Originally posted by Gormok

Well first off let me say; I don't normally agree with a lot of the ToR bashers on these forums, but in this regard to WoW clone and BW not changing things up. It looks like the trolls and ToR bashers where right, BW are following in the exact same footsteps as WoW and Rift. Basically if you want good gear in ToR it's raid or pvp,even crafting good gear means you have to raid for the mats. So it looks like the solo players gets it up the rear once again, you only have two options in which to progress your character at endgame. PvP or raid, I like raiding and I like pvp but I don't like for that to be the only option as far as progression goes. I have been doing that same old song and dance for the last ten years and quiet frankly it loses it's appeal very quickly, the whole solo planet thing is probably nothing but a daily quest grind as is seen in WoW and Rift. Well it looks like ToR might be off the table for me, seeing as to how I am pretty much tired and burnt out on the whole raid and pvp gear grind. Here are some links and quotes for those that are interested.

 

http://darthhater.com/2011/08/28/pax...on-live-blogs/

http://darthhater.com/2011/08/28/pax...eet-live-blog/

 

11:14a - Q: Can moddable armor compete with Operations gear? JO: Only if you get mods or materials from operations. Crafters can build Operation-level gear with operations mats. Can't avoid Operations if you want endgame gear.

8:52p - Q: How are we tracking things to balance crafting, raiding, different playstyles?
8:52p - A: We have a lot of analytics to track things like this. Lots of dashboards we look at. Lots of internal metrics. We don't want tons of nerfing going on. Though that does happen in MMOs because they are rebalancing as an MMO grows over time.

8:53p - JO: The best gear in the game is going to come from the PvE Operations. So if you want to have the best gear in the game, you have to do Operations. You can also get gear that is nearly as good, but more specialized, from the PvP game. Those are our two highest stat gear and they're also the gear that we've reserved some of the best appearances for.

8:54p - DE: The tier right under that, that you're going to need to go get into that Operation, you're going to come see me (the crafter).

8:54p - GA: There are several different slots, and there are some slots that remain specific for the crafters to help with the best PvE and PvP gear. The difference between the PvP and PvE gear is around 10%. And crafting can help support that in a couple of the slots. And we're trying around in testing just to figure out specifically what slots those are.

8:54p - JO: And one thing to mention is the moddable gear. The thing about moddable gear is you can mod it with mods that are at the highest level. So you can, for example, take 10th level Jedi Knight robes that look like what Obi Wan was wearing on Tatooine. Which doesn't look so hot. But once you put all the mods in it, it will actually be as strong as some gear that you've got from Operations. However, to get those mods, you have to do Operations. So it comes back to, if you want to have the best gear, you have to do the high level Operation content.

If you want to play ALONE then dont play a MMO...

From the looks of things, i believe it will do decent.. i mean by no means will it take over the market right away, but it has tons of pontential if Bioware can play the cards right

again, EA is just the money, it's biowares game

I think bioware wont release too much for the simple fact it will give the current market time to put something out

nothing is wrong, I see a new game that is about to come out just like every other game including WoW. even when WoW came out it had no PVP besides the open world. berly had any content. so stop whining and give ToR a chance.

I think the Huttball thing fits in the star wars lore quite well.. specially it being part of the Hutts.. makes sense

I mean thats the way most themeparks are, there really isnt a penalty for dieing, that kind of mechanic is dead and gone. even in RIFT you can res on the spot every 30mins

Originally posted by wolfneo
i just read the whole blog he linked too and have to say wow dude what you did was awesome! but at the same time you are embodying everything that F2P companies fear and that is a hardcore AH player. you see if players can trade cash shop items in the AH for gold are what ever the company makes less money. the whole point of an Cash shop is to make the company money if people like you can get it with out spending any money then the company doesn't make any money. also if you can do any other Hardcore AH player can and the more they are in game the less the company makes until they just go out of business. on the 1 hand what you did is awesome but on the other this can be made very ugly with this F2P companies can make Cash shop items BoPU and that just stops selling Cash items cold.

If they didn't want players selling cash shop items for in-game currency. they should have bound it to the buyer any way.. there is no reason to ban someone for your own games mechanic

Yes, I am in the same boat as you are. Being a SW fan only makes the game that much more exciting for me. Not only that, A Solid story line driven MMORPG has never been tried before, and if anyone bioware can deliver.

As far as GFX go, a lot of the people qqing are people that don't understand what actually goes into developing a game like this.. It's been in development for probably 5 years, so they are using the best engine available at the time they started the coding. but none the less, they look fine, and I can distinguish different types of armor unlike some games.. so I'm good with the GFX. Also the effects look mind blowing as well.

I am confident that SWToR will do fine along with it being an alright game. Having a KotOR with an end-game is going to be awesome.

I remember wanting to be a jedi consular before it was cool.

Originally posted by MaraGossep

Originally posted by Lygar
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Closing

WOW almost destroyed the MMORPG genre with its instant easy everything attitude. No game can undo WOWs damage by itself, its going to take a number of game slowly easing us back into previous levels of challenge and difficulty before the Genre is truely in a healthy state again.

TOR is simply a step in the right direction. 

I aggree that WoW did a lot of indirect damage to MMOG genre. (WoW is not an MMORPG).

1) they took the liberty to don't care about the RP part. The pace(mechanics) of modern MMOG's, leave little, if anytime to roleplay.

2) They took the liberty of not creating new mechanics, but only polishing on and to some degree evolving EQ's mechanics. Basics are still the same.

SWTOR is not different. So a strongly disaggree that it a step in the right direction. Because it is a step in the same direction as WoW.

I hope for new mechanics. Because to me, it feels like I am reading the same book over and over, only written by different authors, who just twist the story of the original author. (refererring to mechanics, not storyline.)

If you know about any game thinking outside this box (except for EVE, which I am highly familiar with), would you please be so kind to inform me. Because I really want to try something new, fresh and original !

I am very bored with 12 years old mechanics, constantly being presented in new clothings.

Help me out please !

 Good luck.

Number of games coming out next month. It's really personal preference just look around and play some demos and free games find what can tide you over.

Because, to the community now a day's even Call of Duty is a WoW clone...

Anynumber of sites can crossreference your wow info.. key loggers and other sites will try peoples log-in on wow. Get a FREE authenticator that you can put on what everyone has nowadays, a smart phone. stop whineing cause of your ignorance

Originally posted by Kain_Dale

good for those people who pre-ordered....

 

I would never buy a game that i never played... I rather beta or free-trial first....

 

 

Good luck to u guys that it is worth to your bang buck.

says the guy that will probably buy it

Trying a bunch of free MMO's, SC2, and some CoD

I think diablo 3 will be better for the simple fact its diablo.. and i don't mind not allowing mods or having to be online to play single player. makes the game all the better when it comes to not allowing people to have cheated characters.

Originally posted by skeaser

It's all about the story, for me. It's Bioware, it's The Old Republic, KOTOR was/is one of my favorite RPGs and now I can play with friends. /sold

Indeed.. and now it will be open endgame as well. well said

Ill buy both since GW2 will be B2P

All 'new' mmo's fail cause all these people are used to WoW and having their hands held through everything