All Posts by vesavius

This issue is obviously on the radar, and thats a good thing.

I honestly don't think Funcom are in denial of any of this drama, and again thats a good thing.

Originally posted by vajuras

[quote]Originally posted by vesavius
[b][quote]Originally posted by vajuras
I prefer classes and defined roles in mmorpgs personally because they act as a shorthand for easy and fast communication. I like a game where I can just call for a L50 cleric and be clear about what I need, rather then discuss with 10 guys what skills they have and havent got.
"Harger! Your our healer! Rezz Jeric quickly! We need him now!"
"Erm... sorry guys... I took heal at 200, but I didnt bother with Rezz..."
"Uh oh..."

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*I repeat* We have Classes in EVE Online, etc and they are just as well defined as any other traditional RPG... Dumping trinity does not mean you lack roles. In other genres there is no Trinity yet you still have very precise, well defined roles

Take BF2142 for example. Imagine opposing team functioning as NPCs rather then players. You still have medics. You still have Assault. You still have Recon. The biggie is everyone wears armor so warriors as we know it would be gone. Thats just a pure example how trinity could be gone. Everyone does DPS, Everyone has armor. Yet, everyone has a role

Maybe you are so busy *repeating*, you are not actually listening?

My point obviously was that any defined role will attract the best at that role, no matter what label you stuck them with.

This leads to role optimisation, which of course is all a class is.

It all leads to the same end, for the same reasons I have already said.

Originally posted by Hvymetal

*Sigh*

So many people in this thread that canot pull their head out of the box to think.

Try out DDO sometimes, due to the possibilities for creating different characters granted by the d20 system allows many to play non-traditional builds/roles.

You'd be suprised at the *gasp* thinking required to complete quests when you don;t have traditional roles filled, but many people (especially hardcore MMO players) are terrified to think outside the box and adapt to non-traditional parties.

 

As to the post above: I'd take the 1st one that would allow me to fill out my group and adapt.

You don't need a healer for DDO? Is it not based on the 3.5E PnP ruleset? I only played it for 2 weeks or so at launch so I don't claim to be an expert.

No need at all to try and be *gasp* insulting.

I am not 'terrified'... I have explained why I like defined class roles, and none of it has to do with fear, obviously.

As for your final point... well, the point I was making if both were being offered what would you take? Why would you 'adapt'  when you are being offered the ideal tool to complete the job? Both would fill out your group. I think maybe you wouldnt, but you don't want to answer the quest honestly because it would upset your argument...

Originally posted by URMAKER

Originally posted by severius

Originally posted by Illius

I got a chance to go over to my buddy's place and gave the AoC beta a whirl.  I have read all the negative crap that people have been spewing all over these boards among others and I was somewhat concerned but I still didn't want them to influence my opinion.  I spent the day playing with an open mind, without any prejudices and I had a great time.  Granted that I've only played for a short time compared to some other people out there but from what I've seen the thing looks great.  It ran smooth on my friends comp with an average of 60 frames or more, no lag, and the loading times on Tortage were not all that bad.  I understand why there are loading screens for the INN now and it makes sense to me.

From what I got to experience thus far I'm quite pleased.  I'll go spend another day or 2 over there just to get my barberian a bit higher and see some of the other stuff out there so that I can better formulate my opinion but I'm glad I checked it out for myself.  I will more then likely buy the game when it comes out if it's anything like it is so far.  With any luck the minor bugs I experienced will be fixed in the next 2 weeks and more frills and fluff will be added later for added effect but it does not really matter to me.  I enjoyed the game play and look forward to seeing what the PVP is like.

Glad you found it to your liking however, with that said, the above highlighted shows your hypocrisy.  You call other people's opinions "negative crap that people have been spewing" then go on to say that you played with "an open mind, without any prejudices"?  I would suggest that you are extremely biased and prejudiced and that you prove as much with your own words.

yea i was thinking the same thing. i stop reading at the end of the part you highlighted but, i'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that a love affair between him and the game made up the rest of the post.

I love it when trolls say 'they stopped reading at that point...', as if not reading the post offered, and the poster, is beneath them.

lol sure they did...

They will say they did, insist they did, scream they did in fact...

But lets be honest.

They didnt.

it's such a weak and obvious tactic.

Blatant BS post.

Originally posted by Katashi-kun

 

Originally posted by Punk999

Originally posted by Katashi-kun

Well big deal if EU has to pay....they should be used to getting screwed over!  heh 

Yes no big deal when LOTRO does it.... but funcom are out to rob us blind!!

 

Its a big deal when anyone does it, but since I'm not in EU....I could care less how much they get screwed over.  Has nothing to with the game....

lol empathy for your brother man ftw :P

I think I know that girl...

Originally posted by ParkCarsHere

 

Originally posted by Anubisan

I personally enjoyed the combat system. It seemed innovative and much more involving than most. Granted, there is not much variation in the first few levels... but we haven't seen much of the game yet.

Maybe its just me, but literally every massive I have played has royally sucked during the first few levels. Every class lacks the abilities during this time that truly make the class enjoyable. It is only after getting to about level 20 that the unique style of each class truly becomes apparent and enough skills are opened up to get a real feel for the character.

I don't think any of us (except for the closed beta players) have seen enough of the combat system as it evolves to truly judge it at this point. None of us can really say how the higher levels are without experiencing them. Based upon the first few levels though, I think the higher level combat system might be very fun.

That's my take anyway... Maybe I am giving Funcom too much credit, but I am part of the dying breed of gamers that fully test and give games the benefit of the doubt before deciding whether or not I like them. Call me old fashioned...

Judging by other posts on this forum, you ARE a dying breed. Why can't you get on the bandwagon, play the game for 1 hour, then make assumptions like everyone else? You, sir, are a terrible beta tester.

 

hehe QFT :)

Originally posted by originalegg

OP is 100% correct.

I have seen some of the most well written and objective reviews of AoC on this board get torn to shreads by sad fanboys who want this game to be perfect so bad that they will bash anyone who has a bad review of it.

Yes there are lots of trolls who are probably just talking out of their ass, but there are also many legit people with complaints and to think that all of them are (as the fanboys have stated) just poor and running a crap computer, is ignorant.  There is a significant problem with the client, no matter what version it is.  Yes, the cb client also has bugs. 

We can go back and forth all day, and im sure we will, about the games stability and beta vs release, but we will only truly know come launch day.   (unless funcom tries to extend the NDA after release lol).

Oh and it is also pretty ridiculous about people defending funcom and other developers, and saying its ok to have a crappy launch, and that it is standard for MMOs.  all i can say is bahhhhh bahhhh bahhhhh (sheep noise).  We, the consumers, should be giving the developers no excuse to release products like this.  LOTR should be the standard, if not the bare minimum acceptance.  Unfortunatly just a few people like me trying to get the word out will do nothin since the masses will keep giving these people money for broken products.

No, he is about 25% correct to be honest, but you happen to agree with him I guess so that makes it the truth to you.

You see though, the fact is that your truth is no more real then anyone elses, and your opinion is no more valid or less ignorant. You certainly are no free thinker bringing enlightenment to the masses as you appear to see yourself... We have all read whats out there and made our own informed choices based on our likes and dislikes. By insulting those who happen to see things differently to you you just come across as a shill or troll.

Funcom havent yet released AoC, so saying that they shouldnt release games like this is, well... obviously very backwards.

Seeing as Funcom seem to be the new SOE for the hatebois, I know I think who the 'bahhhhh bahhh' boys are around here. I think you do as well.

Originally posted by mcburly

great Post OP. this is exactly how I feel and I actually decided to make an account here just to let you know. I got a chance to play the pvp weekend and the game looks awesome yeah there is a few issues to work out but what mmo has released that didnt have issues. see ya in hyboria man!!

Thanks fella, and welcome :)

Originally posted by chryses

Helpful thread thanks.  I have to agree with trying the game for one month and if it doesn't work out then 'what the hell'.  I have plenty of other single and MMO games I can keep playing. However I would like to see AoC d well just to shake up the market a bit and give gamers great options.

I have tried to be objective, and I recognise what a lot of people are saying, but there is also a very strong element of people here that need this game to fail for their own reasons. Maybe it 'threatens' their current game's numbers, maybe it just threatens the 'validity' of  their own choice of game that they have nailed their flag to, maybe they have a need to just pick a fight in order to boost their own self esteem, maybe they are shills... I don't know.

The truth is though the truth usually lies somewhere halfway between the fans and the haters.

Yes, there are issues.

Yes they are fixable before or on launch.

Yes, whether you enjoy AoC's game design is very subjective on what you are looking for.

Yes, I personally love what I am seeing.

Originally posted by nikoliath

 

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by nikoliath

 

Originally posted by vesavius

Now that I have given it a fair play time, I have to say that I want to play this game as much as I did before, if not more.

Let me get some things straight before the hatebois and trolls jump all over this post looking for a fight.

1. Yes, I recognise there are some performance issues for a few people out there. My PC ran it fine tho I must say... From some of the posts complaining about this problem though I honestly think they would have issues running Moonstone, let alone this game. Some people need to realise that not all games are for them and to play cutting edge graphics (for an mmorpg) you need to spend some money.

 

Why do nealy all the people for whom the game ran "fine" insist on trying to inform anyone who has had performance issues that either, their PC is outdated, cheap and/or badly setup? ~ and from what I have seen, it aint simply "a few people".

OK, lets be straight here before we start, I am just talking about my experiences with the game. If you wanna come in aggressively and pick a fight, or actually engage me in decent conversation, then thats your call. I don't care either way to be honest. I can do either.

The game did run fine on my machine. Thats just truth.

I never said 'anyone having problems has a cheap machine' did I? I said some that have posted here have had didnt I?

 

For me it seemed a clear attempt at the "my rig's fine, the rest are whiners" opening salvo. I'm not agressively picking a fight, I'm tired of seeing dismissive posts about genuine performance issues.

 

It's beta, it's the debugger, it's a stress test, there's another client, there's a magic patch, your PC sucks, you know nothing about using a PC, you shouldn't even be playing games, you meet the spec but you must be badly set up..............becuase I run it fine   < crap like this is annoying **no I am not accusing you of these words.

From what I have observed a majority of people complaining about these issues have PC's well above the minimum recommended spec. And so announcing that SOME people need to realise that they cant run AoC comes accross as a dig.

I do not doubt your word for a single second regarding it's performance on your machine. I am making sure that those who do not yet know understand that there are plenty of people suffering genuine performance issues that are not related to outdated hardware.

 

The Australians can begin there client download for the early start on the 10th of MAY which is a mere 4 days away, give 6 minutes. And the European start has been moved forward to coincide with the US launch. And yet, as of writing, still no assurance that the game breaking performance issues will be addressed in time.

apologies for any upset caused.

 

 

Thanks for being cool about it.

I didnt mean it as a dig, but I get where you are coming from.

I do believe they have time to patch though based on the recent tests, but the Australian download will be fascinating to watch I agree.

In many ways it will be make or break for this game... Hopefully Funcom have their house in order.

Originally posted by Adythiel

I haven't posted here in a while but I do need to make a comment in regards to the OP:

 

Yes, I would have preferred certain elemants, such as spell weaving and the like, to be public tested. It just seems safer to have done so. I trust Funcom at this stage enough to know what they are doing though. They have launched MMORPGs before, and I havent, so I would be ridicolous of me at this point to be telling them whats what.

 

That needs to be changed. It isn't launched MMORPGs before, it is MMORPG. Singular. Funcom has released a single MMO. Anarchy Online. And in the interest of self-preservation, I will refrain from comment on that game aside from this. It had the worst release of an MMO to date, including Vanguard. Those that experienced release in 2001 would most likely corroborate. Other than that, Funcom hasn't released any MMOs. Midgard was scrapped. There was another MMO in development that was put on hold for Dreamfall (which also by the way I found to be dull and droll with a horrible combat system) called The Secret World of which development was resumed after Dreamfall shipped and was officially confirmed about this time last year. That's one MMO released and it was not something to inspire confidence in said company. It isn't about telling them what's what, it is about trying to make them understand that we as players won't settle for games that are broken out of the box. As long as we continue to buy into the release it and they'll fix it later mentality, we will continue to get games like Vanguard and Tabula Rasa. I know where I stand but it sure does seem pretty lonely here right now.

Well, ok, I see what you are saying here, but to be honest whether it's one or two, that is still one more then I, and I would guess you, have launched.

AO was indeed a terrible launch, but I find it easy personally to forgive once if lessons are learnt, and hopefully they have been. If it happens again this time, then that will impact on me a lot deeper, but I am not one of those guys who has a memory like an angry elephant and acts like someone has emotionally scarred me if a game launch is rocky, so maybe I am easier to please then some. We shall see if lessons have been learned I guess, but at this time I have faith they have been.

You arnt alone, I agree with you on a lot of what you say and your broken game sentiment, but I am just honestly not seeing that here right now. There isnt anything here an optimised client and competent patching cannot fix in my view before or on launch day.

Anyone who says there won't be a patch that will fix important issues before or on launch? I say prove it.

Originally posted by Dis_Ordur

All of this is sounding just like VG.  The whole, "I have heard about performance issues, but not experiencing any myself" shows that this will be another tech-heavy game that is only playable on certain rigs.  Whether this performance is due to AoC's engine or to sloppy coding remains to be seen.

AoC will truly be comparable to VG if it launches with all of the bugs people are clamoring about.  I hope it doesn't, but I have a feeling the poll is correct with about 50% of interested gamers still on the fence about this. 

The post-launch reviews are going to make or break this game.  Word of mouth after a horrible launch won't save any game, nevertheless an MMO.  I have been following this for quite some time and initially chalked this up as a 'must have', but lately have been turned off by all of the negative impressions.

Thank goodness for GTAIV online :)

I understand your view on this and probably would feel the same if I was the one having the issues, but AoC is nothing like VG imo. It feels 100% different right now to me... I knew VG was a fail in beta, and I really wanted that game to succeed, I will be honest.

Holes still have to be plugged in this game, I have no illusions about that, but AoC and VG arnt even in the same universe.

My advice is to probably not to take too much notice of internet stranger opinions, inlcuding my own, and make up you own mind. MMORPG.com is a horrible place to get a straw poll feeling about a game... Any game. There are way to many games here in needless competition in too smaller space imo.

Trust me when I say that having a 50% 'on the fence' result here from a poll like that one is a good thing...

Between the haters, fans, trolls, and shills, the informed objective opinion is rare and precious thing  in these parts.

Originally posted by nikoliath

 

Originally posted by vesavius

Now that I have given it a fair play time, I have to say that I want to play this game as much as I did before, if not more.

Let me get some things straight before the hatebois and trolls jump all over this post looking for a fight.

1. Yes, I recognise there are some performance issues for a few people out there. My PC ran it fine tho I must say... From some of the posts complaining about this problem though I honestly think they would have issues running Moonstone, let alone this game. Some people need to realise that not all games are for them and to play cutting edge graphics (for an mmorpg) you need to spend some money.

 

Why do nealy all the people for whom the game ran "fine" insist on trying to inform anyone who has had performance issues that either, their PC is outdated, cheap and/or badly setup? ~ and from what I have seen, it aint simply "a few people".

OK, lets be straight here before we start, I am just talking about my experiences with the game. If you wanna come in aggressively and pick a fight, or actually engage me in decent conversation, then thats your call. I don't care either way to be honest. I can do either.

The game did run fine on my machine. Thats just truth.

I never said 'anyone having problems has a cheap machine' did I? I said some that have posted here have had didnt I?

Stop trying to twist and re-invent my words to meet your agenda. I have only stated the truth as it is for me.

As I do not wish a holiday from MMORPG.com right now I will bite my tongue very hard and refrain from insulting you.

Well, we shall see. Up to now you arnt doing too well.

Sure, I can run the game on max settings with AA -shadows from "everything" and get 50fps steady in the tutorial zone, it's in and around Tortage that the "stalling" begins and can get very very bad at times.

Yep, I acknowledged openly the performance has issues at this time.

What part were you confused about in that?

Zoning is also a lottery, I had roll another character today becuase ALL of mine were stuck inside tortage, the game would just stop responding after loading into the zone.

I never had this.

And I still get random crashes, due I am sure to the known memory leak.

Yeah, the memory leak is real, no doubt.

 So yes I have "spent some money" thank you very much,

Don't mention it...

and so I would like to inform people, counter to your findings, that the people suffering performance issues, crashes and other problems are not all plebs, liars and haters using hardware from 1990.

 Ahh.. here we are... the now established re-invention and misrepresentation of what I actually said to suit your 'argument'. It's a obvious sign of weak debate and weak grasp of the opponents counter point you know...

I never in my post stated any of this you have implied in the above sentance.

For the record, I like this game from what I have been able to see and hope it does do well and have not yet cancelled my pre-order.

But you will come here to rudely tell me that I am wrong for saying that I am running ok, and accuse me of saying things I havent? Despite me acknowledging the game's issues in beta and recognising their implications?

wow... You have a way of looking at things that is quite alien to me.

Originally posted by keneda

I'll play the game too , its right that the game seem to freeze a lot and still have bugs , but I'm sure they will correct it and make it run smoothly.

I tried Ranger , priest of mitra , barbarian and conqueror I add a lot of fun , even if I really got annoyed by all de Freeze I had.

But I will give them a chance coz I can feel something new in this game , and I want to see where its going to go , and if I am wrong then I'll just have to wait for Warhammer no big deal.

Exactly...

I feel great about where the game is at and where it looks like it's going, but if I am wrong, then what the hell really? It's no big deal.

At this time though, I honestly, after all I have read and understood, have faith in this game as a long term investment of my gaming time.

Hopefully newcomers will be able to see through the fearful haters, the shills, and the insecure trolls to make their own minds up.

Originally posted by Shannia

We are not talking three months post launch, six months, or even a year.  We want to know which game has launch the past FOUR years that had a Miracle Patch at launch.   The patch that takes the game from beta to LAUNCH DAY where you said WOW, they did a great job fixing everything that was wrong at the end of beta to make LAUNCH DAY a success.

We look forward to seeing your votes!

If I missed one, reply with the name of the one I missed.

Bottom line, is there such a thing as the launch day "Miracle Patch" or is "It's Beta" just a no other excuse for the game is sucking battle cry of the ever present fanbois?

 *EDIT*  Use the bottom World of Warcraft listing to vote for Tabula Rasa.  Can't edit the poll.  Thank you all.

 

 

Just trolling without even having the guts to be honest about it.

Now that I have given it a fair play time, I have to say that I want to play this game as much as I did before, if not mor