I've been tempted so many times to give UO a try, there just never seems to be enough time (or money) to squeeze it in.

Perhaps one day

I'm not going to tell you to try EVE, otherwise a half a dozen folks will chime in with what a boring spreadsheet, screensaver, POS game it is.

You certainly wouldn't enjoy the complicated crafting system that directly supports the economy and the overall games PVP model.

Forget about the many PVE options, they all suck and lack any sort of challenge and who really wants a career trading, mining, exploring, running missions, ratting Sleeper ships in wormholes, rolling npc pirates in 0.0 complexes or even scamming the unaware from their hard earned ISK.

Can't help you with player housing, all EVE has is the ability for players to set up their own personal station that can be used to refine ore, build ships up to Capital size, be armed with all sorts of swell defences like ECM jammers, shiled hardners and guns.  But no sofas, pictures or sconses I'm afraid.    And for the really ambitious, you can actually organize the effort to create a full size space station in 0.0 space that can never be destroyed, only captured and controlled by whomever has won the space at that time.  But no carpets, sorry.

We don't have characters to customize, unless of course you consider being to outfit your avatar in about 200 different ships types customization.  And for some reason, CCP seems to think we need actual player Avatars that can walk around in stations and wear clothes, play cards or interact in corporate offiecs, so they are working on bringing it into the game to satisfy some group of whiners who seem to think its necessary. (no date has been set)

Large open worlds.... again, no one ever sets foot on a world in EVE, but there are several hundred star systems, several hunderd wormhole systems which no player could ever visit them all.  Of course, there will be a companion FPS game for consoles called Dust514 that will interface in some manner with EVE and actually have players fighting on worlds in the EVE universe which will be contracted by players of the parent game.

Yeah, pretty much EVE is a garbage game and coudn't possibly be what you are looking for, do not play it for any reaason.

edit: And of course, I'm sure you wouldn't be interested in the 14 or 21 day free trials that can be run as many times as you like until you get a feel for the game. 

For me the problem is that MMORPG's continue to move away from being virtual worlds and becoming just "games" focused on a few narrow features such as combat.

The casual market prefers this, hence the popularity of WOW and its many pale imatators.

But the mere mention that a person prefers a more group oriented game, with rich and crafting, economy, housing etc usually sends the casual gamer recoiling in horror and they decry such design as being old school, out-dated and not in tune with what the "typical" gamer wants. (and they are correct)

I'm not typical so I want more.  I want what has been lost for the most part and therefore continue to support products that offer it, regardless of their age or maturity.

Originally posted by stux

Wow didn't start with the population it has now.

 

It was like rolling a snow ball off a mountain and an avalanche followed.

 

The young kids started, the brought some friends, who brought more, etc.

 

Next thing you know it became mainstream.

 

Kind of like:

 

YouTube

Facebook

MySpace

and before that Geocities

 

I was there.  The young kids did not start the rush to WOW, it the beginning and at least for the 2 yr period leading up to TBC adults dominated the player base.  Even now I've seen reports that WOW's player base is predominantly adults, so this myth about children playing WOW is exactly that, a myth.

It is not a myth that it is a very attractive game to casuals and people who normally don't play MMO's.  I know several older adults at my office who have only played WOW, and probably will only ever play WOW.

That's the target audience that Blizzard managed to draw in that other games fail to reach.

Originally posted by hayes303

This thread do be exciting and new. What would be sweet would be for the game to actually be allowed to start beta before everyone piles on the doomsaying. Might play like everything else out there or it might not. Hard to tell from the 1 hr or so of game footage avail pre-beta.

And then you'll say "wait until the open beta before doomsaying'.  Followed by wait until launch, wait until the first major patch, to then be followed by "wait until the first expansion"

We've heard it all before, always the same old story.

I might be surprised....but that isn't the way to bet.

Diet Cherry Coke baby, that's the way to go.

Oh, what the heck were we talking about again?

WOW hasn't really been different since it released, all content is just reskinned, bumped up in level and rehashed.

Why would you really expect anything different?

You either enjoy it or you don't.

It isn't really the children in games that are the problem, most asshats that I run into are in the 20-35 crowd.

Guess having raised 3 myself I don't fear them as much as other people seem to.

BTW, my son who is 17 and has been playing these games for 9 years now is a terrrific raid leader and I let him run all our groups.  People friend us (well him anyways) after almsot every run for a job well done.

yawn, just another WOW clone.

/ducks 

No, to do so would just create another market leader which will only happen with bland, uninspiring game play as brought to us by WOW.

I want something good and different.

Different is rarely popular.

I'm fine with General chat channels, they serve a useful function in some cases, (like home defense) and the positives overall outweigh the negatives.

No one forces you to read what's typed there, and you are always free to ignore anyone or the entire channel if you like.

You are in the wrong corp, mining the wrong holes.

My alliance has several holes from class 2 to class 5 and does both mining and sleeper ratting.

Haven't run into anyone who isn't making a tidy profit.  Myself, I sleeper rat and made about 2B a month in my first 2 months with the corp.  (our team tends run class 4's in small groups)

What the OP really wanted was less of a game and more of a virtual world,  a sandbox game as it were and of course, they don't have a history of selling well so Turbine changed the game to follow WOW and other more financially successful games.

Like someone else noted, unless a sandbox game suddenly becomes a big commercial success, don't expect such a game to be made by Turbine or any other major dev house using this (or any other) franchise

They were just trying to outdo DF for the worst launch ever title.

Might have succeeded a bit too well though.

Originally posted by glofish

Originally posted by Kyleran 

Er, maybe I should mention that I'm Asmodian, have no idea what areas you are referencing, and outside of a few SPY quests, yes, I had done every single possible quest including the repeatables up to 5 or 6 times on some occasions.

 

So click the dropdown menu and switch to Asmo race ... now you got 92 quests. I bet there is an entire area and a full questhub that you have never been to.

 

www.aionarmory.com/asmo-search.aspx

Thanks for the link, but in looking that over pretty sure I did every one of those except the Spy quests. Up to level 27 now, and the quests again are a bit thin, looks like 28 will bring a plethora a new quests.  We're by no means out, still working on about 10 or so (got TG done) but it looks like we have to head for the Lava Caves next.

I'm not complaining about the quest content btw, but I just don't think you can really get to 50 without doing some grinding along the way. 

Originally posted by Fearlessbro

Originally posted by cshanor

Why would someone subject their self to playing a game they hate, for 4 x 80 = 320 levels?  If its because of all the people around, try playing EVE. I am not certain what the current numbers are, but  when I played EVE, you had 33000+ people on one server, and the high sec systems were usually teeming with players.

I don't currently play WoW, I usually come back when an expansion is released just to see the new areas and do the new quests. But WoW is a very polished game, and I think Blizzard does a fine job with designing and creating a world.

 

I usually do the same, I dont play often anymore. Yeah I do hate the game but what else has such a large player base.

 

 

I can't possibly think of a worse reason to play a game than what you wrote here.

I play games for many reasons, but how large the player base is never a major factor.  Sure, it can't be a dead game with 200 people playing, but as long as even one server is busy I can find entertainment in most games.

I played WOW for 18 months or so when it first came out.  I enjoyed leveling up characters (I had 5 60's when I quit) and I even enjoyed raiding for a while, but eventually when TBC came out I realized I didn't want to stay on the treadmill any longer.

WOW is a well made game and has many entertaining features which many folks have posted here in this thread (and about a million or so times in others) so there's really no reason go around asking why people might want to play it.

You might not enjoy the game, I no longer do either, but that doesn't make us "right" or better gamers because we don't.
 

Just means we have different tastes than others and we enjoy different styles of games is all.

Have you tried first person shooters, they have the gameplay you seem to be looking for.

Me, i'm old and slow so I prefer games with a bit slower pace like EVE, but lately I've been playing Aion and find that its combat movement and mechanics are just fine for me.

Does it have as much stuff as WOW, not nearly close.  But its still fun, and I'm enjoying myself.

I left off of WOW over 3 years ago now and have never looked back.

Just matters what you are looking for in your gaming I suppose.

But WOW's not going anywhere, and is due for some serious revamps, so you're good right?

Originally posted by solareus

funny how no one wants to talk about the positives , and owuld rather bring up old and tired posts from 2 years ago.

You didn't actually post anything, other than a link elsewhere which some of us won't pursue while at the office since you never know where they might lead.

Maybe next time extract the key salient points and info and put them in the body of your post?

Originally posted by TheHatter

Originally posted by tro44_1

 

TBH here, this is what makes sites like this any fun.

No, it's really not.

Er, Yes, it really is.

OK, maybe not for "you" but for "me" I enjoy a good scrap, could care less if anyone "trolls" and when someone's post really annoys me, I just ignore it or them.

Trolls have one purpose IMO, to elicit an enraged response, and for the most part, people fall for it hook line and sinker.  If people who really detest trolling would not respond and leave it to those like myself who enjoy doing so, we'd all be a lot happier.

But for some reason people see the need to crusade against trolling (like the OP) which I completely fail to comprehend.

Ack, got misled by a necro bump.....

Originally posted by TheConfined

haha the PvE content in MO is currently the biggest fucking joke I've ever seen in my life...even worse then Shadowbane

in fact its an interesting point to note that every single FFA PvP MMO to date has had the shittiest PvE imaginable and if anyone has played Shadowbane they know what I'm talking about

the best PvP MMO I've ever played so far has been EverQuest and surprise surprise it also had some of the best PvE content of any MMO to date

Its been a long time, so perhaps my memory fails me, but I recall rather liking the PVE in Shadowbane.  To each their own I suppose.

But your observation is true, and I believe its due to the fact that most FFA PVP games are developeed by small, underfunded Indie dev houses that can't afford to release with a full featured game that includes strong PVP and PVE.

I'm not even sure anyone can truly build such a game, as the two designs tend to cancel each other out and what benefits one (i.e. PVE) hinders the other.

Blizzard's been trying hard for years and even with their money they don't have it right (IMO)