Originally posted by Ravenmane

Hey Guys,

I had to take about a month long hiatus because of my job.  When I got back my legion had kicked me even though I explained there would be instances of me being gone for professional reasons.  So I asked in region chat to see if a legion was recruiting...nothing.  Trade channel...nothing.  Class channel...nothing.  I don't know if maybe people weren't paying attention or what (this was on Triniel btw [Elyos]).  So I roled a Asmodae on Israphael (?), leveled to 10 so I can chat (annoying but I understand why).  Again no legions seem to be recruiting. 

I went to the shard boards on the Aion forums and everyone that is recruiting seems to be legions that seem pretty established but looking for higher lvled players.  I don't have the luxury of a higher lvl character with which to join seeing as how my high lvl is only lvl 20.  Anyway, I figured I would post here to see what the deal was .  I'm trying to get reacquanted with the game, I really do enjoy it but I hate feeling like I'm just playing playing by myself when I don't have a legion to hang with, chat with, or group with.  Thanks guys.

-Raven

In  a game where guilds have limited slots then it makes sense that inactives are regularly cleared to make way for active recruits. A lot of guilds have definite caps on specific class for the same reasons... At this point, in a established guild, you are more likely to get in as a temp rather then a ranger for instance.

tbh, on a side note, a month is far too long to be gone and I would have kicked you as well.

Like most are saying here, established legions would want you to be higher then 20, but on my server (kahrun, one of the lightest I belive in terms of pop) I see start up and social family guilds recruiting all day, so I am not sure whats up with your luck.

Like most here have said as well, the only active channel is the global LFG, so I wouldnt worry about those others. As for the quality of the community... welll, it has improved light years from the first month now that the shiny new toy idiot kids have moved on. It was rough to start, sure, but now my server has settled down nicely. There will always be jerks and the egomaniacs, but on the whole I am very pleased with the general culture on kahrun,

Good luck in your search, I am sure it won't take very long. Like I say, on my server you could easily join 5 legions in a day from the amount of recruit spam I see.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by fyerwall

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by dreamscaper

This honestly drives me nuts. I see so many posts in this thread talking about the horrible grind in Aion. Which automatically makes me think, 'What grind?' I'm currently level 28 and have yet to do any grinding. I log on, I do a quest or two, then I jump into a group with my legion and go 'furback hunting'.

I blame the WoW 'the game starts at level 60/70/80' mentality for this. People are trying to 'grind' out the levels as fast as possible, because they think that's how it should be done. And if you try to do that in a game like Aion or Lineage2, it WILL be a massive grind.

<3

 

Well, that's what happens when a game is designed where certain options are only available after a certain level.

I'll give you an example: if I want to PvP but can only PvP after lvl 25, getting to 25 will be a grind.

 

Your example is false, the grind in aion really only starts to become noticable at around 39+, so I am not sure what that does to your theory.

Talking about this though, thank god they have acknowledged this issue and are taking steps to fix it. Imo, as they deal with the recognised problems (grind in the western market, spam, bots, etc) and add more and more features and content this game over the next year in versions 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, and beyond it will just grow and grow and grow.

I honestly havent felt this good and excited about the future of a game I am playing in a long long time.

His example isnt wrong because hes not saying it *is* a grind. Hes saying restriction mechanics can make aspects like that *feel* like a grind.
 

Kinda like when you know you are getting say a million dollars on Friday, but its still Sunday and the stipulation is that you have to go about your normal work day schedual until Friday comes. That whole 6 days will seem more of a grind than normal.

Thats what I got from reading his post.

 

Well, to not be false we would have to replace the word 'grind', which has a very clear definition, with 'chore' or similar.

it might be a chore to get to 25 if you are looking forward massively to PvP, but it isnt a grind... Aion simply isnt grindy at that point, according to the meaning of the word.

Assuming he meant what you think he meant, specifically using the word 'grind' in his example changes the meaning of it and makes it false.

 

We're arguing semantics, really. In the English dictionary the word 'grind' can be a number of things. Here are some of those definitions:

-to oppress, torment, or crush: to grind the poor.
-Slang. to annoy; irritate; irk: It really grinds me when he's late.
-Informal. to work or study laboriously (often fol. by away): He was grinding away at his algebra.
-laborious, usually uninteresting work: Copying all the footnotes was a grind.

Please explain to me how those four definitions do not work with my example.

I am not sure the Oxford English dictionary includes much gamer slang yet, so it isnt probably the best resource for this, but I guess you know that already and are just trying to be clever. We all know what grind means in a MMORPG, and if you don't then tbh your too new to the genre to even be having this conversation with any authority.

As for arguing semantics.. well, yes... the words used matter and one single one can change the entire meaning of the example given. When clear language isnt used it leads to confusion and pointless debates like we are having over interpretations about what he might or might not have meant, instead of actually discussing the topic at hand.

Tbh tho, have it your way, it's cool. Take what you want from what he said and I will do the same. I am sure civilisation won't crumble.

Originally posted by fyerwall

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by dreamscaper

This honestly drives me nuts. I see so many posts in this thread talking about the horrible grind in Aion. Which automatically makes me think, 'What grind?' I'm currently level 28 and have yet to do any grinding. I log on, I do a quest or two, then I jump into a group with my legion and go 'furback hunting'.

I blame the WoW 'the game starts at level 60/70/80' mentality for this. People are trying to 'grind' out the levels as fast as possible, because they think that's how it should be done. And if you try to do that in a game like Aion or Lineage2, it WILL be a massive grind.

<3

 

Well, that's what happens when a game is designed where certain options are only available after a certain level.

I'll give you an example: if I want to PvP but can only PvP after lvl 25, getting to 25 will be a grind.

 

Your example is false, the grind in aion really only starts to become noticable at around 39+, so I am not sure what that does to your theory.

Talking about this though, thank god they have acknowledged this issue and are taking steps to fix it. Imo, as they deal with the recognised problems (grind in the western market, spam, bots, etc) and add more and more features and content this game over the next year in versions 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, and beyond it will just grow and grow and grow.

I honestly havent felt this good and excited about the future of a game I am playing in a long long time.

His example isnt wrong because hes not saying it *is* a grind. Hes saying restriction mechanics can make aspects like that *feel* like a grind.
 

Kinda like when you know you are getting say a million dollars on Friday, but its still Sunday and the stipulation is that you have to go about your normal work day schedual until Friday comes. That whole 6 days will seem more of a grind than normal.

Thats what I got from reading his post.

Well, to not be false we would have to replace the word 'grind', which has a very clear definition, with 'chore' or similar.

it might be a chore to get to 25 if you are looking forward massively to PvP, but it isnt a grind... Aion simply isnt grindy at that point, according to the meaning of the word.

Assuming he meant what you think he meant, specifically using the word 'grind' in his example changes the meaning of it and makes it false.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by dreamscaper

This honestly drives me nuts. I see so many posts in this thread talking about the horrible grind in Aion. Which automatically makes me think, 'What grind?' I'm currently level 28 and have yet to do any grinding. I log on, I do a quest or two, then I jump into a group with my legion and go 'furback hunting'.

I blame the WoW 'the game starts at level 60/70/80' mentality for this. People are trying to 'grind' out the levels as fast as possible, because they think that's how it should be done. And if you try to do that in a game like Aion or Lineage2, it WILL be a massive grind.

<3

 

Well, that's what happens when a game is designed where certain options are only available after a certain level.

I'll give you an example: if I want to PvP but can only PvP after lvl 25, getting to 25 will be a grind.

Your example is false, the grind in aion really only starts to become noticable at around 39+, so I am not sure what that does to your theory.

Talking about this though, thank god they have acknowledged this issue and are taking steps to fix it. Imo, as they deal with the recognised problems (grind in the western market, spam, bots, etc) and add more and more features and content this game over the next year in versions 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, and beyond it will just grow and grow and grow.

I honestly havent felt this good and excited about the future of a game I am playing in a long long time.

Originally posted by Furor

if you have been permanently banned and can't get the ban lifted, then you need explicit permission from ncsoft before you can buy a new account, all written down in the ToS for everyone's reference.
 

This line in new tos revision says if you were one of the banned players you need ncsoft's permission to rebuy a new cd key to play aion,

otherwise you are going to be rebanned without notice.

this is for players who dont bother reading the tos agreement whenever they log into the game, but its there now.

:)

 

 

 

I honestly don't know why you get the grief on these boards that you do Fur tbh...

I don't see anything like trolling in your posts, simply just information offered for discussion. These are stramge and hostile forums the best of times tho :/

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by Ephimero

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by xapno

Originally posted by veego590

Originally posted by glofish

Originally posted by veego590

 

Whatever happens with YOUR account is YOUR responsibility. Coming here and claiming that it is somehow NCSOft's fault that you have not secured your account is ludicrous.

 

You are at fault 100% Bailiff! case closed. All rise.

 

 So let me get this straight..its MY fault some random guy hacked into my account for whatever reason he chose me at random..and got my account banned? Its Ncsofts lack of security that should have prevented him getting my master account information.. how could I have prevented myself from getting hacked form THEIR end??

 

Ignorant people like you deserve to have there account stolen after a post like this.

You do not get "hacked" unless you downloaded something you shouldnt have. Someone does not steal your info without infecting you a type or spyware or virus.

Im going to take a wild guess you downloaded a bot, and then lost your account ? humm keylogged maybe.

They cant secure your computer for you.

There are 1000 different ways you could have had your account stolen, but in the end, its your fault for not protecting yourself.

 

Great logic there. Why dont we apply that to all criminal activities.

"Oh you get raped in the park during night in a dangerous neighborhood. Why where you walking in a park, during night in a dangerous neigborhood? Ignorant people like you deserve to get raped.

There are 1000 ways to get raped and in the end it is your fault for getting raped, not the rapist or society for not providing enough security"

Hacking is an illegal activity and it is never a victims fault he got hacked.

 

If I go to a bar filled with black people, wearing a torch and a white dress/cone hat, would my broken ribs be my fault?

 

No.

 

Because the people attacking you (however RIGHT it might appear in the case you just mentioned....hell, I'm white and I'd WANT to beat the shit out of you MYSELF).....STILL MAKE THE CHOICE TO ATTACK YOU.

 

When the fuck did people stop taking accountability for their own ACTIONS in this world. No one MAKES you do ANYTHING. Unless you're a complete and utter moron, you make decisions and take actions, of your own volition....and that is regardless of what stimuli preceded YOUR action.

 

Personal accountability is a two way street.

Yes, they would be at fault for beating him, of course, because there are other ways to deal with morons who would do such a thing, but he would also be at fault for putting himself knowingly into that dangerous situation and intentionally inviting attack.

Both parties are to blame, neither is blamless. Both are accountable. Both created the situation. It isnt a case of one or the other.

I have seen this debate 263545 times and because people polarise into opposite camps, fixated on the narrow view that one side alone must be to blame, it never goes anywhere so it's usually a pointless discussion.

On topic though, what this means to the OP is that yes, if he went to dubious sites or DLed apps he shouldnt have, he is equally to blame as the hacker and deserves exactly what he got.

What is clear though is that this thread title is misleading and inflammotory in it's cry that NCS screwed him over. They did nothing of the sort. The hacker stole the account, NCS just (correctly) banned an account that showed illegal activity. I hate the way people make emo posts like this instead of just following the correct process in order to attempt to regain their account.

My personal feeling though is that the OP isnt what he seems and this situation never even happened. I would need to see (appropriatly edited) copies of the email he recieved after submitting his CS ticket discussing it before I gave his claims any weight whatsoever.

How would we realistically be able to compare all of those servers to make a valid judgement? You think we have played them all to 25+?

This thread is a disaster already.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Thanks...

 

 

...for the attitude.

You see? It worked!

lol

lol at 116 views and not one person bothering to say thanks or what a waste...

Leeches I tell ya! Leeches!

I guess I should jave flamed the world, insulted someone, or said this or that game omfg suxxors to get a respnose around here :P

Originally posted by veego590

Originally posted by Frostbite05

what i don't get is the lack of total posts on your account here. Leads one to believe your a fake. Not saying you are just putting a little extra ammo for the others out there.

 

I just lurked this forum for the most part. Do you really think I want to take part in the "enlightening" conversations on the mmorpg.com forums? :P

Yet here you are. Having a conversation with us.

Apparently we were good enough to rage to when you felt you had a grievance that you felt the need to share with us all, but not before. Some would say that people like you are the very reason these boards get clogged up with worthless trash threads.

Btw, your thread topic title is unnecessarily emotive and inflammitory, not to mention simply untrue. NCS didnt screw you, the 'hacker' did (if he exists). All NCS did was police their game. Your anger is misdirected.

Originally posted by Jonsus

As of yet Aion has only received one game update and the necessary stabilization patches after said update's release, bringing it up to version 1.5.4. What you saw in that recent trailer is supposed to be Aion 3.0, so its still a good ways off, glimmering on the horizon.

This is incorrect.

The Vision trailer is not version 3.0, it's just general future content that will be delivered when it's ready and when the time is right. This could be in 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5 or whatever.

It has been confirmed the material shown is around 85% live on Dev servers already, so at least a healthy part of what you saw is prbably a lot closer then some people think..

Originally posted by veego590

So let me start this off by saying I liked Aion, much like many people did at launch date. However after the month free play was up, I decided that the lack of content and the ammount of grind simply wasn't worth it. So I didn't renew my subscription. No big deal, right? Well apparently not.

Everyone knows bot's are a huge issues in game. Everyone knows they gold spam like mofo's. And everyone knows they get banned. Well somehow someone/some program hacked into my NCsoft Master account, took my credit card information and billed one month ($14.99). Keep in mind I already canceled my Aion account, and this was well over a month after I did so. I caneled on October 18th, and I got billed Noveber 22nd to be exact.

Hold on. I'm not done. Sure I could get a refund for the month that was charged, and thats exactly what I was going to do. Except when I tried to log onto my plaync master account, I find that I could no longer log onto it..I called support and I find out that I was BANNED for illegal activites. In fact I just got banned today. Funny, I was at work today, and I haven't played the game since October.

Apparently now there is no way for me to get my account back because of this illegal activities. So I pretty much just wasted 80 bucks (Just HAD to get that limited collectors edition..). And Ncsoft is doing absoulutely nothing about it. Has this bullshit happened to anybody else? I know botting was a problem in game but  bots HACKING into other peoples gaming accounts and getting THEM banned..and Ncsoft doesn't give a crap..thats bullshit.

 

Well, for one, they clearly state that bannings were actioned based on a history of activity and not what you was doing at the time of the banning, so I guess you being at work at that specific time is irrelevant.

Secondly, NCS also clearly state the appeal method to be followed for them to double check your situation, and it dosent involve emoing all over public forums.

http://na.aiononline.com/forums/general/view?articleID=9140

You say you were hacked... maybe you was, maybe you wasnt... I guess all the guys accounts that were proven to have botted etc are going to say they were hacked...  I don't know you or your agenda behind this post and have no reason to trust you or what you are saying or why you are saying it.

Can you reproduce, with sensitive info removed natch, the email they sent you after you had created you CS ticket about this issue?

On the plus side, thanks for helping to confirm (if this all actually happened ofc) that NCS are taking agressive action vs bots. It's my number one issue with the game and so it's great to see :)

I can't think of any sub based AAA MMOs that have had  free trials in the first 6 months, so why should aion? There is more then enough information around to make an informed purchase anyhow, so I personally don't see the big need for a trial right now.

I guess they will have free trials when the sub levels demand it.

Originally posted by abyss610

Originally posted by vesavius

Yeah, seems to be some kind of monk class. Who knows tho :)

I hope it is a melee personally, and one capable of acting as MT (using avoidence instead of mitigation)... Tanks seem one of the hardest classes to come by due to their ltd PvP capability before end game, at least on my server anyhow.

 

meh not me, hoping for a HIGH damage dealer like EQOA monks. but that thing the class right before it in the video (wich appears  to be a templar or tank of some sort) should have enough appeal to draw in more tanks. that thing he did with his shield looked pretty sweet.

We already have enough DPS classes tho... What you describe is just a sin with no weapons. What we need is, imo, a PvP effective MT class that can kick ass from L25 onwards.

The Inescapable Judgement shield thing... well... it's just that right? A simple shield with an already exisitng ability, but with a follow through lock down (or so it looked) isnt likely to swell the Templar ranks. It's no more likely to draw people to the temp then the xbow is to a ranger to my mind.

I guess we just wait and see tho :)

Originally posted by Soki123

Hi my wife and I are planning on picking up Aion soon maybe today, just wondering whats a good duo. We re leaning towards Cleric/Gladiator. Would this do well? To me it seems so tank/dps and a healer.

Thanks

Tbh, and I say this loving 85% of what Aion does, it isnt a game built for duoing...

It's mainly solo content, where duoing will destroy your xp to the point where you will need to grind to lvl from a early stage, or full group which speaks for itself. There isnt much inbetween.

The only place where duoing shines is grinding repeatables for AP and coins in the abyss imo, where the improved kill rate and added anti-PK security is  bonus.

Other people may have had different experiences, but this is what me and the GF found when we tried levelling characters as a standing duo from L1.

It's actually a big part of the game I felt less then impressed with tbh...

Yeah, seems to be some kind of monk class. Who knows tho :)

I hope it is a melee personally, and one capable of acting as MT (using avoidence instead of mitigation)... Tanks seem one of the hardest classes to come by due to their ltd PvP capability before end game, at least on my server anyhow.

I see a lot of people calling the new trailer 'the Aion 3.0 movie' and I think thats spreading confusion. I am sorry if this is obvious to some, but I see the same misunderstanding repeated again and again.

It isnt.

What the trailer actually is is a broad statement of intent, literally a vision of where Aion is going. It isnt version specific. It is an overview of what is all but ready to go in and what is being worked on still to go in. It simply dosent represent a single update.

In fact, it isnt a statement of what will be in 3.0 at all, the stuff shown can as easily be included in 2.0, 2.5. 3.0, and even 3.5 or whatever, as and when the content becomes ready to introduce and it makes sense to do so. the fact that most of it is live on the dev servers should give those that are hungry for what they see some hope for sooner rather then later though I think.

Don't despair at 3.0 being so far off... You will probably be seeing a lot of this stuff sooner then you think :)

Originally posted by greed0104

huh? What problems were you having? I had a problem with the loading screen which has been caused by a memory leak I assumed, It didn't prevent me from enjoying the game as a whole though.

Drop by the technical support forums for a wider picture.

After the mess of the Dragon Age launch, does anyone REALLY have any faith in them smooth launching a MMO? Really? Honestly?

I mean, a MMO is about 100 times more complex then a single player and they can;t even get that right.  Not to mention the audiences are a LOT less forgiving in a single player...

From what I have seen here theres no way I would be pre ordering SWtOR.... and thats coming from a long time buyer of Bioware games. Definitly one to wait and watch what happens I think.

Lets not even start to talk about Bioware/ EA's love of 'additional' content and whatever via RMT...

Originally posted by Furor

I just hit level 45 today as cleric, lol yes level 40-45 is HARD CORE GRIND. And because i am hardcore enough it takes 450 hours of 12 hours grind to get to where i am level 45. From level 45-50 its even harder core then 40-45. it takes about 370 hours of gameplay im assuming. level 40-50 is where you can seperate between the man and boy. its the most hardcore of them all.

If you survived past level 30 you can probably get to max cap but those who are asking is the grinding at level 40-50 harder?

the answer is yes its extremely hardcore harder even heavily grinding you'll ever seen.

levels 40-50 is what seperates us from man to boy.

 The questions remains " Are you man enough to grind to level 50?"

lol.

Character name and server please?