Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by cippalippa

Whish they just removed it, it just shows total lack of taste. Koreans can have it if they want it, i won't judge them, but definetly not my taste. Let children stay children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVRv5u36Huw

They're not children!

 

Lets be honest, they are cosmetically disguised children.

Why on Earth do you want them to show the extra skin so badly? Is it that important to you that their knickers have been covered up?

I mean... is it? What exactly are we arguing over here? The right to see elin panties?

C'mon...  They are fine as they now. Nothing is lost from the game by a few extra pixels on an elin's ass.

 

 

how exactly are they children. western mmo's have fairies are they children too? they have bunny ears for christ sake how more innocent can they be? I'm arguing over the stupidity that some people get offended over pixels in a computer game, its complete madness that something so trivial can offend you.

IN western MMOs fairies typcially have adult bone structure, they look like minature (people/adults), that is not the case here at all, you're comparing apples to oranges.

Elin dont exactly look like humans though. its a manga style character if anything.

Yeah I realize that and manga is full of sexualized teenage girls, as i said in my edit :P.

haha sorry, just had to reply to this before I went... using 'they are manga style' as a defence to support they aren't sexualised... Just made me chuckle :D

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by Benjola

Originally posted by nerovipus32

i don't find the elin sexy looking maybe you do. and if you do find them sexy looking why do you have a problem with it. is sexy a positive or a negative thing for you? They are not kids you can view them as kids if you want but you're wrong.

You've been spewing this same nonsense many times now.

Are you 12?

 You couldn't come up with a counter argument so you resort to insults. you lose fella.

lol Neo... you have been attempting to insult others all the way through this... Trying to make out that the people that support more pixels covering an elin's ass are some kind off perverts (which is really just a cheap reflection tatctic you resort to in lieu of proper debate).

Anyhow, you guys are just repeating yourselves over and over now and ignoring any points you can't answer, so I'm out of here. Have fun :)

Originally posted by Benjola

Originally posted by I_Return

Originally posted by Benjola

Lol the "art" argument.

It's not an art, it's a business and they are cashing in on teen hormons.

It IS art. 

 

Let me try to enlighten you one last time.

The skimpy outfits, the sexy looking avatars, the boob physics and the sexualization of Ellin are NOT art decisions, they are all business decisions.

It's really naive to think otherwise.

The law in the US says you are wrong. TERA, and all it's content, IS recognised as art. Legally that is how it is classified and protected.

Whatever other motivations it has or dosen't have is assumption and guess work of the viewer, but that's the very thing at the heart of art :)

Look... found this for you after a fast google... http://www.techspot.com/news/43696-the-us-legally-recognizes-video-games-as-an-art-form.html 

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by cippalippa

Whish they just removed it, it just shows total lack of taste. Koreans can have it if they want it, i won't judge them, but definetly not my taste. Let children stay children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVRv5u36Huw

They're not children!

 

Lets be honest, they are cosmetically disguised children.

Why on Earth do you want them to show the extra skin so badly? Is it that important to you that their knickers have been covered up?

I mean... is it? What exactly are we arguing over here? The right to see elin panties?

C'mon...  They are fine as they now. Nothing is lost from the game by a few extra pixels on an elin's ass.

 

 

how exactly are they children. western mmo's have fairies are they children too? they have bunny ears for christ sake how more innocent can they be? I'm arguing over the stupidity that some people get offended over pixels in a computer game, its complete madness that something so trivial can offend you.

 

Because superficial changes like a pair of rabbit ears and a made up name dosen't alter it.

Don't you see though... YOU are arguing over pixels in a computer game...  YOU are arguing passionatly, and calling others stupid, because they like more pixels then you on a elin's ass then you do. It seems YOU are getting very offended by something very trivial.

Think about that.

Wel i didn't start the stupid arguement, 

But you aure as hell have gotten emotionaly involved in it... it jut seems to really matter to you... the right to see elin panties.

i hate people who try censor things because they have a problem with it. 

So you would show hardcore porn on a mainstream childrens channel at 4pm? Because that would be no censorship... and you hate ALLLLL censorship right?

Sure it can be wrong and used for dark purposes, but censorship has a legitimate use as well. Any right thinking adult can see that.

Fighting against censorship in certain cases is good and fine, but pick your fights carefully is my advice... arguing to uncensor elin knickers isn't the way too look like you are fighting the good fight.

I edited out the more argumentative part of your rant for clarity.

Originally posted by Doushi

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Doushi

I didnt see anything wrong with the original ones, when I read about the changes for the first time it gave me good laughs. over reacting americans = always a good laugh

 But are you offended by the new ones?

nope, I dont care either way.

Exactly.

Just putting more clothes on an elin shouldn't be such a huge drama.

Originally posted by Doushi

I didnt see anything wrong with the original ones, when I read about the changes for the first time it gave me good laughs. over reacting americans = always a good laugh

But are you offended by the new ones?

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by cippalippa

Whish they just removed it, it just shows total lack of taste. Koreans can have it if they want it, i won't judge them, but definetly not my taste. Let children stay children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVRv5u36Huw

They're not children!

 

Lets be honest, they are cosmetically disguised children.

Why on Earth do you want them to show the extra skin so badly? Is it that important to you that their knickers have been covered up?

I mean... is it? What exactly are we arguing over here? The right to see elin panties?

C'mon...  They are fine as they now. Nothing is lost from the game by a few extra pixels on an elin's ass.

 

 

how exactly are they children. western mmo's have fairies are they children too? they have bunny ears for christ sake how more innocent can they be? I'm arguing over the stupidity that some people get offended over pixels in a computer game, its complete madness that something so trivial can offend you.

Because superficial changes like a pair of rabbit ears and a made up name dosen't alter it.

Don't you see though... YOU are arguing over pixels in a computer game...  YOU are arguing passionatly, and calling others stupid, because they like more pixels then you on a elin's ass then you do. It seems YOU are getting very offended by something very trivial.

Think about that.

Originally posted by I_Return

Originally posted by Benjola

Lol the "art" argument.

It's not an art, it's a business and they are cashing in on teen hormons.

It IS art. 

Actually, my personal feelings aside, in the US video games are legally recognised as art...

Art and business have long gone hand in hand TBH. 

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by cippalippa

Whish they just removed it, it just shows total lack of taste. Koreans can have it if they want it, i won't judge them, but definetly not my taste. Let children stay children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVRv5u36Huw

They're not children!

Lets be honest, they are cosmetically disguised children.

Why on Earth do you want them to show the extra skin so badly? Is it that important to you that their knickers have been covered up?

I mean... is it? What exactly are we arguing over here? The right to see elin panties?

C'mon...  They are fine as they now. Nothing is lost from the game by a few extra pixels on an elin's ass.

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

I coudln't care less...

 

yet here you are in this thread debating against a guy who does care and making silly comments about him gouging hi eyes out near swimming pools.

If you don't care about the subject matter then I can only assume your only here to troll him.

 

Just offering my opinion while I tweak my engines on SQO.

Just trolling then to past the time, I see...

It's funny because they biggest creeps are the ones who have a problem with this.

Being aware of a wider world and how things are percieved by others, and the effects of desentisation of sexulised imagery within society does not someone a 'creep'.

It actually probably means their perpective just dosen't stop with themselves.

I just see a character on a video game. It's not a real person. Do you know that those Elin are underage? I know women who are adults that don't look like it. you sound like a bunch of repressed creeps who are afraid that a scantily clad petite avatar is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back and makes you go out and rape small girls.

Again, you show a real lack of understanding of desensitisation and how it works.

Have you got children yourself? Just out of interest.

Get some counceling or something and try not to worry about such silly things.

As a parent I would like to think that every parent (and every adult even) was responsible enough to be aware of the wider dangers of sexulising child like images. Even if they have made cosmetic changes such as adding a tail and changing the name of them.

Do you let your children watch violent television? If so you're a complete hypocrite. if not then I commend you.

I guess I take your commendation then.

but really I have never been one to blame the media for society's problems.

Thats becaue you clearly do not understand it's profound influence on culture at large or, like I say, how desensitisation works.

Anyone who dismisses the media's role in society is extremely (dangerously even) naive IMO.

The sheep buy into that sort of stuff, but free thinkers know that this is nothign new and is human nature. I have 3 boys and though they are too young to be taught about that sort of thing I hope they will grow to respect women, and not be ashamed to appreciate the female form

Again, you have totally missed the point and are projecting your demonstrated lack of caring or percieving anything beyond yourself onto whats being said. It has nothing to do with being 'ashamed' of 'appreciating the female form'... Thats ridiculous.

'Free thinking'... a lot of mentally lazy people use that term for not actually being bothered to think at all or care for anything outside their little bubbles in my experience.

Anyhow, you can have the (inevitable) last word, I'm done with this for now.

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

I coudln't care less...

 

yet here you are in this thread debating against a guy who does care and making silly comments about him gouging hi eyes out near swimming pools.

If you don't care about the subject matter then I can only assume your only here to troll him.

 

Just offering my opinion while I tweak my engines on SQO.

Just trolling then to past the time, I see...

It's funny because they biggest creeps are the ones who have a problem with this.

Being aware of a wider world and how things are percieved by others, and the effects of desentisation of sexulised imagery within society does not someone a 'creep'.

It actually probably means their perpective just dosen't stop with themselves.

I just see a character on a video game. It's not a real person. Do you know that those Elin are underage? I know women who are adults that don't look like it. you sound like a bunch of repressed creeps who are afraid that a scantily clad petite avatar is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back and makes you go out and rape small girls.

Again, you show a real lack of understanding of desensitisation and how it works.

Have you got children yourself? Just out of interest.

Get some counceling or something and try not to worry about such silly things.

As a parent I would like to think that every parent (and every adult even) was responsible enough to be aware of the wider dangers of sexulising child like images. Even if they have made cosmetic changes such as adding a tail and changing the name of them.

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

I coudln't care less...

yet here you are in this thread debating against a guy who does care and making silly comments about him gouging hi eyes out near swimming pools.

If you don't care about the subject matter then I can only assume your only here to troll him.

Originally posted by baritone3k

Originally posted by Lille7

I don't really care about the change, personally i felt it was unecessary, but it's nothing that's really worth complaining about :P

What i do wonder though is that people who see the people who play them as perverts also think people who watch cat videos on youtube is into beastiality?

Well played.

Well... not really well played...

If those cats were sexulised, in the way that some Furries insist on doing for example, then I would consider them as being into beastiality, yes.

The folks that are against the more sexualised version of the elin are not against all videos or whatever of small children, they are obviously just against the sexulisation.

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Does it really effect you? What do you do when you pass by a swimming poll with young girls in bikinis? Do you gouge your eyes out? Do you storm into the pool and demand they cover up so that you don't get aroused?

and does it really offend you that they ARE covered up?

Do you pass school playgrounds, stop, and demand all the girl strip down to their knickers and vests?

Look... Obviously some are more worried about the sexulisation of childish avatars then others, but I have to ask why are you so bothered that less flesh is on display?

Why does it bother you so?

I think personally in this case it is better to err on the side of caution myself.

Originally posted by alloin

- Graphics: All settings on highest and still graphics look a bit outdated, did they use better textures for promoclips ???

I believe that all the gfx option are not switched on yet.

'Outdated' though... what does that mean? If you mean simply 'old', then I have to disagree. The game is gorgous and is easily up to something like SWTOR environmentally,and WAY above that game models wise.

- Controls and casting: Do all classes stand still for a bit while casting ? Not even instant casts can be used while running???

Yeah, seems so. *Edit: seems that people that know more then me have expanded on this and that is a low level thing only*

- Framedrops now and then: can't be my computer, all setting to high, good hardware and still performance issues :(

Post your hardware etc? This kind of statement is impossible to discuss without details...  

It's all to easy to say 'it isn't me, it's the game'.

Originally posted by Dvalon

Your first mistake is caring what other people think about the game.

your second mistake is not having the balls to go try it for yourself and make your own mind up.

Exactly.

For example, Mike B loves SWTOR, it's all he is playing right now in his own words, and before that he loved DCUO....

*edit: Just saw it was another Mike B, not 'ours'... one of those guys needs a name change :P*

He seems a decent enough guy, but his taste isn't my taste.

The bottom line is that this and many other 'expert' sites and posters told me that SWTOR was the best game evah before and at launch... Luckily I had betad that one for myself and knew better. 

Originally posted by GTwander

Originally posted by amadman

Shame to hear that they had to shut it down.

As far as MO... Its not for every one for sure.

But the more people that give it a try the more people that it is for will find it.

True, but the devs need to figure out a 'mentorship' program, or better yet, a skillset, to trick half of the asshat population into being helpful. New players are castrated, and physically, rather than taken under-wing.

It's the same old story... PvPers killing their own game for their own short term lolz, and then wondering why no one stays.

PvP focused sandboxes will always ultimately fail because off the type of people that play them.

The sad fact is that those people cannot see that they are the issue.

Originally posted by MrBoots

You can't trust NCSoft to run a game.

Then it's a good thing that Game Forge is running the F2P.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Godwalker

It's an open world.  I don't know where people are getting an idea that it isn't.  It's as open of world as Aion is.

If that's the case, then I have to say Aion is not much of an open world. And I am a fan of Aion.

Vanguard is an open world, lineage 2 is an open world.

I agree, it isn't really all that 'open world', just as Aion wasn't, but it felt pretty damn huge and varied (in environment and mobs) so it is more sucessful then that game in it's creation of a 'open' space.

It is also, up to 22, very linear, but by that level I was already seeing it seemingly become less restricted.

The quest experience itself, taking away the combat, is extremely famialr to Aions, just over a bigger space. If someone didn't like the questing in that game they won't like this.

I personally felt the combat is the key to this game... it is good enough to elevate the standard into something better.

Originally posted by Quesa

 

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Originally posted by Vesavius

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Originally posted by Quesa

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Originally posted by Vesavius

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Originally posted by Quesa

There is even a business purpose for freeware.  People don't go off and create free things just because it's cool to do and you want to be a cool guy, there is always an angle.
A F2P game is essentially freeware in the sense that it doesn't cost anything to play it however that doesn't mean you get access to everything - much like freeware where you only get the basic functions but pay for the pro version.

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Freeware and Shareware aren't the same thing though. A 'F2P' MMO is essentially shareware really.
Freeware, alot of the time, actually does not have an business angle, past gaining the dev practical experience or a prfile in the programming community, though ofc a lot of it does exists to make money (through advertising or whatever).

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I didn't say anything about Shareware.  F2P has more in common with Freeware than Shareware.
And you are wrong about freeware not having a business angle.  The vast majority of freeware titles have some angle to them, whether that be direct monetary gains or indirect personal gains, such as adding something to a portfolio to help with job interviews.

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1. I didn't say you did say anything about shareware, I said you were using the freeware label wrongly and that F2P games fell under the shareware label .
If F2P MMOs were Freeware they would use advertising or some similar mechanism to fund themselves.

2. I didn't say all freeware didn't have a business angle... I said a lot of it didn't, but also a lot of it did. I highlighted that part in red.

Look, it's wikipedia I know, but have a read;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware 

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It's going to have to be a difference of opinion and interpretation of the various definitions of Freeware vs Shareware. 

Sure, if it makes you feel better ;)