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Originally posted by brian72282
Perfect solution for a Wii MMO...

a .hack//sign series MMO.  Ok hold your horses for a second while I explain.  Fans of the series will remember that players actually donned a VR helm/glasses AND gloves.  The Wiimote could VERY easily be adapted to the simplistic control style used in the games or could even be innovated to use symbols and such like a DS game (draw symbols to cast spells).

While the idea would need refinement, there's no doubt in my mind that this could be easily pulled off for the Wii.

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There is actally a .hack MMO called .hack//fragment, sadly it was accounced reasently that it would never leave Japan, and it closed it's servers this month.. It's a shame .hack could have been one of the best MMOs, I gyess they prefer the simulated versons..

Added: Wikki link to game

I do agree with you, MMOs used to be community > All.. Now it's just convert exsisting MMOs/make a single player game (essencilly a console game) but for lots of players instead.. But sadly thats what sellis these days the 'L33T 14 year olds' control the MMO market now

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Originally posted by acmtalk
well,  legend of Zelda mmorpg?

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Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe
I would refuse to sign a petition that would port an exsisting MMO to the Wii.

Having said that, I would like to see an MMO designed specifically for the Wii. Although I'm kinda wondering how in-game communication would be handled. Would there be a microphone attachment for the controller? If so, how would you move around since you couldn't use the "nunchuk" thingie?

It's an interesting challenge from a design perspective. Mainly due to the fact that communication is difficult to pull off on a console with no microphone. And in MMO, the ability to chat is pretty much the main event.

Maybe a "virtual" keyboard where you would point and click letters. It'd be faster than using a gamepad in the same manner (speaking from experience with Animal Crossing on the DS), but I'm not sure if it would be intuitive. Voice over IP technology in an MMORPG is a long way away. VOIP just requires too much bandwidth and these games suck enough bits per second as it is.

Movement would be another thing. The simple solution is to take a Korean approach and make everything point and click. You could use the D-pad on the controller to rotate the camera around. Special attacks would be linked to specific movements while in combat mode, etc. 

It's a cool idea, but it's gonna have to happen after the Wii has matured a little bit.

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100% agree with you there..

No need to repeat what I already said in another tpopic so i'll just link it: http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/103342

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Originally posted by Nicod3mus

I agree with a lot of things you said here although I would point out that they are going to port huxley to 360 and yeah they are different but I would suspect most of the obstacles are very similiar.

Was a huge Nintendo fan until the gamecube but after playing the Wii for only a few seconds I'm back stronger than ever.

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Now theres been a LOT of 'wanting' an MMO to to be a Nindendo based product and/or an MMO to be ported to the Wii, now being a Nintendo geek I've LOVE that to happen HOWEVER theres a few flaws in that plan...

Lets start with the easy question 'Can a Nintendo game turn MMO?' answer: Very Few.. Why?.. Let me explain..

The 'well known' Nintendo games have always worked along these lines.. theres a Hero, a Vililan, and a Item/Girl, Villan kidnapps/takes item, Hero sets out to save girl/retrive item, Hero defeats Villian, all is well.. Prime example and often requested to be turned MMO is Mario and Zelda, both follow that basic plotline. Now although damn fine single player titles but to be turned MMO? They wouldn't work, simply because we no longer have that one hero, we have multiple, and there no longer is a quest to save whatever as the quest is on going, why this doesn't work, becuase the main essence of the game is the story, it's focused on the hero, everything that happens revoles around that one character, now to put multiple heroes in the mix in that world takes focus off that one character thus diluts the story, I know this seems hard to truy and get your head around the logic right now, but the story is the key..

Now on the flip side SOME Nintendo titles DO fit the MMO profile, prime target for this is Pokemon, again the game hero/villian/quest aspect to it HOWEVER as there have been multiple titles with multiple heroes, although ultimatly having the same goals, but the key to the reason why this one fits and others don't is that our hero isn't the only person on this 'quest'..

I know by now some people reading this are going 'WTF is he rambling on about?', but to briefly sum up, to port a single player game to an MMO, you have to look at one thing, if the world is only effected by a single character, to take that away from the 'hero' would destroy the 'reason' for the story..

Now to port a Non-Nintendo MMO to the Wii, thats a different can o' worms altogether, simple reasoning behind this is hardware..

One thing thats come to my notice is that MMOs are needing higher and higher specs of PC, now with the 360 and PS3 they have hardware thats top of the line, however the Wii doesn't.. Why is this important? Simple.. Compatiblity.. Now you think PC vs the Wii witch of the two would have better control and easier access to funtions? Of course the PC, sorry to say this console fans 'PC > Console'..

Now at this point a bet your saying 'Well just don't have them combined, have one server for PC and one for Wii..' Yup, I'd agree that is a better idea, however beleave you me that given the option players WOULD indeed pick the PC verson over it's console counterpart, becuase unless the game was build around the console first then ported to PC (like FFXI), the console verson would have lower grafical appeal, less funtionality, and a greater chance of error, so the player market would be far smaller for the Wii, and with the fickleness of console gamers, a shorter lifespan..

To conclude my possible illogical ramblings, IF you want a MMO for the Wii make sure that 1) One it is designed for the Wii first  and 2) If it's a Nintendo product look for one that is capable of expanding it's storyline.. As I said like you I'd LOVE for it to happen. but getting it to work is another matter

Sorry to jump in so late, but I do agree they do check on enteries  for beta contests, otherwise it's pointless for both them and the company that gave MMORPG.com those keys..

Anyway.. about the 'rating issue' I highly agree that account bombing by a fanboi to boost his game up makes the system totally unrealistic, a simple solution to this is split the ratings up, on the main page show MMORPG's score and once clicked on the games info page again show the same score AND the player's score.. then ppl can hype up the the game as much as they want (because thats all the scorce is now 'hype') but a 'true' score will be always shown, maybe a 3rd avg score given by the long term members reviews so basically they'll be MMORPG's Score, Player Reveiw Score, and then the Hype meter score.. thus giving a better picture of the game in question

Now relax my friend.. no need to go OTT with this..

In DDO's defence, the poor game IS trying to cope with being compeared to againest it's singleplayer cousins (ie Baldur's Gate/Never Winter Nights to name the main two), would YOU like to try an adapt a limitless game (witch true D&D is btw) to a digital format that HAS to have limits? It's hard when it's offline, but turning into a MMO it's pracitally insane!!

I gotta admit I did beta DDO and was very dissapointed in it and guess what? I'm back playing it again.. thats the wonderful thing about MMOs THEY GROW, this disscusson as been on this forum before and I stand by what I said smaller games do FAR better in the long run as there are less demands to be met.. Again take our favourate refference point WoW.. Now poor poor Blizzard, being the nice people they are, are flip flopping all the time as they meet the 'casual' players demand, then upset the 'raiding' players, so have to meet their demands and they have what.. a 7 million-ish player base to 'keep happy'.. Same can be said about content, you can offer bucket loads of content to begin with but who is to say all that content will be used, and not just bepassed for end-game (again like WoW)..

Now all that waffle I just said leads m back to DDO and LotR.. Now your going 'TURBINE HAS DESTROYED D&D/LOTR!!' I'm saying I bet you dollors to donuts Turbine havn't even started, they have been cleaver they've started small and building games as they go. They are adding what people want, not just dumping in content and turning around and saying 'like it or lump it'.. With that in mind whos to say in 12 months BOTH games wont turn out to be the best thing since sliced bread? Others games have done it, why can't these?

Fatal mistake here is that people always conpare, always set the bar too high, and always expect too much.. Remember this tho: 'Next big things' have fallen, it's been proven right in front of people's eyes this year, yet the 'minor, crappy, low player base' games are still plodding on, and still enjoyed

TBH First impressons of the game don't look too good, having empty areas do take the 'MM' out of MMO.. It looks a soild system tho, both click and arrow movements, thats good, a tutorial that speaks to you, very rare to find but always helpful..

I'll play it out the full trial myself, it's a shame I can't give it my full attention tho, hopfully I'll get to the 'good stuff' before it expires :)

I think it's stress test season for it, I myself am currently looking at it updating... Anyway it's interesting how there seems to be two versons of it (US having to go through another program, EU have direct access to it).

Love to see how this pans out, it's definitly NOT your run of the mill MMO (if you can even class it as one).

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Originally posted by vikingblood

Well this review is a joke, and here's why:

I was on an overpopulated server, with bad lag and wait times, and took the opportunity to transfer to a new server with the promise of no lag or wait times. What I got was a low population server that is 2 hours off my time zone, so I am no longer playing with people in my time zone, the lag is worse as the low population servers do not get the equipment upgrades. When I called blizzard to switch me back, they want 25 dollars per player and I have 8 60's. 200 dollars to go back to what I had is ridiculous! There was no warning that the new server was in a different time zone.

You cannot review a game from one of wow's best servers which you fail to mention the name of, which is probably upkept by blizzard for review purposes, did you pick it or did blizzard assugn you for the review?

On a low population server it is near impossible to find a good raid group or guild, the guilds I have recruited to turned out to be drunk drug addicts that swear and tell sexual jokes. They are mostly looking for females and not recruiting others to share loot with.

The language and behavior on my server is on the level of a 7th grade school bathroom and the blizzard crew does nothing to remove these disgusting people, they only suspend accounts 3 days and the same people are back again spamming and ruining the experience for others.

This is why I have levelled 8 60's, and now that I have them with no groups or guilds to play with and the fact that I am not a big fan of pvp, I will be quitting the game, even if I found a guild that wasn't filled with disgusting language and talk of drugs and sex, the sitting there taking orders deal is very similar to work and not playing a game, blizzard, realize that people need a way to solo the higher instances or you need a system where 40 random people are assigned an instance and go in, without having to join a disgusting guild and answereing personal questions and using personal voices and software, like CT raid assist and Teamspeak, that are always required, these programs can be used to gather personal information and are not safe like the wow server system to hide origins and personal information.

I give the wow end game a 2 out of 10 at best......

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