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Originally posted by Shalak1989

    . From what I understand a lot of people on this forum hate most mmorpgs these days as well and want refund on their 5 years of life spent on them:P

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OH HERE HERE!!!!

The man understands as do many many many other people that i've been talking to lately.  WHEN are we going to see an MMO that dosn't make us regret the loss of years wasted on it?  I was majorly suckered in by WoW at the start. I was an explorer more than a power leveler. I was running around on the other side of the world exploring enemy start locations when all my buddies were hurridly leveling.  I  had fun attacking crossroads killing some stupid shop guy and enjoyed being the only non horde at Ratchet because i had heaps of early PvP fun with those silly little horde questing over there. But soon things got sour and you all know the rest because you've all experienced it.  Once it becomes a GRIND at 60 and a "you MUST raid every night or not get your raid points" and "oh i've got this epic sword and you dont" whhooopdeeeedoooo.  could i ever have justifed NOT quitting? NO.

Give us the NON Grind MMO.  Give us the SKILLful MMO where it takes a bit of skill to play.  Give us some REAL Rollplaying (what ever happened to the skills of 'climb, bluff and disguise?' these are role playing skills in NO MMO that i know of).

Just PLEASE dear Game designers. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.  I want to play an MMO that dosn't consume my whole life? When do u understand finally that I CAN BE HAPPY to only play 3 or 4 hours a week instead of 35 hours a week and STILL be happy to pay you a monthly FEE??? Of course people will do this!!!  Most of us are adults who work full time and the kids who play have nothing better to spend their cash on anyway!

GIVE US WHAT WE WANT. There are enough serious games out there for the serious players, now lets market to the other market!

Thats okay mate, yeah i've been reading the dark ages website for a while it was going to be one of the next ones i gave a shot to.  It seems pretty interesting how theres sooooo many classes that you can go and how you go against the other Realms. Very interesting.  One thing i was wondering though was HOW obsolete are a lot of these MMO's going to be by the end of the year with a whole batch of new ones coming out AND the WoW expansion.  The Burning Crusade is either going to really do some damage to other MMO's OR kill WoW.  It seems that Blizz may be getting lazy by not introducing any new classes even though they're introducing MOOOORE leveling up (which is basically pointless isn't it?) and new realms to adventure into.

Anyway, thanks for the tip, i'll keep reading about dark ages and hopefully meet some people that play it who can give me their opinions which is what i'd really prefer.

GoT

I'm kind of in the same boat, i'd love to see a non GRIND MMO.  But obviously its hard.  I found that even EVE had a bit of grinding as in having to do massive cargo runs that take ages (like 40 jumps and shite to get somewhere) or mining that takes ages and i just lost patience and after the trial period didn't continue. 

Also I'd like to see a game that has NON MASS party endgame stuff like WoW does.  That TO ME is MORE important than non Grind.  SHould i make a new thread to ask about this or is there one already created?

Point me in the right direction?

cheers,

GoT

Hey u two, thanks for the replies, makes me feel a bit better to know theres people that understand what im talking about.  I've spent ages talking to WoW addicts that i'm friends with about it and they also get it completely.  Most of them are so into it that its all that they ever want to talk about which is hard because im not in that scene anymore so i find it hard to get excited about their latest GRINDING achievements. 

I'm also a little depressed about the fact that i don't have a full time game to keep me involved since i've been doing it for so many years, since that day about 7 or 8 years ago when i first experienced counterstrike. Previous starcraft experience had clearly got me prepared for lanning but CS got me hooked with the net.  I just hope that some clever designers out there find a way to combine a great game for the hard core players that the people who want to take it easy can play too, something where you can put a lot of creativity into your character as well as impress with your gaming skills (which are fairly lacking in 40 man raids compared to 5 manners). I've had some ideas but i think sending them to blizzard would be silly. I think they'd either a, ignore them or b, be not allowed to use my ideas incase i ask for compensation. so dunno how far i'll go with it.

But its always good to talk about.

cheers,

GoT

Hi, im a new member and a bit edgy about posting incase i incur a minus penalty. I'm sure some clever person will now give me a minus anyway just for mentioning it but here goes my attempt at post number 1.

This WHOLE reason i found this site was because games stole my life away about 6 years ago.  Well, about 25 years ago really but i started serious gaming about 6 years ago when introduced to counterstrike when it was in its Beta.  (its okay, im heading towards mmorpg banta)  This led me to start and run a counterstrike LAN called chookgamerz (see chookgamerz.com) and then once i gave the LAN off to a friend i moved interstate and started (shock horror) an internet cafe!!  Yes, for a couple of reasons, one of them being so that i could live my dream and play games FULL TIME.  Which i did for the following four years.  I played Counterstrike, Warcraft III/TFT, Magic ONLINE and Ragnarok Online for the majority of that time (as well as real dice D&D which meant i would later look foward to the realease of DDO).

WoW was the last game i played and i left it for a new paragraph because it gave my life back, un-intentionally.  The build up was huge, i knew about WoW early due to rumours on the net and then followed the buildup of WoW for at least a few years, i rightly cannot remember how long since i first heard rumours to when Blizzard first made a /wow wite on their webpage. (can anyone give me some historical dates here.)  Rumours were spread far and wide and only about half of them came true, although later chatting with a Blizzard employee who also 'played' WoW (before being employed was an alpha tester for all blizzard games starting with starcraft) proved that some rumours were TRUE!!!! but were not followed thru.  SUCH as the fact taht Boats were going to be included as Mounts in the original concept, small rowboats to travel up and down rivers and such.  I'm not sure what benefit they would have had or HOW they would have worked if they would have worked like griffins or what BUT they were never used.  The orginal Alpha i BELIEVE had the characters level to 10 but the boats couldn't be purchased yet from the shed where they were being sold.  BUT just LIKE the SEIGE TANKS that could be seen for 1000 gold in the Open Beta (which i was juicing up over) you could go to the shop and view them.  I could kill Blizzard for taking such temptations away from me... curses to ye!!

Anyway... i soon became embroiled in what would later be called "Guild Dramas" and was a guild leader for a year and a half before eventually quitting WoW and now games all together.  I sporadically play Magic Online still and am waiting with abated breath for version THREE.  Why did i quit wow?  Because i didnt have 4 to 5 nights a week to seriously put into the game and couldn't professionally raid or lead raids.  I was either too busy working in my shop, or on my days off with someone else working and i never played PC games on my days off instead spending them with an ungrateful friend (another matter but related thus the mention).  Also i got sick of the G R I N D.  I gotta space that word out because its the cause to the END (END) <END> [END] of my gaming life!!!  I just cant stand the friggin endless grinding in MMO's.  I have become distraught about the fact that no games are entertaining me anymore.  I LOVE online gaming because you play with real people and it will forever FASCINATE me because i come from that unique agegroup (im 29 if you wanna check) that was not only introduced to Online Multiplayer gaming during their early 20's but introduced to computer games during the primary school age ... bom bom bom... IN THE HOME!!!   What i've done since quitting games is search for something that can meet the following requirements for ME.. FOR ME....

1. ONLINE and MULTI PLAYER

2. FUN

3. GOOD Character Creation allowing creation of a very unique LOOKING character and unique SKILLED character.

4. Small Monthly fee or no fee

5. No need for Grinding to get anywhere

6. More to the end game then endless big party raiding.

IF anyone can point me in the right direction in what to give a TRIAL to i'd appreciate it.  So far i've trialed DDO and EVE and quit both of them already.  Just can't handle and don't like certain aspects of those games. Please note also when looking at my 6 criteria that i didn't mention COMBAT.  I don't care if its combat or not and i WILL be giving Uru Online a go once its out jsut to see if its what im after... maybe it will be but previous URU graphics and info didn't impress me, this new one had better be ..... better.

anyway... good to make my first post, hope i dont get overly flamed by all you MMO pros :) have fun...

GoT