Originally posted by vesavius

 

You don't consider gambling to be a real addiction then either?

 

Would this make any difference to how you see addiciton?

http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/units/addiction/genetics/

I won't even enter into a discussion of your 'survival of the fittest' philosophy...  But lets not be making any statements of 'truth' about 'how life works' plz?

Sure, they are "addicted". It's their fault, though, they are the reason they are, they have weak willpower, and anyone who gambles, in my opinion, needs to learn from that mistake. Gambling is one of the worst things in the world, but hey, it's up to the person to do what they want.

Originally posted by Bama1267

 As someone stated , the main reason is to make a distinction in pvp vs pve gear. Pre TBC , raid gear could mop up in pvp. So what is the point of PVP.... if you have to PVE to get the best gear. As it stands now, the best pve gear is raid gear and the best pvp gear is arena/bg gear. Thats the way it should be.

 If someone wants to compete in pvp, you have to take your lumps like everyone else and work your way up. It isnt like the old days where you could pansy out for a month or 2 building gear in raids and then jump into a bg.

 But PVP in WOW sucks anyway :p , so all this is moot. There needs to be more reason to pvp other than getting that next piece of gear. Hopefully this so called pvp zone in thenew  xpac is worth while ...because overall WOW is fun. It just has an abrupt end after you are fully geared and have no reason to pvp. And pvp to me isnt doing the same bg over and over and over the same way everytime to win or lose.

To cure your lust for PvP, it is not very hard. You can try going to Halaa and see how healthy the Halaa PvP is there, or if that isn't World PvP enough for you, try ganking low levels with the intent of bringing their 70's to aid them. I always have fun with this, it brings about some of the more fun PvP in my opinion. However, you can always enter BGs and fight wherever, on the road, by the flag, wherever you want.

PvP is not limited to battlegrounds and arena, unless you let yourself be limited to it. I have PvPed for a very long time, and I did it when I was in UBRS blues with no honor system. Just go out there and have fun, that's what it is all about.

I agree with resilience. I don't want someone to go raid and have good PvE gear and also good PvP gear. There is arena for a reason, and resilience is a great stat. I think it has changed how WoW is played and for the better I think. If your complaint is that it's hard to get gear when you first hit 70, thats not so.

Pretty easy, and sure you'll get owned with greens/blues from questing, but shouldnt that happen? I mean come on, these people who spent months on getting gear shouldnt have advantage then? This is a RPG get over it. Resilience has made PvP a lot better, as it extends fights and makes you need to stay on top of things. People who dislike resilience, I don't know what to say to you, I thought this argument was over a long time ago, but people really do amaze me.

Also, PvE gear does work in PvP, you might have less survivability but, on the other side, you do more damage. Now.. let's pretend it's hard to get 400 resilience.

How can MMOs and Crack even be compared? One is physiological and the other is psychological. Your body is not transformed and made dependant on World of Warcraft, per say. Calling games addictive is fine, although I really find it hard to become truly addicted.

People who get addicted deserve it, they have weak willpower, and as I believe, only those stronger and more fit to survival are who truly succeed, that is how life works. There doesn't need to be counseling on addictive video gaming, because it's an obsession, a hobby. Crack on the other hand is a drug that manipulates your body.

Video Gaming is no different than playing High School football, yet it gets way more heat.

Originally posted by Psiho246

 

Originally posted by ArcaneMarine

I tend to agree with the essence of what the OP has to say in this thread.

And I tend to agree with what they said about WoW being around in 10 years still.  It may be a totally new re-vamped WoW by then, but the Warcraft franchise is too insanely popular to not have a MMO around in some version or other.  And really, 5 million subscribers isn't too hard to believe to still be hanging around.  In 10 years I'm sure that there will be many, many more MMO subscribers in general so WoW having that many would not be that hard of a stretch for the imagination.

Unless of course there is a World of Starcraft by then, then maybe WoW's subscriber base could be cut into by a hefty chunk.

You do know that 10 years ago it was popular to play pacman and tetris and 3d graphics didnt exist?

 

Can you even speculate what kind of technology there will be in 10 years? Virtual reality? Holographic gaming?

What I am most sure there will be no WoW, mybe WoW2 or WoW3, or World of Starcraft. Hell Blizzard might even bankrupt in 10 years, or a comet might hit the earth!

 

Now do you see how this kind of DOOM! and anti DOOM threads are meaningless?

Actually... ten years ago Half-Life was a pretty popular game..

What I find funny is how everyone says that WoW had been declining, when in reality it had not.

Is the best you can say "WoW will die." ? That's not different than me saying, "One day, you'll die, I don't know when or how, but you will."

Originally posted by superus

I believe that is against the EULA but have heard from others that they have never been banned for this.  I would watch out for connecting to the game via different IP addresses as this is a clear indication there is some account sharing going on.

Only if the ISP are very far away could that possiblely tell that story. I log on different IP addresses all the time.

Originally posted by Crysiswolf
Night elfs should hav the pally class.Cause theyr always say ''may ELUNE walk with u"

Only reason Blood Elves are Paladins is because they "stole the light", which is pretty lame. If any race should get Paladin it's Undead.

Elune is a deity for the Priests and Druids of Teldrassil to follow, and the Night Elves to worship. Elune has nothing to do with Paladins, as it is Uther and now the Naaru's class.

Originally posted by MrVicchio

LOL QQ more.. failure.. yeah.

 

See When I play, I laugh at people like you.

 

WORK?  I'm pay to have fun, not "work".

 

As for the "New players have no one.. dude, I ignore the newbies... who actually goes and groups with them?

 

I have even attempted to get groups going, WC, RFC, RFK...   nothing.

 

Of course, this isn't a shock, the reaction, WoW's world famous community shines when someone suggests making things more fun taking away their precious "work"

 

 

Did someone in better gear kill you, and you instantly blame it on their gear? Is that why you are so angry?

I really don't understand this argument, the part of the reason I enjoy MMOs over say FPS and RTS, is that it takes time and you can't just pick up the game and be at the same point I am. I enjoy leveling, as I enjoy instancing and PvP. You just might be playing the wrong game.

I've done a total of two whole bosses my entire time since Burning Crusade came out and have a pretty swell time. You can PvP for gear now, I heard. So.. since when has it been raid or die? You mean spend time to earn gear or die?

Originally posted by NagelFire

I feel your pain.  Been playing for 4 years.  Over 3100 hours have been saved by my xfire.

Looking at some other games now.  FFXI, Phantasy star universe, mabye warhammer. I dunno.

Your playing style was so similar to mine its kind of scary.  Except I did not ever use any alts.  Ive played 1 char for 4 years and just pvped :P.

For four years, yet the game was released in November 2004. Good try.

I don't understand why people think it'll be the end of WoW? There was a rumor that it was dying then they come out and say they have over 10 million subscribers. You have to understand.. Vanguard was supposed to kill WoW, EQ2 was supposed to beat WoW. Plenty of other MMOs too.. actually, a lot of people even believed WoW was overhyped pre-release.

The point of the matter is that, it isn't going anywhere and they are only going up, people say it's in its prime, but you can only see a game's prime from hindsight, it isn't a person, it's body doesnt break down... it's a video game.

I can't stand PvPing without being max level, it just irks me.

I love zerg vs zerg, those are my favorite, like the good ol Hillsbrad Zergs and Old School AV. Those were the times..

I remember when games were supposed to be fun.

If you don't enjoy raiding... then why the hell are you doing it?

I don't know if letting Warcraft fade away is something Blizzard will let, I personally have quit playing until the next expansion, not because of any flaw Warcraft has, other than Cloak of Shadows!, but because PvPing in WoW right now just isn't fun anymore, and I'm hoping that may change in the expansion or that the Death Knight class will be entertaining.

That being said, World of Warcraft is the best raiding enviroment game ever created. It may or may not have the most difficult, or even cool looking, raid dungeons. It is casual raid that makes WoW so much better, you can get a group of 10 people, and be able to slowly take down an epic dungeon, and that is something of amazement. No other game has done this and the fact that heroics were added as well, made Burning Crusade a great expansion. People who say it is old, may be playing as long as I have, pretty much since release.

If it's PvP you're after, World of Warcraft may not satisify you, for me it has in the past, and I see no reason why not in the future. Battlegrounds may be disappointing at best, but Blizzard has found ways to get people to do them. Arena is far from perfect, however, Blizzard has one of the best battle systems ever put into place. To say it will fade is a statement not needing to be said. I doubt it'll fade in the next five years, and I am sure it will be a long, long time before it sees its end.

If you want to use the argument that all you see on forums is complaints, well that's because the people enjoying the game... are well.. playing it.

Try RF Online if you can stand learning Korean MMOs or look into Age of Conan.

I would never advise someone to an MMO that is not out. It is completely impossible to predict how well an MMO is going to do, no matter who it is by or what it is about.

WoW had hype because it was by blizzard, but the main buzz was that it would fail horriblely, the release failed, the rest is history. EQ literally changed MMO gaming forever, but EQ2 didn't deliver like it should have, mainly due to poor UI. However, most MMOs do fail, it is hard to present and deliver a great game in the MMO community. A big part, is they take time, and if they don't take time, they are either button-mashing (what I got from Fury's "beta") or they are made by one person. Either way, they aren't fun.

Warhammer Online and Age of Conan look like they will be successful. Funcom and EA Mythic (Mythic Entertainment) have both made successful MMOs and have the money and power to deliver a good MMO. (Anarchy and DAoC respectively). Did EQ2 deliver? Eventually, yes, but the wait was far too long for the impact to be great, Blizzard released a great game, and the release was bad because they didn't expect it to be so great, and in result, servers were very unstable. AoC and WAR look great, but looks can be deceiving, and never -ever- advise someone to a new MMO, especially if they get bored easy.

MMOs aren't for everyone, if you find them boring, try a different genre... such as FPS or RTS... or maybe FFR, DDR, Guitar Hero, Sports games... I mean MMOs aren't the only games you can play. Just saying that certain games aren't fun when their numbers keep going UP, is simply, retarded.

Originally posted by retrospectic
I couldn't find my choice on the poll.  My problem with WoW PvP is that there are not enough maps.  Although the ones we have WSG,AV,AB,EOTS are fun they are not enough to keep me impressed.  I wish the devs would have constructed multiple make-ups for each type of game.

So, instead of one map per type it would have been 5 or 6.