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Originally posted by ray12k

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/20/gta-5-sales-hit-1-billion-in-three-days

The future of gaming will be listed in Rated R+.

I don't know, the most violent games I've played have been mmo's.  The main point of most of them is killing things.  We've had FPS since Wolfenstein, where the main point was to...kill things (in that case humans).  This has been a staple of video games since well before the Grand Theft Auto series.   I still remember the uproar over the Terminator 2 tie in arcade game.  People were up in arms because you could shoot the police and bystandards.  This is nothing new.  It is the foundation of video games.

Originally posted by Swids2010
Why is this even being talked about I'm sure this site is for MMO's in no way is GTAV a mmo and even when GTA online release's it wont be a MMO don't want to see pointless crap talked about on these forums one of the last MMO sites I like.

My guess would be because they have a general gaming subforum for non mmo games.  That would appear to be where this was posted.

Originally posted by 5Luck
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by ray12k
Originally posted by Hulluck
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by OG_Zorvan
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by Morrok

 


Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
Any business (at least in America) can refuse to serve someone.



But no business can take my money and not deliver the service or product.

Movie theater example again for those who missed it the first time...

Got to a theater, purchase a ticket for a movie, and once inside, start to behave like a douche, making noise and shouting during the movie, launching popcorn and spraying soda on other moviegoers. Let's see how long you last, let's see if they let you finish the movie, let's see if you get a refund.

Point being, if you purchase access to a place with specific rules, be it in "real" life or online, and you break the rules, they can kick you out, and rightfully so, without refunding a cent. They will actually also make you pay the eventual damage you did.

Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by evilastro

If you had a subscription to a gym and you started abusing the staff there, you would be asked not to return and you would no longer be able to access the service, even though you paid for it. 

Frat boys partying in their hotel rooms (legally paid for, service) get tossed out by the cops every day,somewhere. Nope, no refund boys, and that damage is going on your CC too. Is she 21? The cops are going to ask.

Excellent examples too.

And both bad examples. Those are examples of specific owners of specific properties enforcing their own rules. What we are talking about here is Sony taking it upon themselves to police the entire fucking internet because some horse-faced nitwit Community Manager didn't get laid enough in high school, has found herself in a dead -end job, and wants to play with what little bit of power she can grab..

And if she's reading this, she can ban my ass for all I care, it's not hard to find my accounts. Numbnuts broad makes Smedley look like a freakin' Grade A genius.

Good job, I do believe you've managed to prove Linda's point perfectly.

 

I'm trying to understand where he's coming from and it really doesn't make sense to me.  I get it to a point but here's where I keep getting stuck.

-Is "ok" and has no problem with putting  real info out there for the world to see.  Or at the very least linking multiple accounts together across networks / services so that these accounts are easily identified as being said person if any of them are linked to an SOE run site. In that case real information wouldn't be needed as they are linked.

(Stop here if the above is not true:  SOE would not know who you are across sites if you didn't do one of the above. Simple fact is they are not going to try and find out either unless this person has done something severe enough to warrant it.

- If first is true: Be a dick, actually no. More like be the worst of the worst cunts out there on the World Wide Web so that you stand out above all the other trolling SOE customers.

- Raise Hell: When SOE decides that they might not want said persons money anymore or to be associated with this person because of their public behavior, raise hell.

 

Seems like there's a simple solution/work around for the moment at least if one wants to be a total dick-wad.  That said and in general: I'm almost to the point of smacking myself in the face over and over.  How is this even an issue? Does anyone who doesn't agree with this not see the irony? Not in regards to anything Zorvan said or anyone else but the "broad picture" and this so called "issue".  At some point a person has had to breach their own precious privacy enabling SOE to link their SOE held accounts to social media / off-site accounts. Maybe I am thinking to much into it and the hamster got going a bit to fast. 

 

 

NAH.... They want to control how their games are perceived. And are making a policy of threatening their player base for opposing them.

Sad part is the fan boys are lining up in carebear stare  mode protecting this idiotic stance...

Each new post from Ray2K, containing more or less veiled insults towards those who don't agree with him, proves that SoE may be on the right track actually. Even worse with OG_Zorvan, who is directly insulting a SoE female worker on her physical appearance and with childish assumptions about her sex life.

If people like that get perma-banned from future games I will play, I won't waste a tear.

And for some reason the ignore list isnt enough for you. are you so inept that you would threaten freedom of speech across the entire internet just because you dont know who to click a button?

Argh, not this again.  Freedom of speech only means that the government won't do anything to you if you call someone mean names.  It doesn't mean that you won't get kicked out of their house, business, etc.  Even on the internet.   You can call people mean names, but you may face consequences, just not from the government.  That is all freedom of speech guarantees, and it doesn't always guarantee that.

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan
Originally posted by AlBQuirky

 


Originally posted by JRRNeiklot

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by JRRNeiklot
And so, when I leave Sony's website or game and retreat to my Facebook page, I should be able to say what I want.  They should not be banning people.  Say I don't like cursing.  Is it ok for me to come to your house and demand you never say "damn?"


I can demand you never say 'damn' and if you do, you are not coming into my house.

And that's absolutely fine, although you just said it, so you'll have to throw yourself out.  :-)  But Sony is suggesting I can't say it in my OWN house.

Facebook is NOT your house. Tone done the entitlement a bit, please. The internet is the same as standing on a street corner and spewing your bile at the top of your lungs, expecting only selected ears to hear you. It is nothing like doing anything in the "PRIVACY" (important word there) of your own home.

 

Facebook is not Sony's house either, yet you think they can write their own rules for sites out of their control?

But they aren't writing rules for someone elses house.  They are writing rules for their own house.  They aren't banning you from twitter if you make a stupid comment on twitter, they are banning you from their service.

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by Morrok

 


Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
Any business (at least in America) can refuse to serve someone.



But no business can take my money and not deliver the service or product.

Movie theater example again for those who missed it the first time...

Got to a theater, purchase a ticket for a movie, and once inside, start to behave like a douche, making noise and shouting during the movie, launching popcorn and spraying soda on other moviegoers. Let's see how long you last, let's see if they let you finish the movie, let's see if you get a refund.

Point being, if you purchase access to a place with specific rules, be it in "real" life or online, and you break the rules, they can kick you out, and rightfully so, without refunding a cent. They will actually also make you pay the eventual damage you did.

Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by evilastro

If you had a subscription to a gym and you started abusing the staff there, you would be asked not to return and you would no longer be able to access the service, even though you paid for it. 

Frat boys partying in their hotel rooms (legally paid for, service) get tossed out by the cops every day,somewhere. Nope, no refund boys, and that damage is going on your CC too. Is she 21? The cops are going to ask.

Excellent examples too.

And both bad examples. Those are examples of specific owners of specific properties enforcing their own rules. What we are talking about here is Sony taking it upon themselves to police the entire fucking internet because some horse-faced nitwit Community Manager didn't get laid enough in high school, has found herself in a dead -end job, and wants to play with what little bit of power she can grab..

And if she's reading this, she can ban my ass for all I care, it's not hard to find my accounts. Numbnuts broad makes Smedley look like a freakin' Grade A genius.

Employers are doing this as well, you can lose your job for posts on facebook/twitter.  You can also be refused hire.  Companies are doing this, I don't know that I agree with it, but it is within their right to do so as private entities.  SOE can ban your account for the same things.  I am much more ok with what SOE is doing that than companies firing people or not hiring them, though I know they are doing it for the same reasons.

Originally posted by AlBQuirky

 


Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

Originally posted by urdriel
WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,¡¡¡¡¡

 

So, if I buy a new car, and i talk shyt about it in internet, the company can send an employee to MY house and steal MY car??



Of course, by some peoples logic. Why not? Apparently it's the companies right to do so.

Can you not see the difference between paying for a service and buying a physical product?  A service will have stipulations in place that can at times restrict your access or even revoke your access to those services. This is no different.

I purchased Everquest 1. I own the physical copy. Everquest 1 is free-to-play. I'm no longer paying for a service with SOE. I have an absolute right to play their game because I've purchased the product.

Should you get banned by SOE, will you still have the EQ game you purchased? The "physical" copy? Your $30 (or $60) did NOT buy your access to the game, except possibly your first 30 days. That is what your $15 every month purchased. You will still have your CD (or download). Just no more access to the game(s).

 

People better start reading and, more importantly, UNDERSTANDING their TOSs and EULAs. Your original purchase did not "give" you unlimited access to their service, in this case EQ1.

If it is free, create another account for free. Get your IP banned, to bad, so sad. SOE "owes" you nothing.

This is what urdriel does not grasp. A car is NOT a service. Neither is a house or any other kind of physical product, NOT a service. A service provider does, indeed, have the right to refuse their services to anyone they deem not worthy, or irresponsible enough.

Not only that but several people have linked to court cases in the U.S. (at the federal level, and this only applies to the U.S.) that show the 9th circuit court of appeals and the 7th circuit court of appeals ruling in favor of not being able to resell software if the TOS/EULA that you agree to states that you are licensing the software, which is what nearly every mmo states.  It has also been ruled that companies can change the EULA/TOS at any time and as long as you click the "accept" button, you are agreeing to their terms.  They can't put anything in there that breaks the law, but as I said, it has already been ruled that you aren't purchasing a game, even if you got it on disk, you are licensing it.  Even if it said you purchased it in the original EULA, they have changed it to say that you are licensing it, and if you have logged in at some point in the last 7 years you have agreed to the new EULA/TOS.  This is settled law in the U.S., but I can't speak to other countries.

Originally posted by Elikal

Well then... DON'T harrass?

 

Look, we live in an age where game devs have received verbal death threats on social media websites. It is sad, very sad, but I think a MMO company has to draw some lines. One dev I think it was from Bioware recently quit over death threats to their family. Because of a video game! I think it should be in relation to the "crime", but on the issue of harassing... let's... not do this?

Is there a risk for abusing it from SOE? Certainly. But neither game developers nor fellow players are supposed to be target practice for personal insults or death threats.

 

As to the "freedom of speech" thing. Yes you are free to say developer X is an ugly dimwit, but SOE is free to say, he fine, we no longer make any deals with you.

 

 

tl;dr: Be well mannnered are we all are happier.

 

EDIT: On strictly legal terms, I am NOT so sure a permaban would hold in court. I mean, I am no lawyer, but if you BOUGHT a MMO, and you can't play it because you are banned, you technically have a product that does not function anymore they way you paid for. So CAN a company perma-ban you without a refund of the game? Or at all? Did anyone ever sue a company and fight against a permaban before a court? I dunno. A TOS is not so meaningful as companies tell us, because a TOS can not deprive you of rights. A store can ban you based on a crime, like when you steal. But insulting someone isn't so much a crime by the book. Tricky question. Does anyone know if anyone ever sued succesfully against a permaban?

I don't know if anyone has successfully sued against a permaban, but I do know that the federal courts in the U.S. have ruled that if the TOS/EULA states that you are licensing software rather than purchasing it (which is how pretty much all mmo's word their TOS/EULAs) then you can't resell it.  European countries have more consumer protection laws and have ruled differently.  So, it just depends on where you live.

Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by kartool
As a private business they have the right to refuse service for pretty much any reason they want. I wish more companies would stop tolerating assholes, bullies and exploiters. One of the smartest bosses I ever had once said "If you have a customer who is costing you money and wasting your time, then fire them and let your competition deal with them."  

lol, I had a manager who pretty much said the same thing. And definitely agree with it.

I generally tell those I'm supervising that the customer can say whatever they want about the company itself, but the second they make it personal with the employee the employee should feel free to ask the person to leave, and to call security if they don't.  Under no circumstances does an employee need to be insulted.  Some employees take it and move on, but they know they don't have to.  (unless they are complaining about one of the employees in which case it should come directly to me) 

Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by psiic
 

LOL they do not care about EULA / TOS because federal courts have ruled 3 times now that EULA / TOS have no legal grounds and no binding arbitration. 

Basically they are worthless words put there as a suggestion only, the main purpose of them is to scare and or confuse the average uneducated gamer.

This is factually false.

Federal courts have not issued a ruling on this matter although different circuits have.

7th Circuit deemed one case to be 'enforceable'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProCD_v._Zeidenberg

I'm not sure why so many people think that their consumer rights are stronger than they actually are.  I can only speak to the U.S. but consumer rights when it comes to digital content are a joke, but people seem to think the opposite.  This is why steam can ban you and your thousands of dollars in digital games goes "poof."  I know I would much rather have much stronger pro-consumer laws, but that just isn't the case.  

I also found an interesting piece discussing software license jurisprudence in the U.S. (again for our non-U.S. readers, the EU has stronger "pro-consumer" laws).

 

The rationale underlying ProCD has also been extended to the electronic variation of the shrinkwrap -- the clickwrap. See DeJohn v. TV Corp. Int’l., 245 F.Supp.2d 913 (C.D. Ill. 2003) (holding that clickwrap agreement was enforceable and not an adhesion contract because user expressly indicated that he read, understood, and agreed to terms when he clicked box on Web site); see also Barnett v. Network Solutions, Inc., 38 S.W.3d 200, 203-04 (Ct of App. Tx 2001) ("by the very nature of the electronic format of the contract, [the plaintiff] had to scroll through that portion of the contract containing the forum selection clause before he accepted its terms…and that parties to a contract are not excused from the consequences resulting from failure to read the contract").

In fact, the rationale for enforcing clickwraps is even stronger than for enforcing shrinkwraps. The concern over unfair adhesion contract terms has been substantially reduced because clickwraps require an affirmative assent, not required in shrinkwraps, to the specific terms of the license. See Hughes v. McMenamon, 204 F.Supp.2d 178, 181 (D. Mass. 2002) (finding a clickwrap agreement with a forum selection clause to be valid and enforceable); see also I. Lan Sys., Inc. v. Netscout Serv. Level Corp., 183 F. Supp. 2d 328 (D. Mass. 2002) (clickwrap agreement was enforceable under the laws of the Uniform Commercial Code, because plaintiff explicitly accepted the clickwrap license agreement when it clicked the box stating "I agree"); see also Register.Com, Inc. v. Verio, Inc., 126 F.Supp.2d 238 (S.D.N.Y 2000) (holding that even though user was not required to click on an icon indicating that it accepted terms, the submission of a query itself manifested assent to be bound by contract); see also Hotmail Corp. v. Van Money Pie, Inc., 1998 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 10729, No. C98-20064, 1998 WL 388389 (N.D. Cal. April 16, 1998) (in an action for preliminary injunction, the court found that an Internet provider was likely to succeed on breach of contract claim where defendants breached terms of "clickwrap" service agreement).

 

Clickwrap EULA's are those we are most familiar with in the mmo world, and according to the courts you are agreeing to a contract when you click "I accept the terms."

Originally posted by psiic
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by g0m0rrah
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by g0m0rrah
 

" Sony has been getting widely slammed across the gaming and tech press for its bizarre and self-destructive lawsuit against George Hotz (Geohot), for jailbreaking the PS3 in order to re-enable a feature that Sony had long-advertised, but then deleted off of people's existing PS3s. The entire lawsuit made little sense, and Sony's quixotic attempt to continue to pursue it just got more and more bizarre, with the company even seeking and gaining access to the IP addresses of people visiting his website or watching the YouTube video he put up. "

 Sony settled with the guy in this lawsuit and obviously they took thing way to far. 

" A German consumer rights organization is suing the company, claiming that the inability to resell downloadable games from their Steam service infringes on the rights of consumers."

Valve lost this lawsuit.  So you are wrong.  EULA and ToS are only legally binding if backed by law.  These are not small companies losing lawsuits...

 

 Good finds ;)  , I also believe EA just lost a lawsuit for the resale issue as well. TOS and EULA do not hold ground in court.

 Well they can hold up in court. It all depends if the contract is backed by the law.  Sometimes they hold up, often they do not.  EULA and ToS are there to ensure accountability. I created this rule, the consumer signed a document showing that he read this rule, this ensures accountability.  Problems arise when these rules violate law.  Like being able to resale a product you purchase. In some countries its mandatory that resale be allowed.

 Well, of course. Things like death threats and hacking are definitely against the law. These no matter what should have 0 tolerance. However, most everything else on an EULA or TOS is just garbage that doesn't hold ground. For example: you can't refuse your customer the ability to resell their product if they do so choose.

No, but they can keep the person who purchased second hand from accessing certain parts of the game, if not ban them entirely from the servers.  Purchase an account for wow through a secondhand site (one of those that sell level cap toons) announce it on the forums (it may take more than once) and see if the account doesn't get banned for breaking the rules.  The same reason some companies are charging 10$ for online access codes (I believe most EA titles do this).  The code comes with the original purchase but is only redeamable once and is tied to your account.  Buy it used and that code has been used, you can't use it again, you have to pay a fee to get a new code.  

There isn't some teenager sitting around writing up EULA's.   The lawyers writing these know what the laws of their respective countries are and know that you can't sign away your consumer rights (what limited consumer rights we have in the U.S.).  They write the EULA's with this in mind.  They don't just pull it out of a hat, contrary to popular belief on the forums.

 God, I hope some of the people who are "writing" these aren't lawyers because I've seen and read several EULA/TOS that were copy pasted right from another companies EULA/TOS.

I guess you could get some small time outfit that can't afford a lawyer to write their own EULA or TOS and throw something together and don't know the laws of their country/state well enough to do a good job of it.  As far as copying goes, an indy company could copy and paste SOE's EULA/TOS and it shouldn't really matter if they are running an mmo.  Now if they are say selling an anti-virus product and are copy and pasting an mmo EULA, then yeah, there's a problem.  But Wildstar's TOS/EULA should need to look all that different than Everquest's EULA, except for you know changing the names involved.  

Now you have me picturing reading a EULA for say Final Fantasy XIV and reading Everquest and Sony Online Entertainment everywhere it should read Final Fantasy XIV and Square Enix.  I'm never gonna get this out of my head.

LOL they do not care about EULA / TOS because federal courts have ruled 3 times now that EULA / TOS have no legal grounds and no binding arbitration. 

Basically they are worthless words put there as a suggestion only, the main purpose of them is to scare and or confuse the average uneducated gamer.

Doing a search indicates the opposite.  This is the one that most specifically relates to videogames and software:

In Vernor v. Autodesk, Inc. the 9th Circuit created a three-factor test to decide whether a particular software licensing agreement is successful in creating a licensing relationship with the end user. The factors include: 1) whether copyright owner specifies that a user is granted a license; 2) whether the copyright owner significantly restricts the user's ability to transfer the software to others; and 3) whether the copyright owner imposes notable use restrictions on the software. In VernorAutodesk's license agreement specified that it retains title to the software and the user is only granted a non-exclusive license. The agreement also had restrictions against modifying, translating, or reverse-engineering the software, or removing any proprietary marks from the software packaging or documentation. The agreement also specified that software could not be transferred or leased without Autodesk's written consent, and could not be transferred outside the Western Hemisphere. Based on these facts, the 9th Circuit held that the user is only a licensee of Autodesk's software, not an owner and hence the user could not resell the software on eBay without Autodesk's permission.

Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by g0m0rrah
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by g0m0rrah
 

" Sony has been getting widely slammed across the gaming and tech press for its bizarre and self-destructive lawsuit against George Hotz (Geohot), for jailbreaking the PS3 in order to re-enable a feature that Sony had long-advertised, but then deleted off of people's existing PS3s. The entire lawsuit made little sense, and Sony's quixotic attempt to continue to pursue it just got more and more bizarre, with the company even seeking and gaining access to the IP addresses of people visiting his website or watching the YouTube video he put up. "

 Sony settled with the guy in this lawsuit and obviously they took thing way to far. 

" A German consumer rights organization is suing the company, claiming that the inability to resell downloadable games from their Steam service infringes on the rights of consumers."

Valve lost this lawsuit.  So you are wrong.  EULA and ToS are only legally binding if backed by law.  These are not small companies losing lawsuits...

 

 Good finds ;)  , I also believe EA just lost a lawsuit for the resale issue as well. TOS and EULA do not hold ground in court.

 Well they can hold up in court. It all depends if the contract is backed by the law.  Sometimes they hold up, often they do not.  EULA and ToS are there to ensure accountability. I created this rule, the consumer signed a document showing that he read this rule, this ensures accountability.  Problems arise when these rules violate law.  Like being able to resale a product you purchase. In some countries its mandatory that resale be allowed.

 Well, of course. Things like death threats and hacking are definitely against the law. These no matter what should have 0 tolerance. However, most everything else on an EULA or TOS is just garbage that doesn't hold ground. For example: you can't refuse your customer the ability to resell their product if they do so choose.

No, but they can keep the person who purchased second hand from accessing certain parts of the game, if not ban them entirely from the servers.  Purchase an account for wow through a secondhand site (one of those that sell level cap toons) announce it on the forums (it may take more than once) and see if the account doesn't get banned for breaking the rules.  The same reason some companies are charging 10$ for online access codes (I believe most EA titles do this).  The code comes with the original purchase but is only redeamable once and is tied to your account.  Buy it used and that code has been used, you can't use it again, you have to pay a fee to get a new code.  

There isn't some teenager sitting around writing up EULA's.   The lawyers writing these know what the laws of their respective countries are and know that you can't sign away your consumer rights (what limited consumer rights we have in the U.S.).  They write the EULA's with this in mind.  They don't just pull it out of a hat, contrary to popular belief on the forums.

 God, I hope some of the people who are "writing" these aren't lawyers because I've seen and read several EULA/TOS that were copy pasted right from another companies EULA/TOS.

I guess you could get some small time outfit that can't afford a lawyer to write their own EULA or TOS and throw something together and don't know the laws of their country/state well enough to do a good job of it.  As far as copying goes, an indy company could copy and paste SOE's EULA/TOS and it shouldn't really matter if they are running an mmo.  Now if they are say selling an anti-virus product and are copy and pasting an mmo EULA, then yeah, there's a problem.  But Wildstar's TOS/EULA should need to look all that different than Everquest's EULA, except for you know changing the names involved.  

Now you have me picturing reading a EULA for say Final Fantasy XIV and reading Everquest and Sony Online Entertainment everywhere it should read Final Fantasy XIV and Square Enix.  I'm never gonna get this out of my head.

Edit:  I found this court case in the U.S. that pertains to licensing vs. ownership which is applicable to this discussion because most mmo TOS/EULA state that you are licensing rather than purchasing their product:

In Vernor v. Autodesk, Inc. the 9th Circuit created a three-factor test to decide whether a particular software licensing agreement is successful in creating a licensing relationship with the end user. The factors include: 1) whether copyright owner specifies that a user is granted a license; 2) whether the copyright owner significantly restricts the user's ability to transfer the software to others; and 3) whether the copyright owner imposes notable use restrictions on the software. In VernorAutodesk's license agreement specified that it retains title to the software and the user is only granted a non-exclusive license. The agreement also had restrictions against modifying, translating, or reverse-engineering the software, or removing any proprietary marks from the software packaging or documentation. The agreement also specified that software could not be transferred or leased without Autodesk's written consent, and could not be transferred outside the Western Hemisphere. Based on these facts, the 9th Circuit held that the user is only a licensee of Autodesk's software, not an owner and hence the user could not resell the software on eBay without Autodesk's permission.

I have only read 2 mmo's licensing agreements WoW and EvE and both state that you are only licensing the product which would fall into this legal precedent of not being able to resell the account even though you have "purchased" it.  EU countries have more consumer protections in place and have ruled that you can resell even digital copies of movies and music, but the U.S., not so much.

Originally posted by JRRNeiklot
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by JRRNeiklot
 

And so, when I leave Sony's website or game and retreat to my Facebook page, I should be able to say what I want.  They should not be banning people.  Say I don't like cursing.  Is it ok for me to come to your house and demand you never say "damn?"  

I can demand you never say 'damn' and if you do, you are not coming into my house.

And that's absolutely fine, although you just said it, so you'll have to throw yourself out.  :-)  But Sony is suggesting I can't say it in my OWN house.

No, they are not saying that.  They are saying that you can do/say whatever you want in your house or anywhere else.  Just don't expect to come over and play after you do.

Originally posted by JRRNeiklot
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by JRRNeiklot
Originally posted by Sovrath

I should not be able to walk up to anyone and start blathering in their face about how ugly they are or stand in the lobby of some media company and decry the fact that their products show nudity or discuss creationism.

 


 

Yes actually, you should be able to.  You probably shouldn't do it, but it should not be - and is not - illegal.

Well, the person has no obligation listening to you. If he retreat to his house, or his room, you should not be allowed to bother him. That is why we have anti-stalking laws, and restraining order.

 

And so, when I leave Sony's website or game and retreat to my Facebook page, I should be able to say what I want.  They should not be banning people.  Say I don't like cursing.  Is it ok for me to come to your house and demand you never say "damn?"  

The thing is, you can walk up to someone and call them ugly or  say mean things to them, however, there could be consequences to that.  If your boss walks by as you are doing it, you may get fired.   You also may do it and nobody be around and get away with it.  That is the chance you take when acting in a socially negative way.   

Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by g0m0rrah
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by g0m0rrah
 

" Sony has been getting widely slammed across the gaming and tech press for its bizarre and self-destructive lawsuit against George Hotz (Geohot), for jailbreaking the PS3 in order to re-enable a feature that Sony had long-advertised, but then deleted off of people's existing PS3s. The entire lawsuit made little sense, and Sony's quixotic attempt to continue to pursue it just got more and more bizarre, with the company even seeking and gaining access to the IP addresses of people visiting his website or watching the YouTube video he put up. "

 Sony settled with the guy in this lawsuit and obviously they took thing way to far. 

" A German consumer rights organization is suing the company, claiming that the inability to resell downloadable games from their Steam service infringes on the rights of consumers."

Valve lost this lawsuit.  So you are wrong.  EULA and ToS are only legally binding if backed by law.  These are not small companies losing lawsuits...

 

 Good finds ;)  , I also believe EA just lost a lawsuit for the resale issue as well. TOS and EULA do not hold ground in court.

 Well they can hold up in court. It all depends if the contract is backed by the law.  Sometimes they hold up, often they do not.  EULA and ToS are there to ensure accountability. I created this rule, the consumer signed a document showing that he read this rule, this ensures accountability.  Problems arise when these rules violate law.  Like being able to resale a product you purchase. In some countries its mandatory that resale be allowed.

 Well, of course. Things like death threats and hacking are definitely against the law. These no matter what should have 0 tolerance. However, most everything else on an EULA or TOS is just garbage that doesn't hold ground. For example: you can't refuse your customer the ability to resell their product if they do so choose.

No, but they can keep the person who purchased second hand from accessing certain parts of the game, if not ban them entirely from the servers.  Purchase an account for wow through a secondhand site (one of those that sell level cap toons) announce it on the forums (it may take more than once) and see if the account doesn't get banned for breaking the rules.  The same reason some companies are charging 10$ for online access codes (I believe most EA titles do this).  The code comes with the original purchase but is only redeamable once and is tied to your account.  Buy it used and that code has been used, you can't use it again, you have to pay a fee to get a new code.  

There isn't some teenager sitting around writing up EULA's.   The lawyers writing these know what the laws of their respective countries are and know that you can't sign away your consumer rights (what limited consumer rights we have in the U.S.).  They write the EULA's with this in mind.  They don't just pull it out of a hat, contrary to popular belief on the forums.

Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Nevulus
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

A "Verbal Contract" is a joke that holds no ground in an actual legal agreement. If you want any legal proof especially in court you need hard facts. 

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 I have not verbally agreed to nor have I signed any contracts to play these games. Clicking a button binds nothing on my behalf. Once again, these arguments stating that the TOS and EULA are hold stronger ground than actual law is a joke. You must have a third party to witness your actions on a "verbal contract". 

 It's quite apparent that you didn't even read your own article. Because the article itself tells you to back up a "verbal contract" with hard physical evidence of the agreement.

The answer is yes—as long as you can prove it in court. It's interesting to note that many powerful people have engaged in handshake deals, from Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich to Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. But more than likely, these handshake deals were followed by large contracts that outlined key deal points and terms. If you are the type of person who prefers informal agreements sealed by a handshake, at the very least, have a few people on hand to witness you "shake on it." A handshake deal is always more binding when there are witnesses to the agreement. In other words, avoid agreeing to anything in a dark alley when no one else is looking.

If you did go ahead and shake on an oral contract with no one to witness it, you should probably get right to work on your half of the bargain. Because putting your words into immediate action is another way to validate your oral agreement. If you begin acting on your agreement with the other party acting in compliance, you create additional evidence that a deal was struck. Of course, the only problem with this strategy is that it requires the other party to immediately begin work on their half of the agreement.

Failing witness testimony or any actions that verify your handshake deal, you can always present supporting materials to strengthen your claim. For example, any correspondence between two parties is admissible in court, particularly if it is sent certified mail. Faxes, emails, letters, memos and receipts all help establish your handshake deal. If you are particularly uncomfortable drawing up a contract—say with a friend—a simple "thank you" letter immediately following a handshake is always a good way to establish the terms of your agreement. The recipient will not think of it as possible "evidence," but simply as a polite gesture.

Of course, none of this is necessary if both parties are happy and everyone lives up to their word. In a very simple deal, chances are slim that anyone is going to wind up having to prove anything in court. But if there is a dispute that lands you in court, the burden is on you to produce evidence of the transaction.

More often than not, handshake deals fall apart over the details of the agreement. Oral contracts are often useful for simple exchanges such as "I will trade you my old air conditioner for your old refrigerator." But for deals with a multitude of finer points such as employment or lease agreements, it's always best to get your deal in writing. For those of you who still feel uncomfortable asking your buddy to sign a piece of paper, remember—it's not so much an issue of trust as it is of clarity. Perhaps Nixon said it best when he quipped, "trust everyone, but cut the cards."

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You don't have to sign your name to your tax form in the U.S. anymore, does that mean that I can just submit anything to them?  No.  How is clicking a box that says "I agree to the terms and conditions" somehow less binding than signing your name?  I will agree with you on your overall argument that no contract (or since you refuse to believe they are contracts, any EULA) is valid if it takes away a right perscribed by law.  But just because you don't sign your name to something doesn't make it not valid in this digital age.   Good luck trying to tell someone that you didn't really agree because you never signed it, but "all I did was click a box that said I agree, that's not really agreeing."  That will not get you very far.  Fortunately in the realm of this thread it is a moot point because when I go to any store or retail service I don't usually have to sign anything, and they still have the ability to kick me out with no refund if I make an ass of myself.

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
Originally posted by caremuchless
Originally posted by Nevulus

Bravo SOE.

 

And if you think a lawyer will control who they ban and don't ban from their own online service, apparently you've never read a EULA. Good luck with that.

 

 EULA's are not as binding as you think they are. Oh they can claim all kinds of shit, doesn't really matter. If the laws don't support it and if a good lawyer can argue against it...well then out goes the EULA.

As I said before, at least in the USA (and I'd imagine in plenty of other countries) a business has the write to not server any individual as long as it isn't on a discrimination basis (sex, race, other protected reasons).

 

Currently an MMO can ban you simply because they feel you're a bad influence for the game and with no other reason whatsoever and there is nothing you can do about it legally just as a casino or a restaurant can ask you to leave at any time.

 

 

People really think they have a lot more legal protection to do whatever the hell they want when they really don't.

Much of this seems to have to do with the fact that "freedom of speech" doesn't mean what most people seem to think it means.

Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Tygranir
Originally posted by Jyiiga
Originally posted by Tygranir

The Terms of Service (ToS) you agree to when starting your account with any online game is a leagally binding contract. Once you violate the Terms of Service, you no long have any claim to said service.

Do remember that TOS's do not trump state laws.

Indeed they do not, but no state laws would be violated.

Man, I remember back in school there was this great freedom that I learned about Americans having.... What was it again? Oh right, freedom of speech ;)

That isn't what freedom of speech means.  It doesn't mean you get to say anything, anywhere, with no consequences.  It means you can say almost anything, almost anywhere, and not have consequences from the government.  Freedom of speech doesn't apply to issues concerning denial of service.  I can call the cashier at McDonald's an a**hole and I won't get arrested, but I will most likely be kicked out and probably also told never to come back.  Why does McDonald's hate freedom?

Originally posted by Minjie
How the hell is DAOC still alive, its alot older than warhammer, i returned to it a couple months ago and most zones were completely deserted, besides the cities and rvr zones of course... maybe daocs time is coming soon?

They don't have to pay a licensing fee for DAOC.   Heck games workshop could have just refused to renew the license.

This looks like they laid off people who were putting together livestreams.  Could this be from them shutting down the pvp, because as they were trying to make an esport type thing out of it, maybe they had planned on streaming matches and tournaments?  I'm of course guessing, but it seems to fit together with their cutting of the esport pvp, it seems too close together to be a coincidence.  Of course, I could very well be wrong.
Originally posted by Sarariel

Case : Vantage Blue Midi Tower Case + 4 120mm Fans
Power Supply : 750 Watt With Power Cable Supplied
Motherboard : Asus M5A78L-M USB3
CPU : AMD FX 8350 Eight Core CPU (turbo 4.2Ghz)
Hard Drive : 1tb Sata Hard Drive
Memory : 16gb DDR3 1600mhz Corsair Vengeance Memory
Graphics Card : Nvidia GTX 660  2gb (Tripple screen support via DVI / HDMI / DISPLAY PORT)
Optical Drive : 24x Dual Layer DVD Writer
Warranty : 12 Months Return To Base (Parts & Labour) 
Connections : 6 x USB 2.0 / 2 x USB 3.0 / LAN / Sound

 

 

Worth getting for 605? or is it too good to be true?

Maybe I'm a bit off on my Pounds to Dollars conversions, but that's roughly 950$ U.S. which seems very expensive for those parts.  Especially since there's no brand/model given for the power supply.   I think part of it is that graphics card.  The processor is around 200$ and that MB is only around 50$ but that graphics card is anywhere from 200-250, and just kind of sticks out compared to the other more modestly priced parts listed.  I'm sure there is a "more bang for your buck" card out there.

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