So I read the entire article twice, and the Idea I got from this system is to dumb down combat even further than what WoW did to the MMO genre's combat system?

Six slots? REALLY? Much rather have a twitch based system like TES than TESO. Just saying.....it's not impossible either. Look at Planetside 2, they've got some crazy open-world mechanics going on with twitch based combat with THOUSANDS of players on the field at once shoot/fighting each other.

The "If i used my weapon more over time it gives me more abilities to use over time" doesn't justify the StoryDriven SWTOR copycat style they're going with the game. It wreaks with "Oh, btw, we're going to instance the game to death" like SWTOR as well. 

I don't believe in giving out bits & pieces over time about a product. It only causes confusion & mixed information. I'd much rather they hold on to everything until a month prior to closed beta, and then release all the information at once. The route they're taking with this can only hope to generate horribly negative hype even if it turns out to be half-decent.

Continueing to be disappointed over here.

Originally posted by Tyvolus

 

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Originally posted by Fadedbomb
I disagree.

 

 

The "Big-Name" MMOs fail because of horrible design choices, and "Lead" positions being completely out of touch with what the market wants.

 

The Market did NOT want a "Story-Driven World of Warcraft" with the StarWars franchise strapped on like a skin. So now SWTOR is failing because of the lack of demand in the market.

 

Similarly, people weren't interested in 38 studio's MMO because, quite frankly, it did actually look like another WoW. I didn't get my hands on it so I won't say for sure if it was or was not. However, all the information released about this game pointed towards, yet again, another WoW CopyCat looking for Blizzard handouts.

 

HOWEVER, I do agree that paying your high-end executives excessive amounts of money for doing almost nothing is rather stupid.

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I am not going to argue the fact that we dont need any more WoW clones. Just want to point out (the obvious), WarCraft and Starcraft are carbon copies of Warhammer and warhammer 40k. So, if anyone makes money from handouts, it is Blizzard. They have made a living from the handouts of other companies IPs.

Preaching to the choir :)!

However, Diablo 1 & 2 kept my childhood well entertained. I'm disappointed in the LowestCommondDenominator path they took with Diablo 3.

I disagree.

The "Big-Name" MMOs fail because of horrible design choices, and "Lead" positions being completely out of touch with what the market wants.

The Market did NOT want a "Story-Driven World of Warcraft" with the StarWars franchise strapped on like a skin. So now SWTOR is failing because of the lack of demand in the market.

Similarly, people weren't interested in 38 studio's MMO because, quite frankly, it did actually look like another WoW. I didn't get my hands on it so I won't say for sure if it was or was not. However, all the information released about this game pointed towards, yet again, another WoW CopyCat looking for Blizzard handouts.

HOWEVER, I do agree that paying your high-end executives excessive amounts of money for doing almost nothing is rather stupid.

There's like 7 threads on this now. Why?

Originally posted by ErinDarkstar

I just got this email:

Dear Customer,

We would like to inform you that the official launch date for The Secret World has moved back two weeks, with the new date now being Tuesday the 3rd of July. However, as a pre-order customer, you can start playing prior to this as Early Access begins on Friday the 29th of June! All progress you make within the Early Access period will carry over through launch.
 

But there will be two beta's in June.

 

Already a thread about it.

But yea, Closed Beta players begged Funcom with massive threads to postpone in order to polish the game up.

This is the result. Funcom listening for once, and a good result I'd say :).

What a shameful thing to do. Honestly, put more money into fixing Warhammer Online than this trash.

What some companies won't do to save face. Simply appologize for your failure, and promise to turn the game around while at the same time putting money into it. 

OR

Shut it down, and start over with a new direction (ie: The way WARHAMMER should have been, and not a WoW-Driven copycat).

Originally posted by Alandar

I agree that it's not an MMO and doesn't exactly belong on a site that's deticated to MMO's.  Maybe blizzard paid someone to add it here lol.

Nah, there was a poll from the staff that asked if we wanted it reported on. Which was fine, but the moment they started treating it like an MMO is where they crossed the line for the purposes of the site pretty much.

Other than that, meh :)

Originally posted by Cavod

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by vellus

First, it is Multiplayer

Second, it is Online

There is a lot of solo play in all "pure" MMO, with the occasional grouping if there is a forced group quest, or a dungeon run.

 

So I am quite sure that Diablo 3 is played by many many many the same way all other MMO are played....so why not have it here?

It is not Massive, so I removed it from your list. I'm sorry, but it is absolutely impossible to consider Diablo 3 to be "massive". You don't understand the context when used for MMO's. 

 

Sorry if this comes off as arrogant, but quite simply calling Diablo 3 an MMO is not something debatable. It isn't, be done with it please.

While I agree with you, you may want to reconsider throwing your opinion around as fact. 

 

Ever hear the joke about how by some random year far into the future everyone will be grey from crossbreeding and there will be no more races.... that's kind of what's happening to games.

 

You have your leveling up in FPS, you have yoru twitch/skill in RPGs, you have your strategy everywhere, point and click commands etc etc.   Hey, I want to hold onto my old ways too but fact of the matter is the mindset from 20 years ago isn't completely valid anymore today.

So you're saying that someone can come up to your 4-door sedan and call it a truck, and if you tell them they're wrong...point out the reasons...and then call it FACT that your 4-door sedan is actually a "Sedan" or "Car" that you should be worried about your "opinion" being used as fact?

There are certain things in this world that are known facts. It is known that lobby based games such as Diablo 3, Age of Empires, any FPS title such as Call of Duty etc, are NOT MMORPG...or MMO's to begin with. Trying to split hairs for an argumentative discussion is simply ignorant. 

When did clarifying a FACT become something you shouldn't do? There is no room for opinion here, and i'm sorry if that comes off as rude. However, you belittle yourself and anyone around you if you think you can magically change the meaning of a specific classification. 

You cannot change the meaning of Dog to Cat, and similarly you cannot change Action RPG (or simply RPG) to Massive Multiplayer Online. It simply is NOT possible.

Originally posted by ElderRat

Originally posted by HolyTrevor

You do know that there was a poll out a while ago as to whether they should add diablo 3 to the site or not, which im guessing the majority said they would like it on here and here it is. Whats to compain about?

Gamers either play the game or come here and complain. either or. My opinion.  They don't really need a logical reason, just a target.

Tired of this being repeated when an answer was given.

The problem IS NOT...

I REPEAT, is NOT that Diablo 3 is being covered on MMORPG.com. The poll was clear that the majority didn't mind the news being covered.

THE PROBLEM: Is that MMORPG.com are treating Diablo 3 as if it were an MMORPG, and as if it could have an effect on MMORPG's such as WoW's subscriber base.

The staff need to stop abusing their power to post articles on the site. That's the only point of this thread. PLEASE stop derailing it.

Originally posted by vellus

First, it is Multiplayer

Second, it is Online

There is a lot of solo play in all "pure" MMO, with the occasional grouping if there is a forced group quest, or a dungeon run.

 

So I am quite sure that Diablo 3 is played by many many many the same way all other MMO are played....so why not have it here?

It is not Massive, so I removed it from your list. I'm sorry, but it is absolutely impossible to consider Diablo 3 to be "massive". You don't understand the context when used for MMO's. 

Sorry if this comes off as arrogant, but quite simply calling Diablo 3 an MMO is not something debatable. It isn't, be done with it please.

Originally posted by Xzen

Oh look we have this thread again. Look the MMORPG guys put up a poll a long time ago on if we wanted them to cover Diablo 3. Diablo 3 won the vote so now they cover it. Get over it.

You didn't even try to read what the thread is about did you?

It's not about it being covered. It's about how MMORPG.com staff is treating it AS an MMO. It is NOT an MMO, and shouldn't be compared to MMOs, or even hinted at that it might affect games like woW etc.

NOT AN MMO! Seriously, read the effing thread man.

I'm seeing a CRAP load of Vanu & NC press, but almost nothing about Terran Republic.

My clan will most likely be going to NC, but seriously...what the hell is going on here?

Not cool Sony, not cool.

Originally posted by p_c_sousa

Originally posted by Cavod

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Cavod

k

 

It's a mmoArpg then

 

happy?

 

i kid i kid

 

but you gotta admit

massively : check

multiplayer: check

online: check

rpg: check check check

 

Really, I don't consider it a MMO either but it does meet the very basic criterias.  It kind of falls into the 'guild wars' grey area, just barely.

It is NOT Massively, that is the key component to making it an MMO. You might as well call the Call of Duty, Battlefield, League of Legends, or Age of Empire franchises MMO's. 

 

They're NOT!

The massively opinion is pretty far from fact and relative to how one looks at it.

 

It's massive in the sense that there are a lot of people playing it,  It's massive in the sense that you can play with a LOT of different people.

 

It's not massive in the sense that you can only have so many people in any one instance.  It's not massive in the sense that you are playing with everyone at the same time.

 

However, when you take these statements and apply them to 'real MMOs'... how much does the word 'massive' hold true.

 

playing on servers...  or even a dying server.... GW1 being completely instance.... a niche MMO which never had that many players to begin with...

 

All of these points challenge the strength of the word 'massive' and the question really becomes 'where do we draw the line'.  

 

Now before you get me wrong, I will reitterate that I do not consider D3 a MMO by any means.  However I am open minded enough to see where one could contemplate outside of the norm and come to the conclusion that it is really close to, or maybe even generously give it the title.

 

cheers

 

you cant split the initial words of MMO. MMO mean massively multiplayer online, this mean you can interact with thousand of people at same time. otherwise almost any game with online multyplayer will be a MMO. 

FIFA in that terms is a MMO? Uncharted 3 is a MMO ? CoD is a MMO ? Mortal Kombat is a MMO? obvious no but if you split MMO words this games check them. all have online, all have multyplayer and all have lot of diferent people you can play (massive). 

He's trying to split hairs in terms of what "Massive" actually means. It doesn't work even for open-minded people. 

Saying it over the internet is one thing, but trying to convince someone in RealLife that is older than 22 that the Diablo Franchise is an MMO, or that the Call of Duty franchise is an MMO will only end in them laughing in your face and calling you names.

At the end of the day trying to argue what an MMO actually is, is simply futile. Diablo 3, like the Call of Duty franchise, is NOT an MMO. DRM means nothing other than hurting your own customers for loyalty.

Originally posted by Xasapis

nah, it fails at massive really. How many players can have in one map? CoD is more "massive" than Diablo right now. However it is popular, thus why it's covered by mmorpg and it is covered by battle.net DRM, which is why it's down when battle.net is down.

Pretty much this ^. 

DRM =/= MMO.

Diablo 3 cannot be considered an MMO simply because it is lobby based 4player cap per GAME. It's worse than instanced games like GuildWars, and GuildWars1 is in the "Gray Area" because it is absolutely instanced beyond believe. Yet, it has MMO elements that allow it to remain in the gray area. I'd even go as far as saying GW1 was an Action RPG, but then i'd be set aflame with napalm :x, so i don't :).

Just because something is popular doesn't make it "ok" to completely break the entire premise of a website, or the entire classification that a game can aquire.

Other games in the past have attempted to claim themselves as MMOs, and they all fell by the wayside for lieing to customers to the point of nausium. 

This subject, albeit beaten to death, isn't the topic of this thread. The whole point of this thread was to get MMORPG.com staff to stop treating it as if it were an MMO.

Originally posted by Cavod

k

 

It's a mmoArpg then

 

happy?

 

i kid i kid

 

but you gotta admit

massively : check

multiplayer: check

online: check

rpg: check check check

 

Really, I don't consider it a MMO either but it does meet the very basic criterias.  It kind of falls into the 'guild wars' grey area, just barely.

It is NOT Massively, that is the key component to making it an MMO. You might as well call the Call of Duty, Battlefield, League of Legends, or Age of Empire franchises MMO's. 

They're NOT!

Originally posted by DarkPony

Ugh, Faded. Not this discussion again V_V

- We voted to have it on the site: a majority was in favor

- We shouldn't be anal in regards to the site's actual name, I think, as:

- It's an rpg

- It's online

- It allows for multiplaying

- There is a huge overlap in mmorpg fans and hack & slash fans

- Also more popular featured games = more hits = bigger advertising revenues. (Can't blame the staff to try and make some money to buy oats with to not starve in real life).

I for one, welcome our new hack & slash overlords. Especially since most current mmorpg's aren't really ringing my bell anyway.

Hope that helped, my friend.

 

You're forgetting the MOST important part for it to be on this site:

-Massive

it is NOT massive, it is broken up into game-lobbies, NOT dissimilar to how MPlayer (now GameSpy Acarcade) used to be.

This is NOT an MMO, and the problem I'm having isn't that it's on this site (though it shouldn't be). The problem i'm having is the staff comparing it, or even saying it'll effect other MMOs, when it won't. It is NOT an MMO, and should NOT be treated as one. The staff here, note: not all of them, are treating it as such.

That is the point of this thread Pony.

Trying to degrade what it means to be an MMO by picking apart the word doesn't make it one. Nor does it allow you to whore yourself out (MMORPG.com) for more "hits" so you can make more money. You're an MMORPG site, act like one. 

Again, it's fine to have discussions about Diablo 3 on this site, but treating it like an MMO is simply unacceptable.

Originally posted by Snoogems

As you know people have been getting hacked when joining public games. Blizzard seems to blame the users saying it is client errors too which is... great. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEJJ6QNFa0A&feature=related

Really?

Originally posted by Arawulf
The game is relevent to MMORPG players folks. Nobody said it was an MMO.

Then why should it be on MMORPG.com, and why should it affect WoW's bottom line?

Example

FPS games are ALSO relevant to MMORPG players, because they're gamers and aren't strictly associated with MMO's as their only gaming source. HOWEVER, that's why FPSguru was made because we complained about the encouraged talk about FPs on an MMO site.

Similarly, ARPG's like Diablo 3 should NOT be on this site. Get them off, and stop comparing them anywhere near MMORPG's. Seriously, it's getting old.

Originally posted by Vannor

Everyone knows that when accounts get stolen 99.9% of the time it is the users own fault. Everything in that article is speculation.. words like 'suggested' are evidence that the whole article is completely factless. Even the word 'hacked' isn't accurate right now because no one knows why those items went missing.

I'm sorry, but did you even read that article? It could have been an SQL injection attack to compromise the account information database to easily gain access. 

Additionally, if Diablo 3's servers have THOSE easily abused kind of vulnerabilities then I'm glad I didn't buy the game for other reaons. 

Originally posted by thedarkess

Finally someone said it, out loud! xD

=3