Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Demz2

Well after playing this game at the Eurogamer expo in london for a good 2-30 mins, All i can say is that they need to add eevrything they can, because the playable game at the expo was bloody awful.  I personally think eevryone at Crytpic has lost their marbles, their last chance now is to get Star trek right.  With the failure of CO, star trek is their last salvation, this is a huge IP and shouldnt be confined to mediocrity which Crytpic seems very good at.  This game should be bloody massive on sacle, did you read that Crytpic, MASSIVE.  From speaking with the crytpic guys at the eurogamer expo, i personally think they are all livijng on cloud coocky land.  They were tlaking about loading screes,   zone capacities, and instances of zones with channels etc.

 

Oh, i dont' know. Sure I suppose the game is theirs to make a failure but that's like saying Turbine had to make LOTRO epic or they would fail.

Well, some people think they did fail. But in the end it's a pretty successful game even if it didn't live up to some people's expectations.

Also, there really is only so much a developer can do. Just like in the LOTRO, giving the entire world and then populating it would just be a herculean task. I imagine that STO will be the same, it will expand over time. I think as long as what they give is good and enjoyable and immerses players in the Star Trek Universe then they should be ok.

Remember, trekkies will probably be horrifed.

I think they shouldn't half ass the features they ''are'' coming out with. And that is the problem with this game.  Trek is more like Even in space where in stead of you being on the Enterprise, you ARE the Enterprise. 

Also promising to go back and add ship interiors to space later suggests either it will be a complete over hall of space which I doubt, or some lame instance tossed in to shut everyone that wants the feature up.

It's really sad, the few I've heard that actually played it haven't liked the core game. Hopefully they won't screw this IP up. I really want to play Trek. 

Originally posted by Kylrathin

The main thing TOR has going for it right now over STO is it's not scheduled to be released for consoles.  As big of a Trek fan as I am, as soon as I heard that it turned me off to this game completely.

Another excellent point Kylrathin.

Originally posted by brad813

The Old Republic will be no better or worse than Star Trek Online.  No real way to compare them since they are two different experiences, just as the movies were.  I never understood the point of comparing Star Wars and Star Trek.  Totally different.  Granted nobody can deny the impact Star Trek has had on the modern world.  We owe everything from cell phones to tele-transportation devices(still experimental, but I know the Duke University physics department has one of the tele-transportation device sites) to Star Trek.  So far all we have from Star Wars, in real life is cinema effects, though I certainly cannot discount that being in the industry myself.  Star Wars is simply designed around fantasy where Star Trek was based off of real science.  Both have their place in the canon of classic Science Fiction.

This is in no way a debate on the differences between Star Wars and Star Trek. Many of us love both. I for one always loved Star Trek more. This was in fact more of a debate on the direction of how the Trek game is being developed.  Like playing ''as'' your ship. The comments about not making it a simulator.  While no one wants a complete simulator, many want a lot of the features in the Trek shows and movies and it seems a lot of the Trek experience is being left out.

I wasn't excited over TOR either but Bioware knows how to sell their game. Now I'm with everyone else here that thinks TOR will be better. We could be wrong but so far Cryptic hasn't shown much to get excited about. They show a fleet of ships and I think half ass because I want to be ''in'' my ship not ''be'' my ship.

But to each its own.

And I agree, Star Trek and Gene's vision has done a lot for tech but that has nothing to do with this game.

 Nothing like being the outside of a ship to build Trek excitement. :)

Originally posted by spookydom

Canceled mine becouse I couldn't get into it. Just seemed like the same old same old with much nicer pixels. However, wish it well as lots of my rl freinds love it and hope everybody who plays it has great time.

I'll tell you what I do love. The character creator. I've never seen so many beautiful avatars in a game. I really liked my look too so it disappoints me I won't be playing.

Originally posted by teco221

So, no need to be a troll  and bash the game.  What's the point of asking this kind of question in the forum if your intention is just going to flame the forum.

I gave a couple of reasons on what I thought. So if you don't agree with me your trolling? Grow up. I said if you liked it great. I was just curious on how many are actually canceling.

 I think the title pretty much says it all.

I'm just curious with all the talk of 300k sold. How many of these were because people wanted to try the beta and now that they did, how many of those 300k are canceling? 

Yes, I'm one that canceled. For me it didn't bring much new to the table and actually felt like a lot of the f2p games I've tried. But that is what I feel, not bashing you if you like it. Just curious how many canceled their order?

Originally posted by zach21uk

 

One thing I want to stress to folks here, is that when Perpetual Entertainment went bust at the end of 2007/begining of 2008 - CBS/Paramount went in to various game development companies and said - "we still want a Star Trek MMO, but we need it by the following date".

 

However, down the line, we ARE going to get Playable Ship Interiors, we are going to get more factions and we are going to get more professions and who knows what else, but for now, Cryptic have been working to a very difficult release date imposed by CBS/Paramount and they are doing thier best.

 

I don't think it matters who is at fault. A half ass job is a half ass job. True that they ''might'' dangle the carrot and promise playable ships later but MMO players are hard to get back once you lose them. If you don't get it right at launch then why bother? Players of late are a lot less forgiving.

This is not to say Trek won't be a good game. But will it be Trek?

I for one don't want to start off as captain. If I were to become one I would like to actually earn it through missions or what have you.  I want to be ''on'' the Enterprise, not ''BE'' the enterprise. Its elements like that that are going to send most people running if they bother with it at all. 

I will do the game a favor and stay away until things are done right if it last that long.

Originally posted by zach21uk

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

No, I'm not. How much did Cryptic pay you? You're a gaming site, not a Trek site. Your few thousand fans are a small minority of ST fandom. You are the minority.

I run a STAR TREK GAMING website - which i believe makes us both a "Star Trek" website and a "Gaming" website.

My website is visited by over 100,000 people per month (unique) and my podcast gets tens of thousands of downloads.  I and the people I represent, are not a minority.

 

 

Actually I listen to your show and I like it. I also don't agree with some of the elements of the game, especially the outside view of ships.

If I wanted to be my ship, i would go play Eve Online. I'm sorry, thats just not Trek to me. If it is for other people, well more power to you.

Now if I feel that way I'm sure some of your other dedicated listeners do as well.

We've all seen how games are defended hard before release and those whom defended it are normally first to jump ship. No one wants the game to fail.

Someone asked what would you like to see. I'd like to see Equal parts,  a well made linear game mixed with a sandbox game. I want to live in the Star Trek universe, versus playing a Star Trek game.

If that makes since to people.

 Cryptic isn't selling this game. Which isn't surprising because it doesn't look like they have much to work with.  I like how he said they weren't interested in a game where you had to run down to the transporter room or mess with a wrench in engineering; translation = half assed.

So far I haven't heard anything in or about this game that excites me. I watched the video that was linked and seeing the ship stuck in outside view just made me loose more interest. I was really looking forward to playing this, but I refuse to waste anymore money on half assed attempts to make a quick buck of the IP's name.

At least Bioware is selling their game. Even as I tried to do a wait and see type approach to Swtor, I got caught up in what they were selling.

 Well after pre-ordering and paying the extra five dollars for the head start so I could make my characters (roleplay) name as soon as the server came up. Then all the game problems which I was willing to come back to once fixed only to find out that my being on a transfer to server still made me lose my names, I say screw them.

I just don't care what they come out with at this point.

Originally posted by Draccan

I am a curious person.. I signed up even though I know I will not like this game. Though I probably won't even download the damn thing if they let me in. It has already failed (me).

 

Yes, the sad part is everyone was so happy when Cryptic took over the IP from Perpetual. Now I'm not so sure... And believe me I don't mean to be negative but I think we've all been burned. Right now Swtor, Stargate and Trek was on my Radar. SWTOR started out with a rocky start over the graphics but Bioware knows how to sell their product. Even if the game turns out to be crap they are slowly releasing just enough information to keep people interested/excited.

Stargate I think most of us have written off as a lost cause. There was still a little hope with Trek. I figured they hadn't released much info on it because it wasn't ready. Its only been 2 years. But then wham! Beta?

I hadn't heard it would be micro transactions. If thats the case I can completely remove it from my small list of hopefuls.

Originally posted by Karahandras

Originally posted by synergi

Originally posted by JDexter

I wonder how much Cryptic Cash this will cost us.

-Laughs- A lifetime sub or a six month sub to Champions online. 

Joking aside, it hasn't been THAT long since they took the IP over from Perpetual. They are already at beta? Maybe its just me but I haven't seen any news or even a crescendo of information like Bioware has done that builds excitement. The only thing I've gathered so far is it will be half assed as far as some features the player base considers Trek.

At any rate, It seems awfully fast to be going to beta this year.

 

You mean all the information from bioware like the fact that they are making a fully voiced mmo with cut scenes, or that they are making a story driven mmo with fully voiced cut scenes or that they are making a fully voiced story driven mmo with cut scenes?

I have read and seen a lot more about what you get in sto than swtor but have seen a lot less hype

however i wasn't expecting beta for another 6-12 months

I mean yes the voice overs, a peek at the game world, the walk through, probably one of the best MMO trailors ever made. While not official the slip about player housing. Now what has STO released to perk your interest?

I really don't care they are using Champions engine. Thats still a short time to build a MMO the size Trek should be. They've been working on Champions how long? IT just came out and now STO is going to beta too?

Rushed..

Originally posted by JDexter

I wonder how much Cryptic Cash this will cost us.

-Laughs- A lifetime sub or a six month sub to Champions online. 

Joking aside, it hasn't been THAT long since they took the IP over from Perpetual. They are already at beta? Maybe its just me but I haven't seen any news or even a crescendo of information like Bioware has done that builds excitement. The only thing I've gathered so far is it will be half assed as far as some features the player base considers Trek.

At any rate, It seems awfully fast to be going to beta this year.

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by Dana

If I was Richard Dean Anderson, Amanda Tapping, or Michael Shanks, I would be knocking down Cheyenne Mountain's doors and kicking the crap out of the awful modeler that was responsible for these horrible avatars.

Is this what we are looking forward to?

Jack looks retarded, Sam looks like a pig skank and Daniel looks like a pedophile.

I had to laugh at this. Why does this remind me a little bit of Roma Victor?

Anyway I was really really hoping this game would die and a big studio would pick up the IP. I want to play in a stargate universe more so then I want to play a linear game, jumping from one mission to the next. I just don't get a good impression this company knows what its doing from all i've read.

It does not relay confidence.

Its going to be pure awesomeness to run around space and looking at this from the outside of the ship. Can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to this. :/

Originally posted by lornphoenix

Originally posted by Anubisan

I also agree that not including ship interiors in the game is a HUGE mistake on Cryptic's part...

Even with the everyone's a captain approach, players will still want to walk around and explore their ship. The inability to do that will totally destroy the Star Trek feeling of this game. It will also massively decrease its popularity. I am very surprised that Cryptic cannot see that...

I will still pick up this game and give it a try, but I have to say that I was much less interested as soon as I read about this. It is just such a shame that such a goldmine of an IP is being handled by a company who obviously doesn't have what it takes to deliver it properly... or is too clueless to know what that means.

I think you people are just the vocal minority.
I'd like a interactive bridge myself, but could care less about the rest of the ship.
Even that isn't some I care about enough to cry about, not having. 

I think it is obvious that some wish a game while some wish a universe.

As to what happen to SWG. SOE changed the core game which made most of their player base quit. However, they have a new player, not as large as before but a player base none the less. If you've never played it you still may enjoy the game.

Part of the point of an mmorpg is to have things to do.  The Dev's take that approach as to putting 5 raids in instead of 4 or 1000 quests in instead of 500. However the easiet content is to give us the tools and let us play how we wish. If we want to follow missions for a week great! If we want to go craft, or we want to go hang out in the nearest star bases bar and drink and play music, if we want to hang out on our ships and just go look at the newest space phenomenon for the sheer beauty of what designers can do with graphics these days nice! If we want to hang out on planets, or go up into space. Star Trek doesn't need to be a game nor a simulation but it does need to be a universer or I think it will fail.

Quests and missions run out, raids done enough get boring. The tools to keep ourselves entertain she should be place and player ships is a part of that.

Im waiting on the game that gives us an 50/50 Sandbox with your traditional linear game.  We ask for skills they continue to give us classes. We ask for sandbox, they continue to make the games Linear. It makes me wonder if they listen at all.

 Was it an instance? I don't think it was because you could also see other player ships if they pulled up beside you.

Originally posted by Daywolf

See? EnB had a bridge in every ship, and why don’t people remember? Because exterior view is always best, it’s what people generally play with all the camera rotations, not inside looking out. And who wants to run around an SWG floating house yacht? Really…

SWG had some ships with interiors, like here.  And you could send someone off to the turrents on another part of the ship while the pilot stayed at the controls--like here. It was a LOT of fun. Ship interiors added another level of depth and gave you a place to rp when you didn't want to play the game, it became its own game to many.

Here's another ship from SWG. So as you see from the video, it can be done. If its not added, then vote with your money and don't buy it untl it is. That is the best way to be heard.

Originally posted by m240gulf

Folks ask for different...well this is as different as they get.  Pretty cool gaming concept, I like it, but I hope it works too

It really doesn't sound different. As I read the article, I for a moment thought I was reading about Gods and Heroes again. It sounded exactly like Gods in Heroes in space. Not surprising considering where cryptic got the IP from, I'm just surprised they were bringing the concept to Trek.

I too hope it works. To the other poster, if they make a good game people will play it even in the bad economy.  Its one downfall may be when it comes to Trek people want to live in that world more so then play a game. So hopefully its not run from mission A,B, C rinse repeat.