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every time i read the OPs posts, i want to break something.

 

Its like he finds some random tidbit of knowledge on the web and thinks he finds the holy grail, no matter how bad of an idea it is or how unrelated it is to what he is trying to accomplish.

you have never experienced egosoft launches before huh?

 

i have a thousand hours combined in 2 x3 games, even i know to wait a month or two after any egosoft game launch. they are always a buggy mess. Never expect to buy egosoft games until after they cleaned it up, or if you do buy at launch, then be prepared for it.

 

Like i said, i own the entire X series, spend hundreds of hours in them. LOVE THEM. But never buy them the first month.

Originally posted by Ridelynn

Is it faster? Sure

But not by heaps. You only see significant gains in DX11-specific stuff.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/509?vs=550

With a 6970, I wouldn't look to upgrade until either Titan/780 gets a lot cheaper, or something with that level of power comes around to make everything get cheaper.

That may come with AMD pushes their new GPUs out this fall/winter - maybe it won't be an AMD GPU, but it may just be that nVidia drops their prices enough to make it more worthwhile. If not then, then probably in the next generation of cards (a year or so out).

Personally, I have a 6970 as well, and I bought it on the day they released in Dec 2010. There are a few things I can't MAX MAX on, but it still runs everything more than adequately for me at 1920x1200, and most things on Very High if not MAX MAX if I chose to do so. I'm hoping to get another year or two out of it, and it's looking like I'll be able to unless software drastically changes next year (it may, with the new consoles, radically shift to DX11 but I kinda doubt it will go so fast that I need to suddenly upgrade to play a title).

Yeah but you are also talking about a  $400 difference between the 7950 and the 780....thats not even in the same budgetary ballpark

Why is it when one guy asks questions about a specific brand, the other side's fanbois always have to come roaring in. He wasnt asking about nvidia at all.
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Originally posted by Dutchman87

I went  from a 4870 to a 6870. Prolly gonna wait for the 8k series for an upgrade. At 1920x1080 I haven't found a game I can't max out. Most games I'm CPU and not GPU bound on anyway. I cant see buying another card for a while yet.

You are going to be waiting forever than...the 8000 series is strictly mobile ;) and no 9000 series (Renamed R-900, etc)

 

I am buying the same card OP....researched the 7950 to death and the sapphire seems to be the most balanced power/heat/noise card around.

meh....some games like TES i enjoy following a story or adventure more than failing. OTher games like X3 i enjoy the "realism" of my consequences. Honestly there are plenty examples of both. In mmorpgs its virtually impossible to directly affect major items because you could be ruining games for thousands of others....so you cannot apply this thinking to mmos.

 

Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by miagisan
Originally posted by Quizzical

Neither AMD nor Intel makes processors specifically targeted at desktops anymore.  Probably the last such chip was Thuban (Phenom II X6), which AMD released in 2010.  And it doesn't look likely that there will be any more such chips in the foreseeable future, either.

Intel's Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, and Haswell chips, like AMD's Llano, Trinity, and Richland, are first and foremost laptop chips.  See, for example, how the primary focus of Haswell was bringing down idle power consumption--something that does not matter at all in a desktop.  Both AMD and Intel sell desktop versions of the same chips, but that's just taking the laptop chip and clocking and volting it higher.

AMD's FX chips, like Intel's Gulftown, Sandy Bridge-E, and Ivy Bridge-E, are primarily server chips.  The Intel chips are marketed as Xeon E5 series.  The problem here is that AMD's server chips are highly unprofitable, as they're far inferior to Intel's.  And if AMD kept releasing them, the problem would likely only get worse.  AMD right now has both an inferior CPU architecture, and also has to build it on an inferior process node.  While I expect AMD to narrow the gap in CPU architecture with the launch of Kaveri, the process node disadvantage is only going to widen in the near future.

Right now, AMD's chips are on 28 and 32 nm process nodes, while Intel is on 22 nm.  Furthermore, Intel is moving to 14 nm next year.  AMD has to rely on other fabs to build their chips (currently Global Foundries and TSMC, though they could switch to someone else if so inclined), and the other fabs aren't much interested in talking about their upcoming 20 nm process nodes.  Rather, the focus is on how great 16 nm (TSMC) and 14 nm (Global Foundries, IBM, Samsung) are going to be, once they get FinFETs.  For example, Global Foundries offers something like 6 different 28 nm process nodes.  They're only going to offer one 20 nm node, and don't seem convinced that it will be any good.  But they're working on six different 14 nm process nodes already, as they need the FinFETs and EUV lithography that will be available then, but not sooner.

Once everything gets to 14/16 nm, AMD might well not trail so perilously behind Intel in process nodes.  And once Moore's Law dies off, AMD might well have just as good of process nodes available as Intel.  But even the first of those are a ways off, and any server-oriented products that AMD launches in the meantime would probably be massive money-losers.  So AMD might well have canceled them.  And you can't release a desktop version of a server chip that you didn't make.

AMD isn't abandoning the server market entirely.  They are, however, changing their focus to APUs, for server applications that can leverage the GPU.  They've already made Kabini, and will finish Kaveri soon, so releasing server versions of both chips doesn't cost them much.  Kabini could also be a nifty server product for programs that are fine with a zillion low power, low performance cores, but need stronger CPU cores than ARM can provide.

so are the APus being released (Kaveri) be significantly more powerful than the current generation APU? Cause using my Phenom 965 atm i see no reason to go to an APU yet.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the top bin desktop Kaveri (A10-7800K?) will be roughly competitive on the CPU side with a Core i5-4440, which is a lower clocked Haswell quad core (turbo up to 3.3 GHz).  AMD will narrow the gap with Intel substantially, but not catch up.  Kaveri will launch early next year.

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I should probably back up and observe that AMD has announced a new 12/16 core server chip (two dies, so the desktop version will be 6 or 8 cores) for next year with Piledriver cores.  It will probably mean that they replace the current Vishera chip with the tweaked Piledriver cores in Richland.  So that will presumably come to desktops as well, likely early next year.  But that will only mean an extra ~5% performance or so as compared to current generation FX processors.

Thanks Quiz

Originally posted by Quizzical

Neither AMD nor Intel makes processors specifically targeted at desktops anymore.  Probably the last such chip was Thuban (Phenom II X6), which AMD released in 2010.  And it doesn't look likely that there will be any more such chips in the foreseeable future, either.

Intel's Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, and Haswell chips, like AMD's Llano, Trinity, and Richland, are first and foremost laptop chips.  See, for example, how the primary focus of Haswell was bringing down idle power consumption--something that does not matter at all in a desktop.  Both AMD and Intel sell desktop versions of the same chips, but that's just taking the laptop chip and clocking and volting it higher.

AMD's FX chips, like Intel's Gulftown, Sandy Bridge-E, and Ivy Bridge-E, are primarily server chips.  The Intel chips are marketed as Xeon E5 series.  The problem here is that AMD's server chips are highly unprofitable, as they're far inferior to Intel's.  And if AMD kept releasing them, the problem would likely only get worse.  AMD right now has both an inferior CPU architecture, and also has to build it on an inferior process node.  While I expect AMD to narrow the gap in CPU architecture with the launch of Kaveri, the process node disadvantage is only going to widen in the near future.

Right now, AMD's chips are on 28 and 32 nm process nodes, while Intel is on 22 nm.  Furthermore, Intel is moving to 14 nm next year.  AMD has to rely on other fabs to build their chips (currently Global Foundries and TSMC, though they could switch to someone else if so inclined), and the other fabs aren't much interested in talking about their upcoming 20 nm process nodes.  Rather, the focus is on how great 16 nm (TSMC) and 14 nm (Global Foundries, IBM, Samsung) are going to be, once they get FinFETs.  For example, Global Foundries offers something like 6 different 28 nm process nodes.  They're only going to offer one 20 nm node, and don't seem convinced that it will be any good.  But they're working on six different 14 nm process nodes already, as they need the FinFETs and EUV lithography that will be available then, but not sooner.

Once everything gets to 14/16 nm, AMD might well not trail so perilously behind Intel in process nodes.  And once Moore's Law dies off, AMD might well have just as good of process nodes available as Intel.  But even the first of those are a ways off, and any server-oriented products that AMD launches in the meantime would probably be massive money-losers.  So AMD might well have canceled them.  And you can't release a desktop version of a server chip that you didn't make.

AMD isn't abandoning the server market entirely.  They are, however, changing their focus to APUs, for server applications that can leverage the GPU.  They've already made Kabini, and will finish Kaveri soon, so releasing server versions of both chips doesn't cost them much.  Kabini could also be a nifty server product for programs that are fine with a zillion low power, low performance cores, but need stronger CPU cores than ARM can provide.

so are the APus being released (Kaveri) be significantly more powerful than the current generation APU? Cause using my Phenom 965 atm i see no reason to go to an APU yet.

Originally posted by Riposte.This
you can't argue with the i5 price and performance. i5 on sale for around 215 usually, out performs the other AMD chips in that price by a long shot.

THis isnt a amd vs intel thread...I am strictly looking for AMD info. But thanks.

Originally posted by lafaiel

 The steamroller cpu's are supposed to be the next step in their desktop cpu's for the non apu segment.  I'm pretty much like you, been using amd since my pentium II as well lol, run my 955 at 3.8 and it works great for now.

  I'm personally working on  an FX 8350 build and going to overclock it, but waiting on water cooling parts to come in yet.

Any news on their performance yet or is it still hush hush until closer to their release?

I just hope AMD gets back into the desktop gaming chips again, I love their pricepoints and performance ratio. For now i'll stick with my Phenom, until something comes out along the lines of the FX series (would love an updated phenom series). With 8 core processors now becoming norm for consoles, games are going to start heavily gearing to those types of processors, and i feel we are going to need to move over as well at some point.

True...and i was afraid you would say that :( i been an AMD cpu user since my last intel Pentium 2 (blech!).

 

Will their upcoming APUs perhaps crossfire with the 7900 series? as of right now theb est you could crossfire with an APU is 6700 series. 

I am about to pull the trigger on a AMD HD7950, and i still have am using a AMD Phenom II x4 965 BE. I can overclock it easily to 3.8-4ghz...so i am in no rush to upgrade it. But i am looking to the upcoming AMD chips to see if they entice me at all. Not looking at the Kaveri APUs since I am gonna have a kickass vid card, but, I cant seem to find any info on their upcoming "FX" like chips (rumor is the FX is being discontinued). 

 

Any info on what the upcoming non APU chips are looking like for 2014?

as others have mentioned...i would go with the fx 6300 rather than the 8350, with an ASROCK mobo in the budget build. The ASROCK + 6300 make for a good budget build, getting good parts (I love ASROCK boards) and gives you lots of overclock room for future proofing.

 

AMD 7950 vid card in the high end.

 

 

payment model is not an issue. If the game is fun or not is all i care about. Man you people are fickle.
Originally posted by Deivos

Here ye go.

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/49111/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/49112/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/49113/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/

 

EDIT: Let me clarify that I am not in agreement with any notion, simply providing a link to (arguably) more reliable numbers.

 

If i am to state anything from a personal frame of reference, it is that the game outsold on the console in comparison to the PC, but the user base and play time is vastly different. You very simply are not likely to see people playing that game on the console for 500+ hours like you have on the PC(or the fact you have people still playing Morrowind).

 

The reason (in large part the modability) is something that's put the fanbase on the PC as considerably more dedicated.

 

How that plays into or against TESO is a bit of a jumble that would take a very long post, which I'm not about to write.

Not that i care in any way, shape or form....but vgchartz does not cover steam (if i am not mistaken), so we dont know the actual steam sales numbers

So unwarranted hype with no basis of factuality.

 

Great, and i was looking forward to this game being a HUGE EQ fan :(

Originally posted by TheScavenger
Originally posted by craftseeker
Originally posted by Latronus
Originally posted by TheScavenger

It will be the...well...NEXT big thing.

When the info is released on EQNext, WoW is gonna take a dump in subscribers. Its going to force Blizzard to not only put in a cash shop (that they are doing anyway), but going free to play.

EQNext will make those who were burned by SWG...completely forgive SOE and hop on the EQNext train.

Now maybe the information isn't released quite yet, but I just know, and I have complete faith in SOE that EQNext will be the biggest MMO in history. It will surpass even the biggest MMO, WoW at its peak, with the amount of people that will be playing EQNext.

So excited. :D I know many people will leave their MMOs once EQNext information is out. And even more will leave when EQNext is released. I haven't looked forward this much, to any game for years :D SOE will revolutionize and make their mark on MMO history :D I just know it! :D

Really?  Please tell me there is sarcasm in there, a lot of sarcasm.

Either that or someone is indulging in a serious fantasy.  Maybe in a month or two someone could get excited enough to make this sort of statement but at the moment it is complete fantasy.

Even MMORPG said they hadn't seen an MMORPG like EQNext before, or something along those lines. But wait till they release the info :D I know EQNext is gonna be amazing :D Even MMORPG.com were excited about it, and they don't get excited often.

there has been 0 information released or anything shown about the game. It could be a linear sidescroller for all we know...how can we make any claims on HOW IT WILL BE?

sorry but it is exactly like skyrim with softer targeting.
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