Originally posted by jabombadus

2.  WOW is the "Windows" of the mmo world.  There is no reason why it can't patch/update/expansion its way to immortality.  It's too good, it's too big, it's gonna be here for your grandkids. 

No. WoW is the Wordpad of the MMO genre.

It runs on any PC. It's prettier than the bare-bones Notepad, but not impressive. People who've only ever used Wordpad don't understand why there's a need for any other document program. Sure, it is accessible, popular, and will probably be around a long time. That doesn't make it great and it doesn't make innovation for better document programs unnecessary.

Once you've learned how to type, change fonts, use bullets, and play with colors... it's time to move on to a more complicated program. People will laugh at you if you go around sneering that other programs that also let you change fonts are just copying Wordpad.

One of the most annoying parts of hunting for a new MMO is reading the same "but but but WoW does....!" posts on forums for the umpteenth time. The influx of WoW players all expecting the new game be WoW in space, or WoW with Hobbits, or WoW with RvR is beyond grating. I hope they keep the WoW servers live forever so the fanboys can stay there.

I pretty much entirely disagree.

Do people still think these developers give a crap if you unsub? It's a dead horse, but again, look at SWG. A mass exodus from that game and SoE gave a collective "meh."

How long has a significant portion of the MMO community been begging for more sandbox and less theme park rails? Has that materialized just because you didn't buy the lifetime from LOTRO? Players opinions are the lowest on the totem pole cause developers have bean-counters to answer to. As long as WoW keeps boasting millions of subs, companies are going to chase it with imitation.

If you can find a game you'll like and play for more than 12 months, save yourself a few bucks and buy the lifetime. Spending more than you have to under the dillusion that a company will care what you think or if you unsub is foolishness. They just pocket more of your money while doing what they were going to do anyway.

Originally posted by Thradar

Originally posted by beaverz

That or you cna do like we did right after they released it, join a group of kinamtes and do them while on vent.

Not turbine's fault if you dont have ingame "friends"

 

I hate this mentality.  I hate people who think everyone plays games exactly like they do.  Some people don't have time to level to 50 in a month, or blitz through Moria in 7 days.  There are a lot of people who lag behind the blitz and have to beg, plead, and grovel to get people to help them with quests...kin, ingame "friends," or not.

Some of you guys just don't get the fact that some of us have lives and can't log in 5 minutes after they apply a patch/expansion to rush through content while a large group of others do the same.  All we're asking is that you stop being selfish and take 15 minutes to help us with a hard quest when you see us ask in LFF channel.

I guarantee you that at the end of the day both you and I will be better off for it.

Argh, responses like this really chap my ass.

Who said joining a kin or doing new content requires a player to be hardcore? 

And let's talk about who is being selfish in this scenario. You choose to isolate yourself by being guildless, but the random strangers in the zone are supposed to drop what they are doing so you can get what you want when you want it?  It's everyone else's obligation to get you through content? To hell with making friends, other players are simply a means to an end?

Shockingly enough, I don't play games exactly like you do. I don't like pugs.  In my experience, joining a pug is asking for fights over loot, clumsy battles, and afkers on /follow to leech credit. I've got my kin and my alliance of players that I can run with. That's how I enjoy MMOs. Some of you guys just don't get the fact that your attitudes are a part of the problem. Some of you are the reason I joined a guild so I could avoid pugs indefinitely.

Originally posted by Samira24

I did try it but did not enjoy.

Everyone is rushing through the content, nobody takes the time to enjoy it, i guess most have done it at least 3 or 4 times before.

When you ask questions you get silly answers, in an instance they kicked me because i did not know the way.

recanceled my subscription again.

bye LOTRO.

 

Try holding your breath until you find a game where you never encounter jerks when PUGing and let us know how that turns out.  PEBCAK.

Elendilmir is a pretty hoppin' server. Got a decent mix of gamers and RPers, so there are lots of people at every level.

For the standard-resolution version, click HERE. For the high-resolution version, click HERE.

I've sent keys to everyone that's PMed me with an email addy.  If anyone goes to Elendilmir and is looking for a casual friendly group, look me up. Chars: Solinar and Gwyndolyn.

Invite sent. Enjoy!

Codemasters doesn't distribute the US client. You have to get that from Turbine.

Turbine has temporarily closed their open trials. They want people to buy the expansion.

But, current players can still email out referrals, which would email you a link to get the US client and connect to US servers.

I can email you one, just need your addy.

I can send you a Buddy key. PM me your email addy.

I'll jump on the 'housing kinda sucks' bandwagon. I played SWG and after that DAoC. DAoC had some hook points, but only for specific features, like crafting tables and vendors. Players were free to decorate at will.

My primary frustration is that it's a trend with Turbine to put something in, even if it isn't really great, just so they can check it off of a list of features to slap on the marketing. They were warned, loudly and almost unanimously, by the participants on the testing server that housing was going to land with a dull thud and it did.

As far as I am concerned, housing in LOTRO is just a slightly larger but much more difficult to access bank vault. Housing has a lot more functionality and appeal in other MMOs.

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

I think this is hilarious. I am watching the History channel, which is talking about Nazism in the United States through out the past century and then I read this hate related thread. The OP hates AoC because it is different and is "watering" down the pure genre or "race."

Godwin in play. Thread over.

Originally posted by SaibotKang

 

Originally posted by Gaylen

Good lord, you want to split hairs about what to call them?

The entity/ies which control/s the copyrights and liscensing for multi-media projects and products in relation to the written works of The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit by J. R. R. Tolkien were consulted and had final approval, as reported in the New York Times.

Or is that not quite specific enough for you?

 

Its not splitting hairs at all son, Tolkien Enterprises is an independent company that bought the rights to LOTR and The Hobbit a long time ago, Tolkien Estate are the authors immediate family members, the latter is suing the former, its hard to get much seperate than that, hard to say that is "splitting hairs". Just because the name is similiar doesnt mean anything, especialy if you want to be correct, as I was, after the other dude told me I was completely wrong. Im right, and I like being right, specifically. It happens a lot so get used to it.

Does it change the reality that there is an entity which has the power to veto aspects of the game which violate the lore of Tolkien's writings, and entity which would not and did not give the approval for full PvP servers?

The name of that entity is besides the point. Everyone here understood the point. Your 'rightness' on the name of the entity is about as important to the discussion as if you had taken issue with my punctuation choices. So yea, you are just splitting hairs to be a nit-picky smart ass. You're kind of 'right' is very small and petty, so please do suck what little enjoyment there is in being that kind of right.

Originally posted by markaedw

there is also Habbo Hotel and OZ, both are in the games list.

Habbo is more of a party/chatroom.  The graphics are shockwave and look like legos, but it is specifically geared to 13-18 crowd.  Since it uses micro payments she can play with her babysitting money

Find a game that has some kind of moderation or supervision so she can report any harassment. Most pay-to-play MMOs are going to be more reliable and safe in that respect.

LOTRO is a good option. It isn't graphic, there isn't much in the way of gore or skin. She can choose to sit around and chit chat while she crafts, fishes, plays music, or dresses up her character with the outfit system. When I babysit for my 11 year old niece, she sits at the Auction House and buys clothes to put on my characters.  I have a guildie that spent the entire first year of the game sitting in the Shire just chatting with people, never broke L20 until just recently. Most of the starter areas have mostly non-aggressive mobs and safe roads, so she would be able to get around without being forced to fight. They also keep the PvP in a seperate zone, so she wouldn't be harassed by gankers. The community is also mostly friendly and polite.

Whatever game she plays, make sure someone will be able to check in on who she's talking to and what they are saying. The are a lot of freaks and pervs out there.

Originally posted by salvaje

I play EVE.

Any SWG vet who found a new game that isn't EVE...  Is playing a version of the NGE.  Seriously.

 

The difference is they know that going in before they purchase the game and fork over months worth of subscription fees. They are playing the game they paid for, which wasn't the case with the NGE.

Good lord, you want to split hairs about what to call them?

The entity/ies which control/s the copyrights and liscensing for multi-media projects and products in relation to the written works of The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit by J. R. R. Tolkien were consulted and had final approval, as reported in the New York Times.

Or is that not quite specific enough for you?

Why do you make the assumption that no other SWG vet has found another game to play? Why do NGE fans always assert this narrative that SWG vets do nothing but sit in their basements and blog about SWG?

Of course vets are doing other things. Of course we are finding other games. We are just still unhappy our game went to hell. (People still bitch about TPM after 10 years, this is what the SW fandom does.)

We got screwed by a company. Every consumer warns others away from companies that treat their customers like crap. Anytime it comes up, even with complete strangers, I encourage people who can to avoid Comcast at all costs. I have a story about Davids Bridal that I tell every bride-to-be I meet.

When a company is confronted with their terrible treatment of their customers and they refuse to  acknowledge the offenses occurred, let alone offer compensation, then their future potential customers ought to hear about it. The gaming industry doesn't have a Better Business Bureau, so spreading the word on the internet is the next best thing.

So your assumption that the presence of a vet on message boards to talk about SWG inherently means they aren't playing anything else is flawed. I could make the same assumption about you. No matter how many times you tell us you're a vet and you've totally moved on ('The lady doth protest too much, methinks.), that you really must have an empty life if you felt compelled to rant about people who rant about SWG.

And your comment about women holding grudges just confirms you're an asshole. You want to make a tired, unoriginal "on the rag" joke while you're at it? If you can't find a way to express yourself without taking a crack at chicks, then you can shut your own huge mouth.

He asked about combat pets, specifically (and with extra CAPS). Didn't seem like he wanted info on cosmetic pets.  /shrug

Yes, there is a Legendary trait for an eagle. They also added a lynx pet which can, amongst other things, stealth.

To be honest, I was very disappointed they used rigid classes, and so few, from the beginning. I've been waiting for a new game to use something more like the old SWG skill-based advancment, but I'm smart enough to know that's a long shot. The genre is moving in this direction because it's easier to develop+balance and easier for players new to MMOs to pick up.

Despite that, skill-based advancement would have been such a great fit for LotR. Some of the characters in the Fellowship can be easy classified as a Guardian or Hunter, but not all. Sam, for instance, was part Guardian, part Minstrel, part Burglar. Aragorn was part Champion and Captain. There's so much room in the story for characters to play more than one role, I really think Turbine missed an opportunity and went with the path of least resistance. I understand the reasons why, but it's still disappointing.