Xris - Not to be argumentative, but the way I see it, those promises are no more substantial than any other hope/wish/plan/intention these devs have layed out.  To date, they have been unable to walk their talk.  Why would I believe this claim would be different, unless I invoke faith? 

How about Roma Victor?  A sandbox game developed by a small dev team.  You can download and play it right now!   Want a list of features?   http://www.roma-victor.com/sotw

Now...before anyone gets too excited...keep in mind that while this game was "feature complete" at launch, some of those features have yet to be "enabled" in game even 2 years after release.  I suspect most folks would find the reality of the game doesnt hold up to its..."potential".  You have been warned.

A little more on subject: yes, I am annoyed by the appraoch the Darkfall devs are taking.  I have been there before, and not just with Roma Victor.  When I was playing WWIIOL, I heard the word "soon" so often, I no longer understand the meaning of the word!  The fact that Adventurine doesnt want to show anything at this point in development and their obvious fear of NDA-breakers, indicates the game isnt inspiring confidence.  Granted, this proves nothing, but if you have been around the block a few times it might give you hint.  Lower expectations, and you wont be disappointed. 

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by downtoearth

plenty of proof in my book espiccly when  youc an get ahold of osme of the out sourced guys that worked on darkfall

You can? Well, what are you waiting for? Git 'er done!!

Dont get yer hopes up.  Word on the street is that they are holding out for a movie-deal.

So, the news is that they are using bots and "professional testers",  thinking this is a good thing?  They will be in for a rude awakening if actual gamers start testing, as they dont follow scripts or punch a time clock.  This journal is just another reason to tone down expectations, IMO. 

Just go to the first page of this very forum, and browse the topics dated 3 years ago!  Nothing has changed.  Claims of vaporware were rampant, and of course, folks denied it.   Closed beta was "just around the corner" then, as it apparently still is...

I recall getting very excited back in Nov/Dec of 2005.  The devs were going to start the "clan beta" of Darkfall.  I was a member of one clan that recieved an invitation.  My name/email/info was submitted along with the others.  And...yeah.

So I wonder - at what point would these forums cease to serve the best interests of the MMORPG fan?   IMO, we passed that point some time ago. 

So, has it been all that you hoped for?  The game has moved steadily away from the level of PvP it had in earlier times, and now seems to be a refuge of the crafter, socializer, and pwner of NPC bandits/varmits. 

Some said the PvP, drama, and politics of the past harmed the game.  Is it better now?  Really, I am curious.

Originally posted by Vhaln

Originally posted by Theodgrim

It is very simple.  The NDA was lifted because the game is polished and in excellent shape, right now.

That in itself is not a reason to lift an NDA. Unless you think NDAs are only used to hide flaws.

It is very simple.  The NDA was lifted because the game is polished and in excellent shape, right now.  By most MMO standards these days, this game would have been released weeks, or even months, ago.

Now, some folks wont like it.  But it wont be because the game crashes frequently, has poor performance, looks crappy, or lacks content.  It just wont be the type of game they are looking for, and that is to be expected.  Different strokes for different folks.

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Originally posted by Luzario
I remember when the game first came out I tried it for a week but the lag was horrible and I couldn't do anyything in game. 

How is the lag now? Is there any?

How is PVP?

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Most of the "global lag" is gone.  There are still some intermittent delays from the server during object creation type activities, but for the most part, you can play the game reasonably well.  PvP?  Well, that is an issue still.  You can fight small skirmishes.  But larger battles - especially in enemy controlled areas - are still going to cause significant issues, primarily server lag/tracking problems and potential client crashes.

If you are willing to allow for some glitches and understand that this is a sandbox, the game is playable and fun.  If you are mostly interested in large scale PvP, or expect a more polished product, best to keep waiting.

Virtus, knock it off.  Kanoth asked a question - I answered it with what I wanted fixed.  You know I have been playing since beta.  You know the problems that I mention are a serious issue and have been for a long, long time.  You know I have been complaining about it since gamma, and even organised testing in the game to help the devs get a handle on the problem. 

I dont care if Kanoth answers me.  I dont need any more talk.  I would like to see fixes.

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Originally posted by Kanoth
Is there something particular you're waiting to be fixed?  I'm not aware of any persistant show stoppers in game right now.  Unless you mean you're waiting for some new features.

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I want you to fix the server-side lag/tracking issues, especially as they relate to combat.  Severe server lag and/or tracking issues have been a boil in the butt of any RV combat character since time began, and still are to this day.  This is a serious issue that still needs serious attention.