his alt accounts he has

acken can push it pol i dont mind so much.

i dont disagree on everything oyu say . ive agreed on releas enot happening this year but i just stick it to it mite lets see what happens.

maybe they think there still on schedule but if theya re goign ot have to delay theys hould say something. But can iwe force themt os ay something NO so why waiste the time QQ about it
 

Holy crap!  It can talk in more than one sentence!   

Just messing with ya, but, it was really nice to see you write a paragraph.  Well done!  While I dont agree with the first half, the second half seems pretty reasonable.   Haters and fanboys coming together... I love you, man!  

If this is the best we are going to get, then I guess I will just have to wait until open beta or even release.  Will we ever get any end-game/advanced feature info in the time we have left?  And until the server gets loaded during open beta, my performance questions will also go unanswered. 

Hey, I believe they have a game already.  We need red meat!

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by Theodgrim

TF2 will always be vapor to me, just another "could have been".

 

I get that you stopped playing shooters...but how is TF2 always going to be vapor to you?   Just proves that the term vapor is just tossed around loosely.

Sorry buy a company delaying the game to make it better is not vapor.

Of course TF2 released.  Sorry I waxed a little poetic back there.  But my point is that these things do have a shelf life, at least to individuals.  Things can change for you in 10 years time.   

Aventurine's biggest f-up can be traced to the point they took control of DF in 2002/2003.  They knew the game wasnt worthy, and knew it needed significant upgrades/enhancements.  If they had just TOLD us they were going to take some serious time to make the game right, I would have cut them more slack.  If they had said in 2006, the game just isnt ready for the clan beta we announced in late 2005, I would have given them points for integrity. (yeah, I still would have been pissed)  They have done a very poor job managing thier game.  I hope they code much better, because their ideas have always been great.

I played TF (and other team shooters) heavily for many years, and waited long for TF2.  Eventually, I just got to the point where I didnt play team shooters anymore.  TF2 will always be vapor to me, just another "could have been".

Originally posted by downtoearth

and also why these same people ask for more updates on df. they call them liars after they start to do more updates

No, they call them liars when the updates are misleading.  My biggest problem with Aventurine is that they refuse to give out "bad news".  Part of being honest, is telling it like it IS, not like how you hope it will be.  That includes informing us of setbacks or changes to plans in a timely manner.  If Aventurine had just come out and said "we are enhancing/expanding" the game in 2003, or in early 2006 explained to us why the clan beta was scrapped, it would have gone a long ways toward maintaining their credibility.  After all these years of half-truths, it is no wonder that some call them liars.