Originally posted by Taiyoh

I'm so glad Amazon will be sending the game to me before the launch date.. So I will have the key before the Early Access ends.

Amazon told me that the arrival date would be Dec 22. How are they sending yours to you before the game goes live? 

Originally posted by Blackrayn

Originally posted by Gormok

What people are asking for here is a game within a game, I see a lot of comparisons between TOR space combat and SWG/JTL, but yet people are failing to mention that JTL was a full on expansion. A whole new box dedicated to space combat not a content patch, but a whole freaking box. People need to get over themselves and except it for what it is, just be lucky it's not like the space mini game in KoTOR, or better yet that there is space combat at all.

Look STO it has a fully fledged space experience and yet it is lacking in the ground combat department. ST revolves mostly around space and space exploration yet people complain about the lack of a ground game. When devs do these types of games it's hard to build them on two fronts, because time and resources are limited. MMO players in today's games demand to much, they want everything all at one time.

You people need to realize that there will be patches and there will be expansions, this I want it now mentality needs to stop. Apparently space combat wasnt that big of  deal for the general testers or the weekend testers, because I didn't see any  complains in game or on the beta boards regarding it.

 

 ^This to the "T"^

^^^^^ This this this.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Some of you posters just don't get it, it is Star Wars, it is all about space and to put a 1990's rendition of a space shooter in the game to represent that facet of the game is a trajedy by itself.

So what we end up with is Wow in a star wars setting.  If that is enough for you fine, but many of us were hoping for more considering it is about 10 years post SWG and the tools for making MMO's are lightyears beyond what the original SWG team had available to them.  Attempting to relate the initial SWG offering to today is absurd, that design team was very limited in what tools it had to work with.

Making excuses for Bioware, especially considering how much money they invested in this title, is ridiculous.  You can't just throw money at a project and expect it to be great, you have to also have a very knowledgable design team with a good plan, neither of which were evident in the design of this game.  Someone on the design team finally realized that the actual theme of the game was space and they had to throw something together quickly.  They would have been far better off just saying it would come later in an expansion.

This game should never get more than an 8 because they blew off the main theme of the game.

Tell me something... what MMO has actually delivered anything new in the last ten years? In fact, they have slowly been removing what most considered to be features. 

At least this game TRIES to do something different. You just don't like what its offering. Stop acting like your opinion is the be all end all of gaming.

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by onthestick

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Some of you posters just don't get it, it is Star Wars, it is all about space and to put a 1990's rendition of a space shooter in the game to represent that facet of the game is a trajedy by itself.

So what we end up with is Wow in a star wars setting.  If that is enough for you fine, but many of us were hoping for more considering it is about 10 years post SWG and the tools for making MMO's are lightyears beyond what the original SWG team had available to them.  Attempting to relate the initial SWG offering to today is absurd, that design team was very limited in what tools it had to work with.

Making excuses for Bioware, especially considering how much money they invested in this title, is ridiculous.  You can't just throw money at a project and expect it to be great, you have to also have a very knowledgable design team with a good plan, neither of which were evident in the design of this game.  Someone on the design team finally realized that the actual theme of the game was space and they had to throw something together quickly.  They would have been far better off just saying it would come later in an expansion.

This game should never get more than an 8 because they blew off the main theme of the game.

 

This is 100% false.  You obviously aren't very familiar with the Star Wars IP.  It's a Sci-Fi setting, not a space setting.  And yes, there is a difference.  

I would love if there was more to the space combat.  But this is an entirely different game than STO, and it's an entirely different setting.  Unless they wanted to stay in developement for another year or two, you concentrate on the main emphasis, which in Star Wars, is LAND-BASED GAMEPLAY.  Then you can buff up the space part of the game in later updates or expansions.  

Hell, SWG didn't even release with space combat.  I suppose SoE was wrong too, huh?  Tell that to all the pre-nge folks.

Really?  Have you ever watched a Star Wars Movie?  The first three movies were all about space and combat it it.  I wish Lucas never made the last three as they were a definite step down.  So don't attempt to lecture us about the Star Wars IP, it is a definite space setting a good percentage of the time.

Nuh huh... nope.

 

Star Wars A New Hope: Starts with the in space capture of Princes Leia's friggate. Ends with the epic space battle to destroy the Deathstar.

 

The Empire Strikes Back: The Escape from Hoth which while not an epic, at least not on screen, space battle, does bring us quite a bit of space action in the crew of the Millenium Falcon, trying to escape the Empire's battle fleet.

 

Return of the Jedi: Culminates with the Battle of Endor. A massive ground offensive plus an epic space battle to destroy Deathstar II.

 

The Phantom Menace: Starts with Naboo being blockaded by the Trade Federation IN SPACE, ends with a rather campy space battle where young Anakin helps destroy aforementioned Trade Federation Blockade.

 

Attack of the Clones. Relatively space action free, with one small scene involving Obi Wans trip to Genosha.

 

Revenge of the Sith: Starts with the epic space battle against the Separatists fleet.

 

So while I disagree with Oz that the core of the Star Wars story revolves around space (because the story actually revolves around the characters, a large part of the series's charm), there is still a hell of a lot of it shown in the core films. So making a Star Wars based game not involving space is going to raise a big ol red question mark to many fans.

 

None of which actually matters as the discussion at hand is about the individual poster's opinions about the quality of the mini space game Bioware DID add. Personally I feel it is rubbish. NOT because it isn't a full fledged space game, but because it is a crap mini game little better than similar tunnel shooter arcade games almost twenty years old.

 

 

 

Wow, great job totally ignoring everything that happened in between.

Originally posted by Timacek

Originally posted by unclemo

This is not an MMO for adults.

 

agree 100 percent. Its dumbed down for kids game, just like wow. And the game is already doomed IMHO, because that 6mil grew up after the past years and want something more now.. 

Yet again, another personal opinion stated as fact.

You don't like it then don't play it. It really is as simple as that.

For what it is, its actually quite fun, other than the need to constantly be clicking. Hopefully they will expand on space combat sometime in the future.

Originally posted by haibane

Most retailers like Amazon and all are supposed to deliver the box by the day of the pre-launch (originally 13th) so it shouldn't be an issue ?

I'm more concerned about EA support and lack of skill tho. They already managed to screw my account preorder-wise and i had to create a new one (amazon sent me a wrong key, EA removed it from Origin but didn't fix swtor website, so i couldn't enter my new key...).

They are the most unskilled piece of trash when it comes to release and support, just remember the mess of BF3 release in non-uk Europe, where basically anyone who didn't buy on Origin had to wait 24 hours to play cuz their key could not be pushed in.

I kinda predict the same for SW:TOR, for anyone (including me) who didn't (or couldn't due to their shitty "payment authorization failed") buy from Origin will just be screwed on release day when they key-in their CD-key. We'll see (again) the infamous never-ending refresh animation, then the nice little pop-up saying "yeah we know we got problem with key authentification".

I hope they learnt from BF3 Europe disaster and will get their stuff straight because EA = 0 skill. Bioware better beware.

Really? My Amazon CE order says its supposed to arrive on Dec 22.

As for EA, we've barely heard a peep out of them. Calm down. 

Originally posted by Toto020

Well unfortunately, you got me there, i guess all the posts from people in the Game test forum indicating they are cancelling or talking about many of the failings fails to prove to you... 

Oh no, you get a pass because it can't be shared here...  But...  there is a poll I found recently in the forum that shows over 30% beleive the game will be F2P within a short period of time...  If you're a tester you can find it.

I also think it's funny Bioware is wiping the forums before the game goes live so that people not involved in beta can't see that they ignored us when they log in the first time.

if you enjoyed it great, I'm sure BW and EA appreciate your money and vaidation that mediocre work is acceptable as long as the license is available. 

 

Not as many as you're pretending there were. And thats the truth. 

Originally posted by uller30
@ kalinis wer all fing trolls from lil trolls to huge tard spasma trolls
Also wow is just a bemch mark please pleople look around Amd v I7's quad core fights.
Chrystlers looking damn close to Bentleys. Puff grow up u trolls

......... wth did you just say? 

No, I'm really curious. It's like a bunch of words thrown together that mean nothing. I'm only 35 and have been playing mmo's since 1999, but I don't understand a word of that. 

Originally posted by Toto020

Without going into details about the game and the testing process, i will tell you this game is a joke.  If they launch with what I played in beta i believe many of you will turn in your subscriptions within a month. 

Unfortunately, this game lacks many of the features that MMO's have after 2005 and after 5 years and $80 million spent on the project I'm suprised Lucas let them get away with it.

Believe me when I say that I would rather play KOTOR I or II, as it is a better gaming experience and provides more options for the player.

Now there are those that are and will be faithful to Bioware and EA, but I would rather play a game in which the Devs do not ignore creative and constructive feedback provided by testers and fans of the lore to make a solid experience. 

All in all a 6 out of 10 and I'm being generous.  Sorry Bioware but it'll go F2P within the year...

And that is YOUR OPINION and nothing more. I beta'd this game too. Its very good. Yes, they are missing some features, but I haven't had this much fun in an MMO since '99. 

roflmao. This is a brilliant fantastic article. Glad they let you post it. Excellent. 

Very nice. I can't wait for live.

Good write up, but I'd like to point out the reason why there isn't so many modifications. In build one and two, everything could be modded all the way up to the top level. You could keep any given gear pretty much however long you wanted. The only difference was that they had fewer bonuses to start with, you had to constantly modify your gear, and you still probably wouldn't quite be able to compete with the best gear in the game. 

And the players flipped out over it saying that there were too many mods, so in build three (I think) they almost completely removed modded items and mods from the game, but that went totally the wrong direction. 

I honestly still don't know what the problem was with the original system. I quite liked it and didn't mind all the extra mods at all.

The new system that the devs have come up with is an attempt at a middle ground that they hope will make everyone happy.

For me? I just want them to add the "match to chestpiece" thing we had up until last the last two builds. You could match all your armor to your chest piece so you didn't look like a rainbow. 

Originally posted by Thodra

Glad i don't play this game anymore. SWTOR ftw

 

^^^^^ THIS, definitely this.

Originally posted by fatboy21007

personally, i hope CCP cuts funding to dust and WOD and goes back n stays at eve like they did before. They tried to use eve to fund 2 other games and dev teams, as u all seen the outcome isnt pretty. They need to save money to fund these projects and not slam it on eve. Eve is their only true income, screwing with that income cane kill ur entire company in a heart beat. Someday Wod will come out, but not untill they are in the green , which will take along time as wod and dust almost sent them bankrupt a few times already.

What they need to do is stop bothering with Dust and go with the WoD. WoD has a guaranteed player base, especially if they carry out what they promised.

Originally posted by Xthos

I am interested in this game, but I am weary of only having one race choice to start...

I also see no chance of a 2012 release, I have seen nothing to show they are very far past the concept stage.

 

Have you ever played Vampire before? Who cares about the one race when there is so many other options. This is not a typical game system. Its very freeform in comparison to any other system. You won't feel limited.

According to the employees, you will start as a human being. The way I'm understanding it, you will need to consent to being turned into a vampire. That means you can play the whole game as a regular old human if you want. And they are including ALL of vampire, not just part. So you will probably be able to be Camarilla, Sabbat, or Anarch, possibly other sects as well. There 13 official vampire clans, but a good dozen bloodlines. You could be any of them. 

Once again, please stop making things up and actually learn about whats being said.

Originally posted by itgrowls

Absolutely NOT holding my breath for this game for a very very long time and here's why. They refused to include at least one of the other factions as playable. They didn't have to put the wraiths constructs fae or even the mages into the game, all they had to do is at least include the hunters, i mean gimme a break we all know Vamps are hunted by hunters it's a given.

Ummm, wow. Just wow. Just a suggestion... stop thinking in only the immediate. There is a bigger picture here, What is it with so many people in this world only being able to think in immediate terms instead of figuring in the big picture. Its particularly rife on the internet. 

So, since some seem to have refused to think beyond exactly whats written and about how MMO's work...

They said that it would be VtM to start. NOT for all time. I have been to con's to see and hear WW and CCP employees talk. 

Vtm is their single biggest seller of all time. That's the game they started with, its the first game they revamped when they went NWOD, and it only makes sense that the first game they start with for an MMO will be Vampire.

But, just like pen and paper games, other supernaturals can be added later as expansions of the system. They have NO Intention of this game remaining only about Vampire. 

Think. Please. 

As to the last few replies, you hit the nail on the head. I don't know of anyone that has any desire to play Dust. In fact, I didn't even know that game existed until they said they would put off the development turning one of the biggest pen and paper game systems of all time into an MMO to make it. Its a stupid move, and I can't believe I'm saying that since I'm such a huge WW fan but I have to admit that ending the OWOD wasn't the brightest idea either. 

Originally posted by Asamof

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Oh knock it off. Sick of hearing it. If you don't like it, don't play it, and don't reply to threads on it. It is not a wow clone. I hate wow. If it was, I wouldn't play it. I don't play anything that reminds me of wow. 

Originally posted by Gravarg

Originally posted by TookyG

Originally posted by Garkan

Anyone into stock markets happen to know why EAs stock is worth twice as much as Activisions and what that means for both companies?

For the end consumer it means about the same as the price difference between Apple (~$375) and Microsoft (~$25) stock:  Nothing.

It proves that the people running the stock market are total idiots and need to be replaced or taught somethings.  Apple makes such horrible products.  They're cheaply made, usually breaking so often you go buy another because it's "Apple" and Apple makes twice the money of let's say Samsung who's products last for years and cost less.  It may be different now, but I bought an original iPhone when they first came out.  I never had so much trouble with a phone.  I had to get the attenae replaced, it was malfunctioning, touchscreen stopped working, after about 8 months the battery life went to about an hour of standby, went through two batteries all within the 2 years.  As soon as my contract was up, I switched to a Samsung phone and didn't have a SINGLE problem, not even a dropped call.  I'm a pretty clumsy guy, and I dropped my iPhone one time and it had to be replaced, the screen cracked right in half, and that was on CARPET.  I've dropped my newest Samsung galaxy 2 several times, even on concrete, the only thing you'll notice is a couple of paint chips on the corners that it hit, which you still can't see until you get upclose since the underlayment is black as the paint is too.  So if we're going to put stock market numbers against company product, Apple is at $375, Samsung should be over $1,000,000.  Stocks are irrelevant.

 

Edit: And I didn't even mention the fact that Apple comes out with underpowered and overpriced products every 3 months...the iPhone 4 still can only run one app at a time....horrible.  You buy the top of the line Apple, and it's way outdated in 3 months when they release the new model.  There's been more than 4 models of the iPhone, there's been probably like 50-60.

I have an ipod. Wish it was an iphone because its far superior to my samsung epic. My epic is slow, I get force closes constantly on any program installed and the company did a firmware update two weeks ago thats driving me nuts. Why? Because the stupid thing caused a glitch in my system that makes it so the sound during phone calls is blasting in my ear and I have to hold it an inch away from my head to talk or I'll go deaf. 

I've never had a problem with my ipod. If I had a choice, I'd get the iphone in a flat second, but I've only had my contract for 6 months so I'm not up for renewal yet.

You had a first generation iphone. We're up to generation five. Thats a big jump. Saying apple sucks when you had a very very old version and figuring thats still the case when you haven't even used it is like saying a 1976 ford fiesta sucks in comparison to a modern ford mustang. Of course it does. 

Oh and the reason the iphone cracks so easily is because its made of glass and most other phones are made of plastic. Which you would have known if you had bothered to learn anything about it before you bought it, and actually buy a cushioned cover to go with it.

The only thing that will hurt this games profits is if they shut down. This is one of the biggest IP's in the world. They've probably already made their investment back just from pre-orders alone. If not, the second months subscriptions will do it. Never underestimate Star Wars. Its not WoW but it doesn't have to be, its Star Wars.