Originally posted by Yamota

 

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Originally posted by DarthRaiden

 

Rates Darkfall 7.4 / 10
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"Darkfall’s shortcomings are much easier to forgive, and its triumphs – and there are many – easy to champion."
 
Well said nowgamer.com !
You worth bookmarking.

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Another unknown gaming site gives it good marks, yeah that proves alot...
As far as I know Eurogamer is the only known gaming site that has reviewed it. All other are sites you never heard of before. I wonder why that is...
Darkfall is garbage and will stay garbage, no matter how many unkown gaming sites gives it good reviews. Mortal Online is the future of FFA PvP sandbox MMORPGs.

 

MO .... will never have the same scale of on screen in action pvp that darkfall supports nearly flawlessly. Mo will be a nice looking game and have plenty of small to medium - pvp

OH yeh Mo = no asset destruction no sieging at lease dfo is giving the tools for decent politics

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by xxxfistxxx

The point I was trying to convey, is this.

Even if AV is self  publishing in EU they could have a separate AV holding that contains a different set of US investors for the NA launch, that means they would still have to be responsible for selling the game all over again, to satisfy a whole other group of investors, even though they are self publishing the title there as well.

The shares of this contract held by Tasos and crew could account for the discounted transfer fee we have been hearing about.

Its possible for one company to have several franchises comprised of  some or all the same people. 

 

That is true.

You will also have to admit though that when companies do that it is sometimes for unethcial reasons.  Enron anyone?

 

Some have already stated that they have absolutely no problems supporting an unethical or unprincipled company. 

There are some players though that is NOT the case for.  

It could also be...

They established funding for the EU and launch say those investors had no interest in being part of the US launch, where does that put AV...

Establishing a second company with the same roll as the first, except to fund the US launch.

Ethically it would the only way to release in the US. It actually puts them in a shit sandwich sort of situation.

As it states on the MO forum...

No asset destruction, and no sieging... and they even admited its instanced. Just based on the graphics its going to be years before any company releases a game that looks as good as MO and has the ability to support both sieges and the amount of players in an area that Darkfall can now. Mortal is nice stuff if I never played AoC I would be willing to give that game type a shot.

Seemless world construction was possible 9 years ago, it should be a standard today. I have been following MO for years while I respect them being straight to the point, I play for large wars politics, and I never want to play another game with 3 keshettas. Darkfall is making some amazing changes and we will find out more tomorrow.

At the end of the day play what makes you happy.

The point I was trying to convey, is this.

Even if AV is self  publishing in EU they could have a separate AV holding that contains a different set of US investors for the NA launch, that means they would still have to be responsible for selling the game all over again, to satisfy a whole other group of investors, even though they are self publishing the title there as well.

The shares of this contract held by Tasos and crew could account for the discounted transfer fee we have been hearing about.

Its possible for one company to have several franchises comprised of  some or all the same people. 

yes they would also have the responsibility of making the games presence known and that would include box advertising/package design, and setting up reviews and such They would be the middleman to GNI buying server bandwidth to host the game, collecting the fee's "potential collection through a 3rd party like eu1"

The art end is the dfo developement team - also part of the customer service side "in game problems"

The business end is the publisher - also customer service "but account problems and stuff"

The publisher can outsource almost all the tasks and just be responsible for making sure the artists and programmers get paid.

In the days before release, November/ December 08'

There was alot of talk about getting investors onboard, and there was some news links.

Suppose AV built a publishing company fully knowing they would be the publishers, however the company did not have capitol to support an mmo release, so they decide to incorperate cash investors to the company and offer them equal share. This puts in motion the EU1 release.

In order to commit to a US1 release they could potentially use the same company to publish the game... but what if the current investors are not interested in putting up that money?

So Tasos and crew build another company and find more investors to act in the same manner as the prior company. Perhaps its this very reason that they were able to negotiate a reduced price in transfer accounts, they would be sacrificing thier shares.

With the investor race that hit in the early days of launch I could propose this be a possible situation. Even though there could be multiple AV's the shares payout could be 2 totally different groups of people even if Tasos and crew are named in each company.

Just my idea on what could be happening...

No mmo is GTA- Sandbox...

DFO is as much as you will find in a full loot 3/4 pvp game

I fully support Garriot and hope he takes NC to town, hopefully Garriot will hook up with Trion, or rebuild a resemblance of origin.

AC2 had awesome reviews, even had demos in magazines... with graphics that ooh'd and aahh'd us

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I'd easily pay 2 bucks a day, that is still cheaper than morning coffee break, 50Bucks is cheaper than a night out. I am paying 400 a month on a car that sits in a garage 7 months out of the year...

I think they are doing the right thing, who wants a game disc that is gonna be a coaster of old info in a few months anyways.  

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by oddjobs74

No. Absolutely not.

I call...Turn over your cards. If they aren't ready now then they aren't going to be ready.. It's simple: This game has been "ready for release tomorrow" since 2003 or sooner. At this point it's just rediculous.  And for them to say that they will not put a release date out untill they are sure they are ready or some such nonsense, and then spout 3 launch dates recently and then not hit any of them??

So if there is in fact a playable game called Darkfall, and you want it to be pushed back to be a great game at release, then you might have to wait several more years.

 

 

 

No, you should stop posting.

I made a thread awhile ago that pointed out the hypocrits that would bash AoC etc for not delaying and releasing a game that wasnt finished...and then bashed games for delaying.

DF needs to delay if a launch would not be very smooth, that is just common sense.  Another delay would not make any of the haters who feel like aventurine owes them something and somehow wronged them in the past hate the game anymore or less.  Even though they choose to follow a game they have invested no money in, they still feel entitled to something.

Darkfall needs to be delayed if the devs feel it is not able to launch smoothly.  It is the smart choice and OP is 100% right.  History is on our side the arguement...as look at all the "big studios" who have released unfinished games and failed because they didnt delay.

Imbant well put couldn't have said it better.

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by LeKinK

With only 1 server they could very well say : Sorry folks! Server is full so we stopped distribution for now. It is going to take another month before we can open another one. Please be patient and understand why we are keeping the NDA (without any other explanation).

 

No, they have a server provider, if they fill up one server they will have the money to bring up another one pretty fast.

Think of it this way, how fast do u think they want to make MORE money ?

THATS how fast the next server will come up.

 

Leave it to good old GREED to expedite matters.

 

-Darkstar

 

 

you are wrong sir, completely wrong.

Why should they rush, if they let so many in at a time The idiot wowheads will quit and they don't have to have over inflate there capacity. They stand to make a lot more money... also the "Cartmanland Theory"

Originally posted by shrapnel20

Mats Persson, Creative Director:

Of course I know some people will have problems with the first person view and not find it "more immersive" than 3rd person view. Or actually refuse to play the game at all because they hate it. But the question was directed to US or ME, personally and subjectively, and I could have said "because it will sell more" or "because Sebastian is a lousy programmer and couldn't get 3rd person view to work the way I like it". That would be my/our opinion. And I refuse to begin each and every line with "I/we think" or "I/we feel that" or "In my/our personal opinion", especially when I'm asked for my personal view or opinion. (I'm often told I do it too often as it already is, for instance read the next two lines in my answer in the interview).

But here it goes: We, personally, think first-person view in our game, Mortal Online, is more immersive than third-person view - even though we like third-person view and not necessarily find first-person view more immersive or better in general. For instance, most of us play games in third-person view and find that view better suited for those games. Also, there are a number of MO-features and situations that simply couldn't be made or achieved in third-person view that we believe would generally be regarded as "stuff adding more immersiveness to the gaming experience". And we find it very important to include those features, as we feel the game becomes more immersive with them than third-person view without them. You ask me why we chose first person view for our game, and conclusively we chose it:
Because of the immersion.

An artist knows that someone will frame his piece, that is part of the reason why the artist frames the focal point with art.

If the design of the game has taken this perspective into account at all, you are  basically a complete twit to suggest they change there design now. People need to start looking at products through the eyes of the designer, if they identify with it then great support it and buy it. However if you do not identify with it move along and find something else to watch.

We need people that appreciate the choices made by these games creative teams, and not hinder there process with qualms with the decisions they have obviously taken the time to consider.

lol noobs...

Every instance you say that a game performed with no lag in 25v25 or 40v40 at least 30 people screamed cried and moaned about "LAG" I'm dead... I couldn't heal...

there are a very small handfull of games that can go a full round without anyone lagging. 

only game that does 50 ppl pvp relatively ok is counterstrike.

No mmo does 50 man fights well,

As far as df goes lets hope its the final blow for people like you posting int he forums

The above poster had noted a fella named Claus

The following link is to an early interview with Razorwax

http://rpgvaultarchive.ign.com/features/interviews/darkfall.shtml

I seem to remember they had some rough times then too.

If I was Tasos I would hire people to come on the forums and forum flame the flamers

there was a time, when the only navigation piece you would get in game is a compass...

your minimap was something that looked like this http://www.owo.com/archive/ftp/maps/u4/britmap2.gif

it was made of cloth and worthy of getting mounted and framed cause it looked so cool. can you imagine the amount of cool stuff that can be stuffed into that vague at best map...

Its the unknown and exploration that will truely keep people interested and digging for more. Some gamers came from games that if you didn't jot down where you were going in a dungeon you never came out. "Yeh restart the game 6 new toons"  Well stepping up into games online like AC or UO, UO was all about exploration in the early days, and AC was all about the patchday hunt for new content "they acutally patch and add content all the time" Finding places like bandit castle and tou- tou for the first time were exciting.

I guess it comes down to this... the more they give you, the less you use your imagination. I will say this, the requirement of an imagination to enjoy games these days just simply is not the same. The kids that play wow, just couldn't comprehend the complexity and mood a game like Darklands could throw you into on a cold winter night.

I guess its my own stinkin problem that I will never in my lifetime see a computer capable of generating the kind of shit my imagination is capable of creating... who knows.

AC on a Wii...

I have heard of dumber ideas. I would have to admit though the game would need to be re-animated, retooled a bit, but the potential good that could come out of it.

It would be an awesome way for turbine to use the lore they have already created. The content updates and patches are already done...

Release feature rich from day one and follow the AC content and plot patches... The timeline would be interesting...

Bandit dagger on the wii ... I might have to buy a Wii...