All Posts by Recant

Just because WoW's art has a hand-drawn style, that doesn't make it "kiddie".  If you're avoiding the game for this reason, I think you're missing out.  This is certainly a barrier to a lot of people who crave more realistic graphics, and for some people it might be too much of a barrier, but honestly it really isn't that bad. 

I came from EQ which despite being old actually seems more realistic than WoW, but you do learn to appreciate the art style, even love it.  The geography and layout of the world is really beautiful, especially some of the foresty areas.  Once you've become accustomed to the graphics, you'll find many beautiful places to visit.  The seamless world has a very 'epic' feel.

Don't discount it as a kiddie cartoon, you really are being unfair to the game, even if it's not to your personal preference.

Most pilots in EVE are alt accounts doing the tedious mining / courier work or just sitting docked while skilling up, inflating the concurrent user numbers as well.  No wonder people think EVE is more mature, with all of those alt accounts being so silent.  Must seem like a library.

But when you meet someone who is actually alive, do things really appear more mature? Jita isn't really a very mature, certainly no better than Barrens chat.  Some alliances are idiots, a lot of the Merc corps for example.  Don't even get me started on Goons... and have you EVE players even read the profiles of pirates in EVE?  

So EVE has more than it's share of "kiddies" for you pretentious types to pretend to feel superior over, without having to resort to flaming the millions playing WoW.  In space, noone can hear Chuck Norris jokes, because everyones on an alt account.

That being said, EVE online has very nice and friendly help channels.  You can find nice and friendly people in WoW though, you just need to join a decent guild - like EVE, you need a decent corp to really experience that game.

I find EVE to be no more mature than WoW, and I play both.  People are people.  Spaceships and lasers are not more mature than swords and sorcery.

Imagine if Blizzard included beer and strippers with their expansion pack - real beer, and real strippers.  Haters would still post something like:

*Yawn*, beer.  I've drunken it before, it's nothing new.   And strippers?  I can watch porn on the internet anyway.   

No matter what Blizzard do, no matter how good the new expansion pack, there is no pleasing these people.  They are in a perpetual state of self-destructive vicious circle of awaiting new MMORPG releases only to have them vomit into their faces before falling into the gutter of MMORPG street, later to be run over by Horde riding Kodo mounts screaming at the top of the lungs "oh my god this is so much fun, I hear they're including beer and stripper in the next x-pack".

To sum up: people will always whine, especially when theres an opportunity to bitch about WoW.

Originally posted by daylight01

 

Originally posted by Recant

AoC is an ultra-linear borefest and WAR is just a medicore WoW clone (sorry, but it is) that sounds great on paper but really isn't very much fun.  My money is on WAR flopping pretty hard, AoC at least has some class underneath it's myriad of technical problems.

This is just my opinion, don't hate me for it.  I don't have a crystal ball or anything.  Maybe one of these games will take the MMORPG scene by storm.  Who cares!  I've got some pedestrians to run over and bitches to have warm coffee with.  You lot in the meantime, have the following waiting for you:

Achievement Unlocked:  Disillusioned fan-boy - Waited 2 years for an MMORPG only to be disappointed.

Muahaha :P  I'm only being half-serious here.

While I agree I cant hate you for yor opinion,I have to ask you have been waiting for a MMo for 2 years but wont give a MMo a chance this close to launch?

 

I am sorry but dont you think the reason you have been waiting 2 years is that you havent given a game a chance or indeed MMo game's arent for you?

I haven't been waiting 2 years for an MMORPG.  Well, I did get kinda hyped up about Vanguard, perhaps I'm suffering from some post-Vanguard-stress disorder, but I'm kinda happy with MMOs as they are now.  I don't understand why so many people are desperately hoping that the genre is suddenly going to change dramatically.  If you don't enjoy MMORPGs, why bother wishing the next one will be one you like.  Perhaps the game you originally liked hasn't been killed by it's evil developers, perhaps you're just tired of the genre and need to move on?

I'm not talking to you, specifically, rather everyone who thinks MMORPGs are in a state of ruin atm and are hoping the next game will be the holy grail.  You can't have the holy grail, cos it's sitting on my mantlepiece right now, granting me eternal life, and you don't know where I live.

EQ is a game where it can often feel like work just to progress.  This makes the rewards seemingly more pleasant at the end of it.  They do come, but most players nowadays give up too easily.  You can blame WoW if you want, but even when EQ was new people were complaining about the grind.  It's just how the game is.

AoC is an ultra-linear borefest and WAR is just a medicore WoW clone (sorry, but it is) that sounds great on paper but really isn't very much fun.  My money is on WAR flopping pretty hard, AoC at least has some class underneath it's myriad of technical problems.

This is just my opinion, don't hate me for it.  I don't have a crystal ball or anything.  Maybe one of these games will take the MMORPG scene by storm.  Who cares!  I've got some pedestrians to run over and bitches to have warm coffee with.  You lot in the meantime, have the following waiting for you:

Achievement Unlocked:  Disillusioned fan-boy - Waited 2 years for an MMORPG only to be disappointed.

Muahaha :P  I'm only being half-serious here.

Go outside, catch a few STDs and come back to MMORPGs when you're older and uglier.

Originally posted by Netzoko

 

Originally posted by ianubisi

 

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Originally posted by Netzoko

While this is true, the more people badmouth a game the less new population joins. MMOs are more fun with more people.

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People continually bash WoW...day in and day out. It has over 10 million subscribers.

I think your premise is flawed.

 

That's because the majority of WoW players never read forums or reviews.

Bad word of mouth does hurt business, there's nothing flawed about that.

The majority of WoW players never read reviews or forums?  Where do you come up with this shit?

Originally posted by batolemaeus

 

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Originally posted by Ascension08
I'm not totally aware of all the hostility in EVE towards WoW players, since I've only done the EVE trial

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Well, it's a tradition, so to say.
Some eve-comis covered the relationship with wow.

The problem is not wow, it's wow dominatig the mmo market. Many players new to eve come from wow, and the first they see is the cold, dark, harsh world of eve. Talk about culture shock. (The same typically happens the other way round, too. I was so disappointed in wow that i couldn't make a huge pile of gold with crafting from the start. Of course, that is absolutely the wrong aproach to wow..)
And so they see this barren world. With seemingly nothing inside. And it's cruel, full of scams, griefs, explosions and death.
And they come to the forums. And start another thread. And people get annoyed.

The real problem is not the games itself. They are just extremely different, and wow hands down HAS more people, and so the impact of wow on eve is far greater than eve on wow..

Whereas a WoW player would have played both.  The difference?  One is an elitist who ignored WoW probably because it looked "cartoony", the other actually has played both.

1 - 0 to the WoW players who have more MMORPG experience :p

Well as an EVE player do you have the "mental capacity" to understand that my point is valid regardless of the chronology of the posts? :P

Originally posted by Ascension08

Originally posted by unherdninja

Hello,

Basically I’m just curious if I’m a bad guy here...

I have done something bad and please forgive me...

I Unheardninja am currently playing both WoW AND EVE Online!

Sue me ok! Yes I like both games and if that means Living in this no mans land in between the two great Empires then maybe I don’t belong in this world!...

Ok really though. Why do people act like just because one plays WoW that there unable to play anything else and that we are all simple minded creatures?

Thank you,

Matt

If you have the (no offense here folks) mental capacity and/or attention span to play and enjoy EVE, then I commend your bravery for putting up with WoW's community. I don't see anything wrong with playing both, they're both fun games (EVE of course taking some time to enjoy). I'm not totally aware of all the hostility in EVE towards WoW players, since I've only done the EVE trial (pretty good trial. 21 days if you go with Steam!)

This is exactly the kind of bigotry I was talking about in my earlier post, poor show.

Yes quite.  EVE is the kind of game you kind of need to have another game on standby.  Quite often you don't really want to do anything until your skills have finished, manufacturing or research is done, high-sec autopilot has reached it's destination.  It's only really the hardcore PvPers or mission runners/salvagers, that aren't playing other games, watching a DVD, running other EVE accounts simultaneously, reading a book etc.

And would you please stop generalizing WoW players as being simpletons who haven't heard of other MMORPGs.  I mean WoW players are still PC gamers, they're still a higher quality of nerd than console gamers, for example.  It's also important to remember that all the WoW players that visit THIS site have at the very least played another MMORPG so what you writing isn't even accurate.

It's like racism a kind of MMORPGism.. :P

The McDonalds analogy is in itself, a fast food analogy.  A cheeseburger of an analogy, a ready-made dig for people that can't think for themselves.  A fried chicken analogy that they can gouge themselves with at the bottom of their long diatribes about "the terrible state of MMORPGs today" to stick it to the millions of people having fun while they are not.

They compare it to McDonalds because if they compared it to another MMORPG it doesn't really help them sling poop over WoW, because other MMORPGs are just shit.   I mean you can deny it all you want and talk about personal preference and all that, but when you factor in everything, and not just subscriber numbers, or critics scores, magazine articles, newspaper articles, how other developers play it, or how many people talk about ... but all of that, at once... then fuck, WoW beats the living shit out of any other MMORPG and you hate the game for it.

Boo fucking hoo, go paint your nails black and wear purple lipstick and tell the world how much WoW is too mainstream for you.  You're wrong, WoW isn't cheaper or easier or less quality or any of the negative connotations that you think you're being so fucking clever comparing it to fast food, and nobody outside of this depressive cesspit of jaded self-proclaimed MMO veterans cares if you don't like it. 

I still love you guys though. :D

Blizzcon > E3

Someone thinks I'm "riff-raff" :(

Originally posted by ianubisi

You can never replace that "first" experience, in anything you do in life. What makes "first" experiences magical is that they usher in new experiences, and you cannot have a new experience again of the same kind.

I suggest stop looking for it. You'll be missing out on a lot of exciting things trying to recreate what can never be recreated.

What you say is true to a point, you never can recreate that *first* experience; that first time when you were like "oh my God this virtual world is so amazing I just creamed my pants"  The OP said it was a buzz, a buzzing, and I know what that feels like, you can get toys for that kind of thing.  My point is that you can enhance any current MMORPG experience with a little trick I discovered.  A trick I am willing to share with you, because I love you.

You see, your first time for anything is always the best, the first time is amazing.  Except for things like masturbation - then it's just kind of wierd and scary but leads to a lot of fun later on in life (well not my life, but I read about it) - so the trick is to take the current MMORPG that you're finding boring, and while you're playing it - simultaneously - do something you've never done before... to trick your brain into experiencing that buzz while you're playing your MMORPG.

The most obvious thing to do is play in the nude, your skin is the largest organ in the body and while clothed, you're filtering out the buzz.   When you're playing in the nude, you have easy access to your nether-region for when chain-mail bikinis appear on screen, and there are no barriers between the MMORPG and the body, so you absorb all of the buzz from the game that was previously blocked by clothes.

Obviously, this only works once, like anything else, so the trick is to find new experiences.  Another way that works is to turn your monitor upside down, and also your keyboard.  This way you'll have to re-learn how to move, fight, type again and it will be just like that first time, you'll play like a retard and you'll have to type liek dis jus 2 get ur msg accross, and you'll suck for a while - perfect.  Though this only works for so long and after your brain has adapted you'll be incapable of functioning IRL but that's a small price to pay for the buzz.

Lobster, I've never eaten lobster before, or crab, or any kind of crustacean (I don't have a spell checker).  Why the fuck would I want to eat something with armor-plating?  TO GET BUZZ IN MY MMORPG.  While I'm ripping the inside of my mouth to pieces of shell, I've got a giant Wood-Elf (if you know what I'm saying) because there's a hot sexy barbarian princess hanging upside down in front of me telling me to use proper english just like my old english teacher who I had a massive crush on but it was never meant to be.  She looked a bit like a middle aged Firiona Vie now that I think about it.

Are those smileys depicting the story of David and Goliath?  If so, I'm impressed!

I'm sorry if I annoyed anyone, I've had a lot of coffee today and I'm feeling both cynical and on-edge at the same time. :P

I'm sure Age of Warquest will be a big hit!

I am so hyped up about this shit:

It's coming... before we run out of money... the Next Generation of Generic Fantasy MMORPGs:  Age of Warquest.

It's the premier next-gen quadruple-A title, with a revolutionary combat 2.0 system that has you pressing buttons in a slightly different way.  Fight monsters with swords and magic in ways you've never imagined. A meaningful death penalty that has you repeating content to punish you for being a loser!

You're a loser... if you're not a winner, and only the best can be winners in Age of Warquest.  Engage in true PvP:  Here only the skillful can capture towns, over and over again, for rewards that will make them stronger than other players: its the future of PVP.

An advanced graphics engine that hopefully makes up for our outsourced models and poor art direction, and is so high-tech, that even our own PCs can't handle it.  Remember zones?  We bring back what WoW took away... loading screens.  The future of tomorrow is here, today, with Age of Warquest. 

Are you sour that you never enjoyed WoW while everybody else was?  Worried that perhaps you'll never find meaning in your life from a computer game?  No problem, pre-order Age of Warquest today and get a head-start of everyone else (but remember, skill still matters!), and a free in-game item that everyone else is going to have or won't care about! 

Worried that there will be too many immature types spamming crap in chat channels, thus preventing the high-brow intellectual debate you're used to in online games?  No need to worry - our game has blood... and tits!

Sure you've heard it all before, from previous Generic Fantasy MMORPGs which have fallen on their asses and collapsed while their developers snort coke in their dull, grey cubicles, but this time it's gonna be different.  Age of Warquest will BLOW you away. 

This informercial was brought to you by 3rd Time Lucky Entertainment, and Hyped BS. Publishing Incorporated.

Dunno about you guys but this game is going to wipe the floor with WoW and jump up and down on it.  It's about time we had a real hyped-up game to be hyped up about.  I can't freaking wait.

Yeah what's with an expansion pack looking like the game it's expanding?  I was expecting like, a MMOFPS hybrid with RTS and RPG elements with giant freaking lazer beams and explosions and shit.