It would be completely boring if you walked right in to face the boss - anti-climactic.

Think of every cop show or movie ever... hell, think of Batman. There are always henchmen to deal with first.

Also it's clear the author hasn't played WoW for... years. The "non-tag" named boss mechanic has been in since Wrath.

My God man... no exploration!?!

You can spend HOURS pouring over nooks and crannies of the zones, finding hidden areas and scrolls of lore, not to mention unqiue hidden items in the world and rare NPCs that give you awesome vanity rewrds.

Exploration is better than it's ever been in WoW!

Cata was linear. But the questing is perfect in MoP. 

Notice how the zone achievements are based on "storyline" completion now, not numbers of quests. This is because there are 10-20 storyline quests in every zone that, yes, do depend on progression to tell them - and they are brilliant.

You're still free to skip any of the storylines or stop along the way at any point- there is just as much flexibility as before, but with 10x better storytelling. 

If all you're missing is the "Go kill 10 tigers" for no reason, why do you need a quest for that? Just go out and grind.

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by Lethality

For anyone reading this looking to purchase the game, here's the best review I can give:

 

It's closer to Diablo 3 than an MMO if that helps.

 

 

- Lobby based

- Non-persistant

- extremely gear & stat dependant

- real money AH

- isometric view

- No PvP whatsoever

- extensive gear grinding in order to progress past X point

- 99% of stuff that drops is completely useless, including the uniques

- 100% linear with only one method of leveling

- so terrible that the staff pretty much came out and said "yeah we screwed up, we need to redo a huge portion of the game" due to pissed off fans of the series

That sounds EXACTLY like GW2. /sarcasm

 

It's the gameplay... hack/slash/grind and no RPG elements involved. As a matter of fact, Diablo 3 does RPG better than GW2.

It's simply not an MMORPG as people would expect.

For anyone reading this looking to purchase the game, here's the best review I can give:

It's closer to Diablo 3 than an MMO if that helps.

Sorry, these "pros" need explaining:

- Worthwhile crafting

- Fantastic story & dungeons

No way, in no how are either of those objectively true.

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Originally posted by Lethality

Originally posted by evilprey

Cata sold 3,3 mil. after 1 day

Panda sold 2,7 mil. after 1 week

I think this is a huge regress

In the same time GW2 is close to sell 3 mil .

GW2 had ten times smaller budget then panda and Blizz had (as they said) 9 mil. subs .

I think wow will loose 2-3 mil.subs in 1 year

 

 

Uh, GW2 isnt anywhere close to 3 million... barely 2 million at a month. Until they release in China you will not see measureable GW2 growth, it is in decline.

GW2 isn't a sub based game.  Their total box sales can't decline ...

They're player engagement can, however. And it is, by about 80%.

This chart doesn't even show the GW2 weekend launch peak... so, yeah.

http://beta.xfire.com/games/gw2

Originally posted by evilprey

Cata sold 3,3 mil. after 1 day

Panda sold 2,7 mil. after 1 week

I think this is a huge regress

In the same time GW2 is close to sell 3 mil .

GW2 had ten times smaller budget then panda and Blizz had (as they said) 9 mil. subs .

I think wow will loose 2-3 mil.subs in 1 year

 

 

Uh, GW2 isnt anywhere close to 3 million... barely 2 million at a month. Until they release in China you will not see measureable GW2 growth, it is in decline.

Blizzard likes to refer to their storytelling as "story throgh demonstration" which is exactly what you saw with the DK starter area.

This has been prevalent in WoW ever since, there were many epic moments in Cataclysm where, while you're in the action, the story is being played out to you... I think, without question, this is the best presentation layer of stgory I've seen in an MMO. If you haven't leveled through Cataclysm, you owe it to yourself to do so.

They took it a bit "too far" in Cata at some points though, especially in Uldum, because there were some cutscenes there that took control away from your character, which is what I don't like. They should tell it to you in the game world, with you in control of your character.

That's what makes TOR and all BioWare games so... boring to me is that if I wanted to watch actors tell me a story, I'd watch a movie. Instead, I want to EXPERIENCE the story as it's unfolding, and no one does that better than Blizzard.

Originally posted by IceAge

Originally posted by Lethality

Originally posted by IceAge

Originally posted by QuicklyScott

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I have done no research so I'm only repeating numebrs that have been thrown around here for years.

If GW2, has currently sold 2M boxes, how many boxes has WoW sold?

If 10M players bought the original game plus 3, now 4 expanisons, we are looking at not 10M boxes but multiples of 10M boxes.

Like what 40M boxes over the years?

It is estimated WoW sold between 60-80 million boxes.

It's a VERY bad estimation. People from Asia does not buy boxes, you got that?

Sure they do. 

Pleadse read my previous reply and link proofs please, that Asian ( China and S. Korea )  players from i-caffe ( which are the majority ) are buying Boxes!

It's not about the box, its about the license. That's what "box" means in the biz, YOU GOT THAT?

Originally posted by IceAge

Originally posted by QuicklyScott

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I have done no research so I'm only repeating numebrs that have been thrown around here for years.

If GW2, has currently sold 2M boxes, how many boxes has WoW sold?

If 10M players bought the original game plus 3, now 4 expanisons, we are looking at not 10M boxes but multiples of 10M boxes.

Like what 40M boxes over the years?

It is estimated WoW sold between 60-80 million boxes.

It's a VERY bad estimation. People from Asia does not buy boxes, you got that?

Sure they do. 

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by Lethality

Originally posted by Galadourn

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by fatboy21007
Look out WoW,  some1 is gaining steam XD

WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will

define 'ever'....

Let's put it this way... even after everyone tires of WoW,  because the game is so good and has so many fans, it will never, ever get lower than 2-3 million subscribers... ever.

Guild Wars 2 is just selling boxes, there's no way to measure the number of "players" and it's doubtful ArenaNet will ever need to report that since it has nothing to do with financials. So we'll never know how many people are playing.  

For example, I bought it, but I've already uninstalled it.

 

 

Sorry WoW only has 3-4 million subs across NA and EU.  The rest of WoW's subs are from penny an hour internet cafes in Asia.

Nope.

Originally posted by Stx11

Originally posted by Lethality

Originally posted by Foomerang

Grats Anet! I wonder how many people are actually playing.

They'll never tell us, that's the problem.

http://www.guildfans.com/story.html?story=30544

"The 400,000 concurrent player record set over the headstart weekend has been repeatedly matched in the first two weeks of the game's life. Considering that ArenaNet suspended sales of the game to ensure server limits were not taxed beyond the sanctity of player enjoyment, the figures are quite astonishing."

We'll see if they keep announcing things going forward. We'll also see if Blizzard ever releases NA/EU-only Sub Numbers.

Concurrent is different that players. They need to provide a definition of "active players" to determine how popular the game is.

Blizzard has already defined subscribers.  

Plus let's see it a year, not 2 weeks in. Hell, even 2 weeks after launch, TOR looked like a blockbuster.

All I can say is, remember how excited TOR fans were when they sold 2.2 million, but the realities of the longevity weren't apprent yet. I was one of those fanboys.

Just sayin - this launch period isn't indicative of the long-term success they need.

Originally posted by Foomerang

Grats Anet! I wonder how many people are actually playing.

They'll never tell us, that's the problem.

Originally posted by Nikkita

 

7 million total in GW1 sales. Acording to your logic regarding Diablo, GW1 too also has an established fan base so it should have sold a lot more then?

 

Yeah they seem to gloss over this. The minute you say GW1 was a minor game, they say BUT IT SOLD 7 MILLOIN!N!N!#!@!

And as soon as GW2 doesn't sell 7 million, they say NTO AS BIG AS DIABLO LOLOLLO

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Eir_S

How did I know there would be people in this thread acting like 2 million sales is a bad thing?

Seriously, just stop, it's embarrassing.  Way to go, ANet.

I know right?  It's like people are really pissed off with another games success.

No, not pissed about the success, but definitely don't want what I feel to be an inferior feature set and level of quality to set anhy kind of standard for the industry. It's not an MMO game I like to play, therefore I don't want to see more of them.

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Lethality

Originally posted by tawess

Originally posted by gravesworn

You have to compare it to non-sub sales like Diablo III, or even console games... in comparison, these sales numbers pale.

Why would you do that?  If you are going to compare sales, you need to stick within the genre, which is MMORPG. 

You can't because the revenue models aren't the same... the genre has nothing to do with it.