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12/08/08 4:25 PM
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Originally posted by Splixx
Whoa, easy there zebra.... don't look at me you started it I actually said 'nice post' to you Splix.. I wasnt looking for a petty sarcastic argument. Why are you taking this as a fight? Don't huff and puff and point your finger at me, Who is huffing and puffing? Who is finger pointing? I even said that I didnt know that if this was you that I was talking about... I don't get the animosity here. I thought we were just discussing PvP, not getting into an argument. I also stated that DF was about the freedom for us all to play our way and impose our own defintions on our own game... Whats your beef with that? You might of started out in a "FFA" but you have been tamed by today's PvP standards, that much is obvious. Actually, I have always played the same. I simply don't think you have to be a cheap asshat to play PvP. DF offers us all what we want.. surely thats a good thing? ...duel challenges who knows. No, I hate duels. they are pointless. I will agree with the spamming out how leet and awesome your PvP skills are, Well, at least theres no fight there eh? although whether it was an even fight or a "Gankfest" I don't brag either way. If I happen to win, I win, if I lose I lose. Why are you taking this to be all about you? I quite clearly generalised, and even went so far as to write a disclaimer to say I didnt know if this was you or not I was talking about... "I don't know whether this is you, but hopefully it clears up where I am coming from." See? It is about freedom yet you are already labeling people for exercising their freedom Friend, you started with the labels, but y'know what? Forget it. Your way too angry to talk with. I can see why you choose to play the way that you do. I'll leave the last, no doubt angry, words to you... And with the whining that appears to be coming from some of the EQ crowd I do have serious doubts about how "HARDCORE" EQ was. /sigh.
Oh wait I put up the disclaimers too, that makes it all ok. If they clarify the tone of your post, then yes it does. You jumped in the middle of a conversation I was having with someone else, Well.. Thats just forums isnt it? I guess you can always go to PM if you need a private conversation? he is the one that name dropped EQ. Which I why I said that it was sad that his game wasn't hardcore, because he made it out to be that way. Ahh.. I see... I just got splash damage eh? :P I didn't randomly bash or flame, I responded to what you wrote with what I thought was necessary. I didn't take your post as a personal attack on me either, you read what I wrote and wrote what you thought were counterpoints. I reread and it does look like my post is directed specifically at you and that wasn't necessarily intended, I was using "You" to generalize the population, OK, fair enough. although I can see a sentence or two where it wasn't clear and a few where I was actually talking to you. You did say nice post, which is why I didn't take it as a personal attack, but you went into EQ without really understanding why EQ was even brought up. TBH, I hadnt even read a lot of the previous posts... I didnt even know EQ HAD been bought up heh. I used the zebra remark trying to set a lighter tone. ok, but it did come across as just sarcastic though... Some of the things you said did make me question your "Hardcore or Serious PvP status". I honestly think that anyone, at this point, that wants to play DF is in no doubt 'hardcore' enough. We all understand the game and what it means, but the world WILL need explorers, crafters, adventurers, as well as killers. The server can'y simply be 100% filled with people RPing psychotic loons :P But that is my opinion on the subject, where I came from everything that people are already complaining about were just how the game was played. People want a FFA game but they immediately say well I don't want this to happen or this to happen etc. I actually did say that I want that freedom, I want FFA, but a result of that freedom is my freedom to have whatver opinion I wish to about how other people choose to play. Free For All is just that, anything goes, supposedly no rules or at least not all that many. Your posts made it sound like you were either an Anti or Neutral PK, I am a PK. I am anti-pk, but in the most active way ;) We will never agree on anything, two vastly different styles of gaming, but they are just that, styles of gaming. Not sure how you can construe my post as "Angry", only time I see angry posts are when I come across ones that are filled with cursing and ranting and raving like a lunatic, those people must be a riot at family reunions. The people that are already planning the funeral service for DF based on Ganking/Griefing etc Well, this aint me... I'm 100% DF. It's actually my last gasp at MMORPG gaming. If this fails then I'm done. End of. have probably not every really played a FFA game, and I am not talking about a game that says its FFA when it isn't necessarily so. Everyone bemoans ganking and griefing, yet it happens in every game that is out. Only difference is in a FFA world you actually have a chance to do something about it. There is not one person alive that plays any kind of PvP game that can say they have never ganked, griefed, or zerged. What you consider one thing, others will consider another. I am not a ganker or griefer, although I have done both. The only difference I can see is that a ganker and/or griefer goes out of their way to do these things on a fairly regular basis and with the express intent to ruin someone elses gameplay. If my post offended you or seemed like a baseless attack on you I do apologize. I probably should of did like you and broke the post down rather than using one large lump. Thats cool, thanks for this follow up post to clarify.
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12/08/08 3:37 PM
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Originally posted by neonwire
How would you define a lowbie in Darkfall? How would you spot one? Also why is a ganker a "little pussie"? A ganker is just someone who has an advantage and uses it to crush their enemy. Sounds like common sense to me. You can wander around trying to be a gentleman asking people for a fair fight if you like but dont expect others to do the same. "Excuse me sir Orc I believe you have an unfair advantage. Your skill with that axe is clearly superior to my skill with this dagger and thats damn unfair. I also see that you have a few friends with you who also intend to kick my head in. Now thats very unsporting of you. I really must insist that you do the honourable thing and either fight me on your own while your friends stand back and watch or you allow me to call a few friends of my own to assist me. They can be here in about 20 minutes if you dont mind waiting. Otherwise you are not engaging me in the correct PvP protocols as stated in section 12b of the PvP Tactical Manual and that would therefore entitle me to call you "A little pussie who cannot hack real PvP" because everyone knows that real PvP is always equal and fair........ Oh you swine! You just killed me without giving me a chance to defeat you. I'm calling my mum!! Bwaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!"
hehe funny post Neon, but I think we see PvP a little differently. Neither is right or wrong of course, it's just perspective and preference. If, in RL, I saw 5 guys start on 1 guy outside a pub and kick the crap outta him, I would think they were weak. If 2 guys mug another guy in RL, I think thats just weak. I think the same about zergers and gankers in PvP. It's just me. For instance, If I see, while on some journey, some random guy who I have never met or heard of before siting and resting after fighting a mob, will I kill him for no reason while he is weak? Probably not... Thats not me. Don't confuse this with weakness though, like I have have said before, I wouldnt be here if I wasnt up for the fight :) Everyone, indeed, has the freedom to play DF as they see fit, and I love that about the game. I would hate to see rulesets to stop it happening. Indeed, the motivation for me in these games comes from putting down the 'mad dogs' that see the fact that just because you can do something, you should do something. It takes all types to make PvP games work I guess :) |
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12/08/08 3:18 PM
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Originally posted by Splixx
Back on topic though, scamming will be hard I think because of, like I have said, reputation (the constantly re-rolled scamming character scenerio makes no sense at all btw) and the fact that Aventurine have already said there will be a robust trade mechanic; "Trade your hard earned items using Darkfal's secure trade interface and in-game trade boards."
Whoa, easy there zebra.... don't look at me you started it I actually said 'nice post' to you Splix.. I wasnt looking for a petty sarcastic argument. Why are you taking this as a fight? Don't huff and puff and point your finger at me, Who is huffing and puffing? Who is finger pointing? I even said that I didnt know that if this was you that I was talking about... I don't get the animosity here. I thought we were just discussing PvP, not getting into an argument. I also stated that DF was about the freedom for us all to play our way and impose our own defintions on our own game... Whats your beef with that? You might of started out in a "FFA" but you have been tamed by today's PvP standards, that much is obvious. Actually, I have always played the same. I simply don't think you have to be a cheap asshat to play PvP. DF offers us all what we want.. surely thats a good thing? ...duel challenges who knows. No, I hate duels. they are pointless. I will agree with the spamming out how leet and awesome your PvP skills are, Well, at least theres no fight there eh? although whether it was an even fight or a "Gankfest" I don't brag either way. If I happen to win, I win, if I lose I lose. Why are you taking this to be all about you? I quite clearly generalised, and even went so far as to write a disclaimer to say I didnt know if this was you or not I was talking about... "I don't know whether this is you, but hopefully it clears up where I am coming from." See? It is about freedom yet you are already labeling people for exercising their freedom Friend, you started with the labels, but y'know what? Forget it. Your way too angry to talk with. I can see why you choose to play the way that you do. I'll leave the last, no doubt angry, words to you... And with the whining that appears to be coming from some of the EQ crowd I do have serious doubts about how "HARDCORE" EQ was. /sigh.
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12/08/08 2:08 PM
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Originally posted by Splixx
Hence the "in AC ganking and griefing was simply called PvP... ...The people that scream ganking/griefing, at least to me are not serious PvPers. Whoa, easy there tiger... I played on a open world/ contested name, no safe zone, coin/ item loot server in EQ. We fought other top level guilds in Raid Zones, and we fought to keep them out of common zones. We fought to not be ambushed when selling our items in the open world cities when there were no brokers. We fought for everything. Call it what you want, but I consider that to be serious PvP. If I ever call you a ganker, it's because you only attack people when they are on 50% health or less, or only attack others in zerg groups when you have a clear advantage and no risk, or whatever, and then puff your chest out and shout to everyone how 'hardcore' you are... I would never try to stop anyone doing any one of these acts, it's hopefully a free world out there in DF, but yep I will think less of them if they repeatedly choose to, and go out of their way to, fight in a weak cowardly way. Especially if they then shout about their 'l337 sk1llz!' and how badass Dirty Harry they are... Thats just me. Playing hardcore PvP dosent mean you have to be an asshat. I don't know whether this is you, but hopefully it clears up where I am coming from. DF is meant to be about freedom, and that means the freedom to play as I want to, as well as the freedom for you to play as you want to, without others telling me that I am not a 'serious PvPer' because of it. I wouldnt even start this game if I wasnt up for the fight. Anywho, kind of sad that the game you played wasn't all that hardcore. hehe if you say so :)
Back on topic though, scamming will be hard I think because of, like I have said, reputation (the constantly re-rolled scamming character scenerio makes no sense at all btw) and the fact that Aventurine have already said there will be a robust trade mechanic; "Trade your hard earned items using Darkfal's secure trade interface and in-game trade boards." |
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12/08/08 1:36 PM
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Originally posted by 7evenSteps The vaporware evidence was NEVER on their side. Do you repeat that to yourself every night so you can sleep better? This game is even more Vaporware now than it ever was. Why? Because all there has been released less than 2 months to a supposed launch are a few terrible looking screenshots and some generic previews at Thenoobcomic which BTW is hosted on Aventurines own servers. And a terrible looking video released by those two italian guys. For all anyone knows they could be posting those previews up themselves since they host the damn site. Please show me 1 piece of evidence released from this supposed Beta that is on going with supposedly hundreds of people that shows anything that they have been claiming is there and working as they've always said. No one can.
/sigh... So what if they don't? Would you be a DF supporter if hey did? Why does it bother you so deeply that they havent? Have you paid them any money yet, or invested any time into the game yet? Have they any obligation to you? You seem so angry :( Just take a breath and sit back and wait until the 22nd, all be made clear. You will gain nothing by attacking the game, or it's marketing strategy, on this board at this point. It just seems that the majority of hater's posts here seem fuelled by their false sense of percieved entitlement to something they have in reality no ownership over... It makes me sad. Aventurine really have no need to show you anything at this point, beyond what they want to, and you throwing tantrums over it isnt gonna change anything.
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12/08/08 6:21 AM
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Fair play, I think it's good of you to not take the 'troll troll troll and then slink away when you are wrong' approach that most do. |
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12/08/08 6:11 AM
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Originally posted by Splixx
Nice post Splixx, but just wanted to discuss this point. I played PvP EQ in '99, and griefing and ganking wasnt considered real PvP to most, anymore then training or zone plugging was. To call someone a Ganker or Griefer was an insult back then. To have a reputation of ganker or griefing was a bad thing. Both showed weak skills and both made you think twice about having them in your guild or group. Which brings me to reputation. In answer to the OP, I believe it will be reputation that will control scamming. Will I group with a proven scammer, or someone named a scammer by a friend I trust? Nope. Will I warn others of his actions? Yep. DF looks like the return of accountable reputations in mmorpgs, which is fantastic. Having only 1 character per server is great :) Plus, like people say, if you scam, you and your guild better be ready to fight to keep it. Again and again. People don't forget things like that. |
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12/08/08 5:48 AM
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Originally posted by Jackdog
Actually... Barnum didnt say that, his rival Hannum (I believe thats the right spelling... could be wrong) did ;) The reason I am willing to keep extending my belief to different devs is simple... They arnt the same company. If Funcom, for instance, release something from now I will be very cautious of them and it, because they have shown me who and what they are. Thats me judging them on their past behaviour and product. If Aventurine fail to deliver a good game, or attempt to lie to or scam me once I have paid them money, then I will judge them on their track record from that point on. Until then though, I am very excited about Darkfall, and will be until proven otherwise. Just think for a second... How rational is it though to judge Aventurine on, using them as an example, Funcom's track record? I always get confused when people even suggest that we should. |
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12/08/08 5:21 AM
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Originally posted by Theodgrim
a) DarkFall has been announced by RazorWax 2001, with an expected release date of 2003. (Tasos is not one of them) b) Tasos and his backers are looking for a game to invest around 2002, and gets involved with DF. c) Razorwax announces Aventurine as the publisher and starts the move to Greece in late 2002, cutting ties with their old "money man" and leaving him $514,000 in debt. Aventurine is created with the majority of the Razorwax devs onboard. The devs in Razorwax are also now part of Aventurine, but this is not known by the masses. d) Since Razorwax cut ties to their money in late 2002 (they have 10 devs at this point) Aventurine has been pulling the strings since that time. Really, the only diff between Razorwax and Aventurine is who manages and funds. The guys making the game itself are the same core devs. So, Aventurine is calling the shots by 2002, since they have the money. e) Razorwax does not disband, it is essentially ignored. (It files for bankrupty in 2006, after some other lame online venture, IIRC.) They change the name on the door in 2003 and are now "officially" Aventurine. Aventurine IS able to secure vastly more funding than Razorwax could get, and no doubt they spent some hiring more people and enhancing the game. f) Tasos announces on 9/30/2003: "We've been in a tech beta since September 2nd, testing, working on bugs, tuning and tweaking, adding content, and building the world" and "What you can look forward to in the immediate future as we move forward with our closed beta, is the beta registration process for individual players and for guilds to open up, a new Darkfall website, screenshots from our current build, in-game movies, and of course our regular content updates. We'll also give the Darkfall community members the opportunity to become more actively involved within the community, and with the game." And that is pretty much what we have been hearing from Tasos over the years, until just recently, of course. The game we know as Darkfall (same basic concepts, features, everything) started being coded in mid 2000 - working on the game engine. (I will find the quote if you really need it) They made several upgrades along the way (including another graphics engine upgrade done by Razorwax in early 2002) and I do not doubt that Aventurine made the basic game better, with several more upgrades and enhancements over the years since. But, it is the same game at its core.
I can't argue with this view on things, but it also isnt important to me beyond being an interesting story... It dosent matter how long DF has taken to get here tbh, it just matters that we are now looking at it arriving. It's not like I have been sitting here waiting... I have been kinda busy the last 8 years... |
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12/08/08 5:03 AM
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Originally posted by imbant | |
