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Originally posted by mrots

Blizz did a wonderfull  job with wow i admit , they went right to the core of human nature , thats why it's popular.

Myself i could not stand the horrible attitude most wow players seem to have. crying over everything and being selfish and greedy.

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Originally posted by Coolguy20
lol true, but some times admiting your mistakes is the only way you can save yourself.

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Originally posted by norse25

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Originally posted by lukebond007
Oh right cool I heard it was quite good. Im looking forward to future releases such as Lord of the rings online and Warhammer online. Is guild wars worth trying?

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Guild Wars is great game, but I was weary of the whole elf and orc thing.  It is free every month too.  My brother-in-law loved GW but said he ran out of things to do.

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Originally posted by Tightsdiesel
I really wasn't into this game. I kept telling myself that the game doesn't start until level 60. I have 2 60's. Lots of people would laugh at me. Call me stupid. But I don't know guess this wasn't my cup of tea. I know that wow is one of those games that is easy to play but hard to master. I know a lot of people in the game and have many friends in it. Infact a lot of friends just dragging me into the game. I know about the expansion.. I have friends that work for Blizzard.. But frankly I'm bored. Maybe not bored of the game but more bored of the subject matter. Now I know I'm going to be flamed most likely. but I was wondering if anyone had any other suggested games as far as more realistic MMOs.  

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Originally posted by shock090
Compared to factions, nightfall looks so much better.  Factions was gd and all but just annoyed me in a way.  .  Anyway it said on the website that they were gonna get rid of your preview event char, i am indeed quite happy that they didnt.  The bonus pack for nightfall, I havent seen it on the shevles yet at all btw. 

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Originally posted by godpuppet

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Originally posted by gestalt11

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Originally posted by godpuppet
I concur with the OP.

If anything WoW has had a positive impact on the MMO market. WoW has proved, by not rushing MMOG development you can release an immensely successfull game. While you or I have known this for some time. It proves it in paper to the men in suits.

Looking back to before WoW was retailed, the majority of MMOG's were rushed.

It is through WoW's example, we can expect better quality games in the future.

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No WoW will have no effect on the output of shoddy and under developed projects.  Nothing in history has before, why would WoW?

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Becuase no western game has been as successful as WoW. WoW spent 2 years in development, almost a year in closed beta testing and a month in open beta testing. Men in suits seeing this will see the benefit of a higher development budget and as a result we can expect better quality games.

Just take a look at the games in development now.

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Originally posted by Kruniac

Classes eat pen0r sandwiches. :)

Skill systems are better, with skills being raised as you practice them. See Roma Victor for an example. UO is another one.

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Originally posted by godpuppet
I concur with the OP.

If anything WoW has had a positive impact on the MMO market. WoW has proved, by not rushing MMOG development you can release an immensely successfull game. While you or I have known this for some time. It proves it in paper to the men in suits.

Looking back to before WoW was retailed, the majority of MMOG's were rushed.

It is through WoW's example, we can expect better quality games in the future.

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Originally posted by -Zeno-

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Originally posted by Coolguy20
The game sucks hard.

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The patch was today.  How can you tell, from these major gameplay changes, that the game sucks now?

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Originally posted by Fion
None or many, like a lot above.

Personally the only MMOG I'm really waiting for now (besides AoC and Biowares unannounced) is a World of Darkness MMOG. WoD has no classes, at least in the traditional sense. Just skill :)

COME ON White Wolf GET ON THE BALL HERE!


Though I do enjoy games that are class and skill based. Like Anarchy Online was both. You had classes but an important part of the game was it's skills and what ones you choose to raise and how often, etc. Age of Conan will be class/skill based as well.

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Originally posted by neoteo

that totaly sound like you dont want guildwars on this forums becose guildwars is a very good game and is kicking hard on the ratings and wow is not.

guildwars is more mmo then most games here are , 2 million people can chat , meet and play ... on the same server.

back on topic , the heros will bring a lot to the game , ive been thingking about it , people will learn a lot more about the real power of the game , the team play.

i still cant imagine what it will do in pvp and end game zones of pve , it will be for sure new.

i also think the reason for grouping will change. becose you will have your own heros , you will only need to group if you are clueless how to solve the puzle , or if your heros setings suc so much you die anyway.

ps : how can someone that play normal mmorpgs find gw boring i dont understand realy.

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by neoteo

that totaly sound like you dont want guildwars on this forums becose guildwars is a very good game and is kicking hard on the ratings and wow is not.

guildwars is more mmo then most games here are , 2 million people can chat , meet and play ... on the same server.

back on topic , the heros will bring a lot to the game , ive been thingking about it , people will learn a lot more about the real power of the game , the team play.

i still cant imagine what it will do in pvp and end game zones of pve , it will be for sure new.

i also think the reason for grouping will change. becose you will have your own heros , you will only need to group if you are clueless how to solve the puzle , or if your heros setings suc so much you die anyway.

ps : how can someone that play normal mmorpgs find gw boring i dont understand realy.

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thats incorrect. yes 2 million people can communicate, but the maximum amount of people that can actually play together is very low, hence its not an mmorpg.

I think the hero system is an excellent idea, nice work Arena net.
although I think its a shame this system was not there from the start.

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Originally posted by Antipathy

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Originally posted by gestalt11

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I don't agree.  I think this is another case of drawing conclusion based upon the actions of lazy designers.

Not sure you disagree either - you seem to be talking at something of a tangent. My point was actually that if a game does have classes then 11-15 is a reasonable choice.

In my opinion skill based systems and class based systems both work well  in different game systems, and I don't see alot of merit in arguing which is better (both have strong advantages and ideally there should be games available that take both options). Even in a skill based system people are normally forced to adopt some form of specialised role in order to advance.

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