As a female player, I'd totally rock the Tera armor.  I actually look to see what type of armor games offer before I play them. If the women are covered up and look like men, I don't play the game. The armor is part of my fun..questing, raiding for it or what have you. I think thats a huge part of why I got bored with Lord of the Rings.

Oh you are so wrong. Bioware hasn't let its fans down yet so this is a big deal. If anyone can make a good game its them. If anyone can challange Blizzard soley on rep its bioware. It being star wars is only half of it, as SOE found out.

Can't say I would be disappointed to see PVPer's instanced off into a corner. Sorry, they ruin my game play, my questing and just my general fun. I know some will say its only a few but thats all that it takes and its really more then only a few. People seem to turn into complete morons with little regard to anyone elses game play so I for one applaud if this is how Bioware wants to handle it.

As to the ships, I loved the idea, I'd like to hear more about them.

I was one of the original 50 Alpha testers. I have to say I am thrilled GnH will live again. I loved this game. It did need more systems in places and other play issues needed to be ironed out, but for the most part, what was there was tons of fun.

Originally posted by Frostbite05

Originally posted by Darth_Osor

Originally posted by Dugath

I would cancel mine but I can not now that I used the Beta key. I will play the 30 days free (I hear there are changed with the released version) and I will see how that goes.

 

I take it you went download version?  You haven't gotten your retail product yet...you should be able to cancel if you want to.  Your card shouldn't even be billed until it ships.  Call your CC company for a chargeback if whoever you ordered from refuses a refund.

I'm a huge Trek geek.  I haven't cancelled yet, but am heavily leaning that way, and I know there are many people in the same boat.

No he really can't get his money back it is part of the beta agreement. Says something along the lines of once you use the beta key you are obligated to pay for the game.

I just canceled my card instead.
 

With people quiting in droves and they will if they aren't already, its going to have less of a populations suited to grouping. Grouping is fine if there are people to group with. If you like mindless serging it could be quite fun though.

Another thing, saying not to judge the game because its not all opened yet? Are you guys really serious? If you can't hook us now we should pay out 50 bucks in case the fun you are hiding is released when the game goes live? I think that is a poor business decision. If you have a hook, use it and use it early. 

If the Dev's had added in 50% of a decent sandbox, it might have helped to hide how poor the rest of the core game is so far.

I will say that SWG, AC, UO, great or not were miles a head of this crap. 

Have they charged you for the full price of the game yet? If they haven't, cancel your card before they charge you. Its a little bit of a hassle to wait a week for a new card but better then losing money on this game.

I would beg to differ also about the game not being broken. Plenty of it is broken.

Originally posted by harvest151

I'm beginning to wonder if Cryptic will still exist come corporate tax season. Atari is notoriously tight with cash, and if this game doesnt turn a good profit out the door, I have a feeling their days are numbered, and in turn, so is the game.

I agree, that makes buying a lifetime pretty risky. Besides,  I don't care if people are enjoying it, its not finished. I wish people would stop supporting games that aren't complete, or base buying it on what it could be later.  Companies will stop pushing this stuff out on us and actually finish a product if we stop paying for betas.
 

TOriginally posted by Zekiah

Originally posted by GundamAce

5.  Sandbox...  This brings me to my last point.  The elements I tend to like in almost any MMO are usually what most people call the "fluff".  This is an unfair term for me, I think, because I tend to spend more time with the fluff than I do anything else.  If I had a "Captain's Quarters" on my ship to decorate with furniture, trophies, and other stuff, I could easily spend days just doing that.  Hell, I'd fly to the ends of the universe looking for the perfect fish to stick in my circular aquarium.  I'd probaby try to beam over to everyone elses ship just to see how they tricked theirs out.

 

Everything you said was spot on but the above is exactly what is missing in the MMOs of today. Man, if they had something like you mentioned in game, I'd put up with a lot of garbage.

There needs to be some kind of massive open source MMO where everyone can throw in ideas like this. It's becoming painfully obvious that the game designers of today are either unable or unwilling to provide us with much depth. In fact, some of the MMOs recently have been disgraceful.

That was a good post. I don't see what the big problem is. Putting in at least a partial sandbox leaves us to play and make our own game. That helps the dev's out with content. SWG did the sandbox part right, if they had mixed it in with other great elements, like real quests and raids for those that want that kind of thing, it would have been even better for a much broader group.
 

I think SWG handled the player fighting at the controls while another player fought in the turrets in another part of the ship. Was it easy to code? Probably not, but they did it.

We aren't hear to make excuses as to why the game is half assed. It is for the Dev's to sit down and figure out how to make the universe work. If they can't give it justice then maybe they shouldn't do it? A good start would be large open worlds, part sandbox and part mission based, part escorting diplomats, part give me a music instrument and ten forward, part allowing my rear end to fold and actually sit in ''the chair'', part distress calls, part saving the planet natives before their planet explodes etc etc etc. I didn't get around to the things I can craft as that can be a game also.  Hell they have 40 years of TV, movies, games and I'll even toss in the tacky cartoon for inspiration and materials. Sounds like they have a lot more to work with then games that start off from scratch.

It might not be easy to code,but  is it possible? There  are games far more complex then this so yes I would say it is given enough time, dedication and planning. Yes they are expensive to make.. but if they couldn't afford to do the game properly, why do it at all?

And how many people are going to keep supporting a game that's not ready? This is why these games get released early. Everyone is all geeked then 3 to 5 weeks later they leave in droves because it was not ready. Yea? Well it wasn't ready when you bought it but you bought it anyway.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Demz2

Well after playing this game at the Eurogamer expo in london for a good 2-30 mins, All i can say is that they need to add eevrything they can, because the playable game at the expo was bloody awful.  I personally think eevryone at Crytpic has lost their marbles, their last chance now is to get Star trek right.  With the failure of CO, star trek is their last salvation, this is a huge IP and shouldnt be confined to mediocrity which Crytpic seems very good at.  This game should be bloody massive on sacle, did you read that Crytpic, MASSIVE.  From speaking with the crytpic guys at the eurogamer expo, i personally think they are all livijng on cloud coocky land.  They were tlaking about loading screes,   zone capacities, and instances of zones with channels etc.

 

Oh, i dont' know. Sure I suppose the game is theirs to make a failure but that's like saying Turbine had to make LOTRO epic or they would fail.

Well, some people think they did fail. But in the end it's a pretty successful game even if it didn't live up to some people's expectations.

Also, there really is only so much a developer can do. Just like in the LOTRO, giving the entire world and then populating it would just be a herculean task. I imagine that STO will be the same, it will expand over time. I think as long as what they give is good and enjoyable and immerses players in the Star Trek Universe then they should be ok.

Remember, trekkies will probably be horrifed.

I think they shouldn't half ass the features they ''are'' coming out with. And that is the problem with this game.  Trek is more like Even in space where in stead of you being on the Enterprise, you ARE the Enterprise. 

Also promising to go back and add ship interiors to space later suggests either it will be a complete over hall of space which I doubt, or some lame instance tossed in to shut everyone that wants the feature up.

It's really sad, the few I've heard that actually played it haven't liked the core game. Hopefully they won't screw this IP up. I really want to play Trek. 

Originally posted by Kylrathin

The main thing TOR has going for it right now over STO is it's not scheduled to be released for consoles.  As big of a Trek fan as I am, as soon as I heard that it turned me off to this game completely.

Another excellent point Kylrathin.

Originally posted by brad813

The Old Republic will be no better or worse than Star Trek Online.  No real way to compare them since they are two different experiences, just as the movies were.  I never understood the point of comparing Star Wars and Star Trek.  Totally different.  Granted nobody can deny the impact Star Trek has had on the modern world.  We owe everything from cell phones to tele-transportation devices(still experimental, but I know the Duke University physics department has one of the tele-transportation device sites) to Star Trek.  So far all we have from Star Wars, in real life is cinema effects, though I certainly cannot discount that being in the industry myself.  Star Wars is simply designed around fantasy where Star Trek was based off of real science.  Both have their place in the canon of classic Science Fiction.

This is in no way a debate on the differences between Star Wars and Star Trek. Many of us love both. I for one always loved Star Trek more. This was in fact more of a debate on the direction of how the Trek game is being developed.  Like playing ''as'' your ship. The comments about not making it a simulator.  While no one wants a complete simulator, many want a lot of the features in the Trek shows and movies and it seems a lot of the Trek experience is being left out.

I wasn't excited over TOR either but Bioware knows how to sell their game. Now I'm with everyone else here that thinks TOR will be better. We could be wrong but so far Cryptic hasn't shown much to get excited about. They show a fleet of ships and I think half ass because I want to be ''in'' my ship not ''be'' my ship.

But to each its own.

And I agree, Star Trek and Gene's vision has done a lot for tech but that has nothing to do with this game.

 Nothing like being the outside of a ship to build Trek excitement. :)

Originally posted by spookydom

Canceled mine becouse I couldn't get into it. Just seemed like the same old same old with much nicer pixels. However, wish it well as lots of my rl freinds love it and hope everybody who plays it has great time.

I'll tell you what I do love. The character creator. I've never seen so many beautiful avatars in a game. I really liked my look too so it disappoints me I won't be playing.

Originally posted by teco221

So, no need to be a troll  and bash the game.  What's the point of asking this kind of question in the forum if your intention is just going to flame the forum.

I gave a couple of reasons on what I thought. So if you don't agree with me your trolling? Grow up. I said if you liked it great. I was just curious on how many are actually canceling.

 I think the title pretty much says it all.

I'm just curious with all the talk of 300k sold. How many of these were because people wanted to try the beta and now that they did, how many of those 300k are canceling? 

Yes, I'm one that canceled. For me it didn't bring much new to the table and actually felt like a lot of the f2p games I've tried. But that is what I feel, not bashing you if you like it. Just curious how many canceled their order?

Originally posted by zach21uk

 

One thing I want to stress to folks here, is that when Perpetual Entertainment went bust at the end of 2007/begining of 2008 - CBS/Paramount went in to various game development companies and said - "we still want a Star Trek MMO, but we need it by the following date".

 

However, down the line, we ARE going to get Playable Ship Interiors, we are going to get more factions and we are going to get more professions and who knows what else, but for now, Cryptic have been working to a very difficult release date imposed by CBS/Paramount and they are doing thier best.

 

I don't think it matters who is at fault. A half ass job is a half ass job. True that they ''might'' dangle the carrot and promise playable ships later but MMO players are hard to get back once you lose them. If you don't get it right at launch then why bother? Players of late are a lot less forgiving.

This is not to say Trek won't be a good game. But will it be Trek?

I for one don't want to start off as captain. If I were to become one I would like to actually earn it through missions or what have you.  I want to be ''on'' the Enterprise, not ''BE'' the enterprise. Its elements like that that are going to send most people running if they bother with it at all. 

I will do the game a favor and stay away until things are done right if it last that long.

Originally posted by zach21uk

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

No, I'm not. How much did Cryptic pay you? You're a gaming site, not a Trek site. Your few thousand fans are a small minority of ST fandom. You are the minority.

I run a STAR TREK GAMING website - which i believe makes us both a "Star Trek" website and a "Gaming" website.

My website is visited by over 100,000 people per month (unique) and my podcast gets tens of thousands of downloads.  I and the people I represent, are not a minority.

 

 

Actually I listen to your show and I like it. I also don't agree with some of the elements of the game, especially the outside view of ships.

If I wanted to be my ship, i would go play Eve Online. I'm sorry, thats just not Trek to me. If it is for other people, well more power to you.

Now if I feel that way I'm sure some of your other dedicated listeners do as well.

We've all seen how games are defended hard before release and those whom defended it are normally first to jump ship. No one wants the game to fail.

Someone asked what would you like to see. I'd like to see Equal parts,  a well made linear game mixed with a sandbox game. I want to live in the Star Trek universe, versus playing a Star Trek game.

If that makes since to people.

 Cryptic isn't selling this game. Which isn't surprising because it doesn't look like they have much to work with.  I like how he said they weren't interested in a game where you had to run down to the transporter room or mess with a wrench in engineering; translation = half assed.

So far I haven't heard anything in or about this game that excites me. I watched the video that was linked and seeing the ship stuck in outside view just made me loose more interest. I was really looking forward to playing this, but I refuse to waste anymore money on half assed attempts to make a quick buck of the IP's name.

At least Bioware is selling their game. Even as I tried to do a wait and see type approach to Swtor, I got caught up in what they were selling.