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I've been playing way too much Portal 2, my first thought was "That's not too bad, where's the other portal?" 

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by DailyBuzz

Originally posted by xpowderx

 Most of us get a good laugh whenever we see a "Birther" talking about Obama and his birth certificate. Which many of us have. We as a whole have perhaps overlooked what those crazy birthers are accomplishing.

Last week Oklahoma passed a Birther Law. This law would require any candidate to provide a long form birth certificate to just be added to a ballot. If it is not provided that candidates name would not appear in the ballot box at the time to vote. This means at current, Obama wouldnt even appear on the ballot box for the 2012 election. If you wanted to vote for Obama, he would have to be a write in.

While Arizona started this new Birther Law, its also being adopted by other states.

Here is the Oklahoma Birther Law story:http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/04/oklahoma-birther-bill-one-step-closer-becoming-law

Here is the Arizona Birther filings: http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/02/01/33787.htm

In my state,  legislation is being made to follow Arizona. As are other states.

If all this goes well, the birthers will have defeated Obama before a election even takes place.

I would imagine Obama will be taking these laws to the supreme court. As he himself has no other choice. Which if he does. Trump will be shown as correct. Obama may actually have been born in Kenya as Trump proclaims.

I guess its no longer us who are laughing. But those who are birthers who are getting the last laugh!

Obama may have to send Van Jones and Bill Ayers over to "take care" of this problem (funded by George Soros, of course).

 

I got a question for you. Do you honestly believe that a man, whom can hoodwink his way into the U.S. fucking presidency, cannot acquire a reasoable facsimile of a long form birth certificate?

 ok so if he was born "barack obama" and we call him "barack obama" now....

WHY is the name barry sotero anywhere in the man's history?   

a mystery remains.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate/

here's the LONG FORM!!!!   

And what's with "File Number 151"? Are we to believe he's the 151th person born in Hawaii? In 6,000 years of Earth history, only 151 Hawaiians? Really? 

WE GOT HIM!!

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by melmoth1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13212230

Now for the love of God please STFU.

 

Regards

 

Melmoth

Considering Obama released his birth certificate two years and all insane minds didn't accept it then, why expect birthers to accept it now?

Yes, its the long form birth certificate, but that means 100% nothing; the certificate of live birth was just as valid considering they're filed the exact same time as long form birth certificates and get us the exact same mileage in proving identity, including in the minds of birthers 'cause god knows they'll still continue on despite this redundant event. 

certificate/certifcation of live birth is not as valid. This is not defense to the birthers, but just a statement of fact. To obtain federal documents (e.g. passport) or even to enroll in the federal temporary health pool, a copy of an original birth certificate is required. Certificate/certification of live birth documents only show that a baby existed, not it's birth place. Any mother off the street can go into a hospital and claim they had a baby in the back alley and a hospital would issue one of these documents.

With that said, I don't think the strategy was ever to prove he wasn't born here (by Trump), but to keep him distracted from other things. Glad it's over (or should be).

Exactly what are you talking about? Because what I mentioned was Obama's certificate of live birth from 2008, which was issued by Hawaii's Department of Health, complete with embossed seal, complete with: "This copy serves as prima facto evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."

It ain't whatever piece of paper you've found yourself unable to get a passport with. Or whatever you're talking about.

I'm not disputing his birth, I am simply saying certificate/certification of live birth are not accepted on a federal level. Hawaii may accept it, but it may not be accepted elsewhere. That's all I'm stating, nothing else.

What you're saying only applies to the "certificate" you describe, which apparently isnt' a birth certificate. You aren't describing what Obama released in 2008, you aren't describing anyone else's state stamped certificate of live birth. Legally, they're 100% the same thing as long form birth certificates because they ARE birth certificates minus miscellaneous crap like birth weight. They're just as valid for passports, driver IDs, whatever. That's the whole POINT to issuing them is to prove you are who you are to the State Department and similar. 

Whatever "facts" you're asserting may as well be about a certificate you could pull out of your inkjet, its just as relevant.

My initial application for a passport was turned down because I did not provide a copy of my original birth certificate. I had the same thing Obama showed. It was stamped with the state seal and "signed" (stamped signature). The same thing happened when I went through MEPS when I was joining the Marines. My recruiter was pissed because they deferred my processing because my certificate of live birth was considered invalid.

Your certificate of live birth WOULD be your "original birth certificate". They're the exact same thing, long-form vs. short-form. It's the only kind of birth certificate Hawaii and many other states issue. This will only increasingly be the case as records are kept electronically. There's no difference between certificate of live birth vs. original birth certificate; they're one in the same.

Obviously whatever you had wasn't your "original birth certificate" as you put it, so that'd have been your problem, but what Obama released in 2008 WAS his original birth certificate, drafted at birth short-form and long-form, and the same kind of certificate Hawaiians and citizens of other states that don't issue long-form birth certificates use to get off this rock every now and then. 

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by melmoth1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13212230

Now for the love of God please STFU.

 

Regards

 

Melmoth

Considering Obama released his birth certificate two years and all insane minds didn't accept it then, why expect birthers to accept it now?

Yes, its the long form birth certificate, but that means 100% nothing; the certificate of live birth was just as valid considering they're filed the exact same time as long form birth certificates and get us the exact same mileage in proving identity, including in the minds of birthers 'cause god knows they'll still continue on despite this redundant event. 

certificate/certifcation of live birth is not as valid. This is not defense to the birthers, but just a statement of fact. To obtain federal documents (e.g. passport) or even to enroll in the federal temporary health pool, a copy of an original birth certificate is required. Certificate/certification of live birth documents only show that a baby existed, not it's birth place. Any mother off the street can go into a hospital and claim they had a baby in the back alley and a hospital would issue one of these documents.

With that said, I don't think the strategy was ever to prove he wasn't born here (by Trump), but to keep him distracted from other things. Glad it's over (or should be).

Exactly what are you talking about? Because what I mentioned was Obama's certificate of live birth from 2008, which was issued by Hawaii's Department of Health, complete with embossed seal, complete with: "This copy serves as prima facto evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."

It ain't whatever piece of paper you've found yourself unable to get a passport with. Or whatever you're talking about.

I'm not disputing his birth, I am simply saying certificate/certification of live birth are not accepted on a federal level. Hawaii may accept it, but it may not be accepted elsewhere. That's all I'm stating, nothing else.

What you're saying only applies to the "certificate" you describe, which apparently isnt' a birth certificate. You aren't describing what Obama released in 2008, you aren't describing anyone else's state stamped certificate of live birth. Legally, they're 100% the same thing as long form birth certificates because they ARE birth certificates minus miscellaneous crap like birth weight. They're just as valid for passports, driver IDs, whatever. That's the whole POINT to issuing them is to prove you are who you are to the State Department and similar. 

Whatever "facts" you're asserting may as well be about a certificate you could pull out of your inkjet, its just as relevant.

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Birthers Shut up

That is all.

Waits for birthers to try to cook something up to refute that in 3... 2... 1...

Saddly... So am I...

There's still the whole muslim issue which has been joined at the hip with the Kenya theory. So you know, for those that need something to believe other than reality, he's still secretly a muslim. 

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by melmoth1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13212230

Now for the love of God please STFU.

 

Regards

 

Melmoth

Considering Obama released his birth certificate two years and all insane minds didn't accept it then, why expect birthers to accept it now?

Yes, its the long form birth certificate, but that means 100% nothing; the certificate of live birth was just as valid considering they're filed the exact same time as long form birth certificates and get us the exact same mileage in proving identity, including in the minds of birthers 'cause god knows they'll still continue on despite this redundant event. 

certificate/certifcation of live birth is not as valid. This is not defense to the birthers, but just a statement of fact. To obtain federal documents (e.g. passport) or even to enroll in the federal temporary health pool, a copy of an original birth certificate is required. Certificate/certification of live birth documents only show that a baby existed, not it's birth place. Any mother off the street can go into a hospital and claim they had a baby in the back alley and a hospital would issue one of these documents.

With that said, I don't think the strategy was ever to prove he wasn't born here (by Trump), but to keep him distracted from other things. Glad it's over (or should be).

Exactly what are you talking about? Because what I mentioned was Obama's certificate of live birth from 2008, which was issued by Hawaii's Department of Health, complete with embossed seal, complete with: "This copy serves as prima facto evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."

It ain't whatever piece of paper you've found yourself unable to get a passport with. Or whatever you're talking about.

Originally posted by melmoth1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13212230

Now for the love of God please STFU.

 

Regards

 

Melmoth

Considering Obama released his birth certificate two years and all insane minds didn't accept it then, why expect birthers to accept it now?

Yes, its the long form birth certificate, but that means 100% nothing; the certificate of live birth was just as valid considering they're filed the exact same time as long form birth certificates and get us the exact same mileage in proving identity, including in the minds of birthers 'cause god knows they'll still continue on despite this redundant event. 

Gas prices = vote energy independence

Originally posted by Dekron

 Yes, he may have been a reason, but as diverse as this country is becoming, I see not an issue with verifying a candidate's citizenship before being allowed on a ticket. It is required of State and locality elections - why not federal?

Never heard of the Federal Election Commission? That's exactly what they do; verify eligibility according to the Constitution. 

Just because some crackpots believe their president was born in Kenya doesn't mean entire organizations and processes ceased existing came 2008. 

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by Wolfenpride

Arizona govenor vetoed it

 

Seems the articles authors cannot do research. Oklahoma already passed one.

No, it passed one chamber and is in committee of the second.

Though I'm sure OK state politicians are plenty ass backwards enough to waste time pandering to birthers. 

Kinda easy to be happy when your biggest concern towards other people is whether they're having sex with the opposite gender or not, and whether the brown people are properly distanced or not. 

If you care about more than that; the last decade has been pretty bleak, bigger than Limbaugh and the shit your inconsequential day revolves around.

As far as politics being genetic; the future is always on the side of progressivism; it doesn't much matter how the lines are drawn. Your children will always be less ass backwards than you regardless of your teachings. 

Obviously Vanguard still makes at least 1 dollar of profit a month somehow, so it won't be effected. I think its been a long time since Vanguard has had a single paid employee dedicated solely to it in any kind of capacity. If Vanguard loses anyone, their chief responsibility wasn't with Vanguard.

Gotta wonder though how much longer they're going to leave Telon plugged in the wall.

OnLive.com uses a subscription model. Line-up of games is fairly pathetic, but hey, that's increasingly become the case for PC anyway. 

Originally posted by Faxxer

democrats are wimps, they don't have the balls to start a war.

 

they'll lob missiles like cowards  (bill maher quote)

 

nope..no war here...obama has no balls, and the liberals that voted him in certainly don't have any.

 

they could come over here and blow up the statue of liberty and you won't get libs on board to fight.

Word yo, it takes balls to be scared so shitless you send teenagers and 20s-somethings overseas everytime the brown people scare you. 

Obama didn't even have the balls to stand up to a mosque in New York though, he isn't going to start another war. 

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by sepher
God please don't let an American A-list celebrity die any month soon. I recall what MJ's death did to Iran election protests coverage. 

Dont Worry, The Royal family will takecare of that with a Wedding in april... And likely the Months leading up to it with things like, What will the Queen wear... What kind of Cake will be served.. that one will likely be a 2 Hour show on all the Major networks...

I wouldn't be surprised. But hopefully the US media will keep paying attention. 

Barring that as Smoke pointed out, Al-Jazeera's site and live stream has been freakin' invaluable.

Worth noting now C# reaches not only Linux, Mac OS and Windows as previously said but its now lookin' pretty good for pretty much all mobile platforms as really. Windows Phone 7 uses XNA and its gotten a big boost in its prospective future lately with Nokia adopting it as primary platform. Then there's MonoTouch and MonoDroid for iOS and Android continuing to come along nicely. 

Java, Objective-C and other non-C and C++ languages don't quite have this kind parallel reach. Mono and industry moves are making C# very attractive. 

Amazing stuff, isn't it? 

I think the US press is giving fair amount of coverage. Not sure about on TV, but on the websites I visit Libya and Bahrain have been frontpage awhile now.

God please don't let an American A-list celebrity die any month soon. I recall what MJ's death did to Iran election protests coverage. 

Originally posted by abydosonline

My point: An indie game developer asks what if best of X and Y, I see no harm telling the OP that both X and Y are bad tools for writing server software compared to Z.

There's telling someone something is "bad in comparison" and giving valid reasons, and then there's telling someone something is "bad" for reasons that aren't true: i.e. you said no socket servers built with C# can scale and it'd take a decade to make it so. It ignores the reality that its fairly trivial using .NET to build async server software that scales thousands of connections out the box.

While I believe it'd be better to advise each other based on our actual requirements (dozens of users? hundreds? thousands if very very lucky?), I'm cool with debating realities we don't have to deal with. I'm just against lambasting reasonable options we have when they're actually a good fit and more than satisfactory to solve problems we actually have to deal with. So I think it's a bit unhelpful to tell people C# is a mistake vs. Erlang or any other language. 

The bottom line is C# would be fine for an indie MMO; server, client and tools. It'd be great because it performs well enough for actual indie requirements, and it'd be great for all sorts of other reasons such as ease of learning, how much others' R&D out there has already gone into providing servers, clients and tools that we can implement, etc.. Most other languages would be great and overkill as well for our actual likely requirements.

Let that be the bottom line. "Bad" in comparison is cool; even when ignoring our actual needs, but arguing plain "bad" for false reasons is unhelpful is all I'm saying. 

I'm not going to be dragged off topic. Much of this thread has been about the pros and cons of C# and C++ for game development.

My point: for an indie game developer C# will do just fine for server and client code especially given all the support, tools, engines and frameworks out there geared towards gaming. 

Arguing performance differences is fine, but you can do so without claiming C# would be a bad choice for the actual needs at hand. If you want to promote Erlang or whatever trending language that has your fancy at the moment, awesome, but you can do so without claims like C# is unable to scale and would take a "decade" to make so. Case in point you mentioned Eve, its server code is written in Stackless Python and there's been benchmarks showing Stackless code outperforming Erlang; is Erlang suddenly not scalable and a dud? Probably not. 

Dilly-dallying around the bleeding edge of performance based on one narrow non-issue like a loop for benchmarking should mean very little for indies. Pick languages and tools that'll help conquer the number 1 killer of indie games: development never actually finishing if even begun.

Apple products are nice. Things like the Macs are priced at a premium if you build a PC equivalent for the performance, but that premium pays for the fact you didn't just put together a random mix of hardware and supporting software that might conflict. 

I like Apple products. Only one I probably ever hated was one of the first versions of Apple TV. 

What I dislike though is a whole lot of Apple's policies. It makes for a very closed ecosystem where every way a partner or developer makes money, Apple's grabbing some percentage of it as well.