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Originally posted by alakram
With all this problems on release they screwed their launch.
They darkfallized their launch so much.

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As bad as the Darkfall launch has been atleast the game managed to generate buzz even before got see Aventurine's customer service in action.

After playing beta in both games I'm looking forward to SPellborn when it officially releases and I have less interest in playing Darkfall; but I have to give credit to Aventurine for capturing the hearts and minds of gamers a lot better than TCoS.

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Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Spellborn is doing the same thing Funcom did with Anarchy Online. They release official screen shots that are touched up and staged, the actual graphical quality is not what the player will experience.
You can only trust experience in this regard, play both games and then tell me what you think of the graphics and its production quality.

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DOn't lie to make a point.

Darkfall has better graphics in terms of reflective lighting, water effects and their most up to date armor models.

They would also be better in terms of shadows but it's such a huge resource hog barely anyone uses it because it cripples them in pvp too much even with machines made and purchased in the last 6 months.

Spellborn is better than Darkfall in terms of particle effects. Also on average has better textures and models because the majority of Darkfall's graphics were made at a time before they got their act together to make something better than Spellborn graphically.

Technically Darkfall has a higher ceiling for utilizing your graphics card but the end result is crappier visual spectacle.

So it's irrelevant if in Darkfall there are moments where Darkfall is clearly better than Spellborn graphically when the leadership that determined how those graphics were used led to an inferior visual experience.

FYI those screenshots on Spellborn aren't touched up. They are attainable with an ATI Radeon Xpress integrated card and an overclocked AMD CPU with the help of 2GB of RAM and I averaged ~20 fps during beta.

SO I guess it takes the DF forums to go down for this thread to get enough traction to have multiple pages.

Too many bored people.

Try some indie games like Cave Story or Darwinia. I have yet tried the second game but the first is fun for a platforming RPG.

Darkfall will be available to try out on the 25th of February and you could heckle the game all you want if it isn't for you. (That is if you can get in without preordering :p )

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Originally posted by arcana666
They'll shut up and pretend it never happened.  People have been real asshats about this game in general.  Even now when people have been invited in to the trial they're doing denial of service attacks to try and screw things up.  It's pathetic.

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You're out of line here blanketing everyone who is negative against DF for being script kiddies.

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Originally posted by Ltldogg
I don't believe the forums are down due to DDOS attacks. If anything, the leaked patch notes confirm what has been speculated: they lied about the status and progress of the game.

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Have you ever done a beta test before? To communicate with their testers and have easily retained records companies use their forums.

Aventurine is not going to shut down their forums making it impossible for them to get feedback on anything not related to bugs.

The company has lied but that doesn't mean whatever they say are automatically false. Besides this is retarded petulant behavior from you because it's highly doubtful no one has made a lie in the past.

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1. 8.5 years in development. Some devs could have released TWO MMO's in that amount of time.

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Some did. Even including those who didn't how many were impressive?

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a fanboy has their heart, head, and ego invested in an item. Any attack or criticism on the item is considered an assault on fanboy's heart, head, and ego. Fanbois are not interested in evidence or past history that might show proof of an impending downfall of item. It is vital that item succeeds and fanbois must convince everyone its awesome. To fail is to damage their ego.

Step back for a moment, seperate your ego from this game, open your mind and look at Darkfall for what it is. A game that has spend many years in development with no beta leaks. That right there should tell you something is wrong

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Regardless of a person being fanatical about a product or not of course a person interested in a product will be emotionally invested because that product may serve their needs. I can get quite giddy when I find clothing, computer hardware and discounts on services I need.

What inhuman freak doesn't feel happy or sad about finding the things they want?

It is you who should step back and realize you are the worst type of emotional person. Like an abused spouse fresh out of rehab you give too much attention to a product you think is fundamentally flawed. Instead of turning away and looking at other things you could possibly enjoy you'd rather leer at everyone who is being patient or impatiently happy browsing this product and warning us the evils of what we desire because we aren't as damaged as you are.

We're all adults and budding adults here. We don't need your nannying and we certainly don't need the attention of certain people who are here for far less honorable reasons.

I don't like the tendency of certain forumfallers attaching so much significance to join dates but you are wrong to think the average person who joined the forums recently and posted in the advanced discussion section were offering quality posts.

They would ask stupid questions that would be answered in the FAQs posted in the Newbie forum.

Others were simply obnoxious when the questioned the integrity of the company making demands and not requests for information.

Before November 08 the number of people who went to the forums to harass the community couldn't be counted beyond one hand. After November I could easily see the number of flame baits escalate.

Speaking as someone who has actively tried to refocus the forumfall community from being less hostile to new people and has always viewed the core community as a liability I find the self importance, ignorance and obnoxious attitudes of the majority of late joiners who actively post in Advanced discussion even more intolerable.

It's the fault of the mods and admins that they allowed the core community to devolve into a hostile pack. But when I joined I didn't adopt the general hostility of the group that existed. That just tells me the rotten new people were already spoiled and rotten before the joined forumfall.

I can say for sure if anyone new forumfallers are getting into beta it is going to be the people who don't post at all (hence having no track record to hold them accountable for) or who post in a positive fashion.

Aventurine doesn't need assholes testing their game. No person desires hostile agents near their work.

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Originally posted by Vutar

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Originally posted by Mehen

If the current beta testers lack the ability to anonymously post SS and Vids, how well are they testing the game?

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You didn't hear?  Aventurine shoots all its beta testers after they log out to keep things quiet.  I'm sure that has been posted here somewhere.

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0_o

Two people who clearly can't think.

Regardless of it being true or false that testers can't anonymously post SS or vids, by not doing that they have more time devoted to testing, not less time as you infer.

You haven't been searching hard enough. You can even use google now to find leaks.

You also are unaware that Aventurine takes their leaks seriously which is why no one bothers offering screenshots anymore.

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Originally posted by Coman

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Originally posted by mutantmagnet

Keep it up Zytx. Darkfall may not be for everyone but it's silly to believe the game doesn't exist at this point.

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Most of the poeple here do not dispute the games existence. Most of them however have been here when Dark and Light got release who is following the same patern like Darkfall is doing now. How can you blame them for being more carefull this time?
If I had a couple of millions on my bank account I would have most likely not cared either, but shamefully I do not have a huge income or a huge bank account and it does not seems like a risk I am willing to take.

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I'd be willing to bet the number of people who are overly negative about the game never touched DnL.

More importantly I've been to enough forums to now know people come here or the official forum to get their jollies off by bashing the game.

This isn't about discussing the merits of the game or the integrity of the developers. This is about jerking themselves off to aggression and hostility.

Keep it up Zytx. Darkfall may not be for everyone but it's silly to believe the game doesn't exist at this point.

There was a lot of reediting by whoever made it. It's a fan project like any other even if not as amazing as the Hitler vid.

I liked how they paired it with the Dark Knight themes.

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Originally posted by Paragus1
Finally a good thread!

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There is joke related to that. It's Issue 12.

For anyone interested in some entertainment but with a little more wit than can be found in this banal forum I suggest you try reading Dimfall.

Cheers.

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Originally posted by DuraheLL
OP:
Keep it up. Paladin... guy

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OP your post looks really nice. In my opinion is the best advice you can give. In my side, I'll be trying to get info about the game to form an opinion.

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Happy to oblige.

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Originally posted by tombear81

• This "game" has had so many promises about features and already broken ones about release and chances to try before buying..
• A coffee morning which seemed a desperate plea for cash mostly.
  • The fact one week from launch the developers realise they dont have the infastructure in place for demand. (Like an MMO launch never get initial surges of people.. well duh .. yes they do !)
  • One week before a supposed launch no one was sure where they could download the client or even begin to download in prepartion.  I assume the "game" is 15 Gigabytes of there abouts.
  • Irritating good old US of A peoples by not even knowing when the game will launch there. Marketing footage shot from the back of a room using a s85T camera like FRAPS has never been invented. A STUPIDLY large list of features. CRAP animations .. oh yes they are !
  The fact the Mr Tasos won't allow his game to be placed in any critical reviewing or previewing arena. Oh yeah that bodes well... erm.. NOT !

You'd be a real sucker to pre-order this game because of the above.

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Let's break down each point.

• I've followed the game for two years. I don't need to be lectured about what is and isn't in the game by someone who doesn't even know that promised features have been removed. Unlike people like yourself I understand features get cut in any project because I've worked on enough projects to understand the group think that weeds out the bad ideas or weeds out the good but too expensive ideas. I honestly would be surprised if you've never been in a project to experience this.
• I thought this was the case as well but reading over the minutes and stated goals of open coffee I think this was primarily about networking instead of fundraising.
• This is one area I agree with you because it was obvious from the forum registry going from 50k to 200k in a matter of 2-3 months at least expect 300k people to try out your game. Personally I believe if 300k want to try the game easily expect a third of those people to discover they don't like the core rules so have enough servers to hold 200k.(Just to nitpick many MMOs don't have high demand. You obviously have not played games like Chronicles of Spellborn, Faith, Seed or Tabula Rasa)
• They always said they disliked preorders because developers were asking you to buy the game before you tried it. Preordering is on the 15th of February. Free trials can begin as early as January 22.I find the current situation acceptable because they aren't pointing a gun to my head demanding I preorder and they are going to allow people to try the game. I won't find this acceptable if the number of people who can try out the the game is significantly less than 10k AND they are under NDA. I also believe Aventurine at some point has to offer a general free trial phase or a server dedicated to holding free trial accounts which can be transferred over to paid servers.
• This is just hubris and lack of knowledge.Do you know only a small percentage of US companies do business with foreign nations and almost 80% of those companies deal only with Canada?Do you know it took more than 50 years for nations worldwide to reestablish their level of interaction with foreign market numbers after the World War II debacle?We aren't living in an age where multinational businesses are the rule instead of the exception.
• They've already released a video and have released atleast 1 per year in the past three.
• So you think the list is stupidly large. This subjectivity has no bearing on the state of the game.
• As I've stated in the DF forums the humanoid animations are crap while their mounts are awesome. It implies to me they had different people working on the animations and they should get the mount guy to work on everything else. Still this has no bearing on whether or not this game is a scam.

It doesn't even matter I've invalidated most of your points. Continue to be doubtful but realize you have flawed reasoning. I'll continue to consider preordering as a good deal unless I can't get any information about the state of the game without NDA leaks. The game shouldn't be under an NDA on or after the preorder date.

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Originally posted by Gnomad
There have been minimal scripted controlled leaks. Learn to think and not be a shill.
BTW how much does Aventurine pay you to post propaganda?

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When you say this what are you referring to? I doubt you are referring to the leaks I've seen. (meaning not this)

So we have a situation where not everyone will be able to try out the game before preordering.

We also have a situation where Aventurine rep mentions they didn't expect demand to be this high despite the growth of their forum registry going from ~50k to ~300k from August to December which was a good enough tip off, so either they are lying (if you believe they are scammer), dumb or naive (regardless of your belief).

One thing that is being overlooked though is that a number of you also believe Darkfall doesn't appeal to a lot of people and would never get above 100k subs at best.

This is where I think those who see Darkfall as being a scam are unfair in their criticism.

You think by not having the servers available to make this beta phase open to everyone interested they are trying to sucker many into preordering. Yet they even said they probably can't get enough servers to let everyone play on Feb 25th, so they'll turn away people if the demand is too high and only allow the preorders to play.

Should a company buy servers to accommodate every gawker who passes through when even you don't believe the game can retain them as subscribers?

Doing that is the same as burning money. Even Warhammer, as well made as it was from tier 1-2 couldn't retain the initial rush of customers as subs despite few had reached the tier 3 slosh.

Everyone else who thinks this is a scam, but believes a game of this type could sustain more than 200k subs in today's market all I can say is just hold Aventurine to their word.

If you weren't able to try the game yourself by the time the game launches then don't buy the game until they offer an ongoing free trial.

But keep in mind if the other people are correct and Darkfall's gameplay can't sustain subscriptions then you'll just have to wait.
Obviously if Aventurine and their publisher launches the game; but only buys a number of servers that can accommodate everyone willing to buy the game, because these gamers trust the word of those who do try the game, they most likely will not set aside resources to allow people to try out the game when they are in a financial whole and their publisher is going to take 35% of the revenue.

To anyone else who is on the fence about what Aventurine is doing I suggest to do the same and hold them to their word. Don't buy the game without trying, unless you trust the people who do get to try it from January 22 till launch.

If you are unsure to trust the people who get to try the game then consider these as warning flags. Aventurine has an NDA in force after February 15th (when preordering begins) and Aventurine's idea of thousands of players is really just a thousand testers.

To those thinking of preordering even if you don't get to see the game beforehand, (like myself) I'll most likely see you on the 25th ;)

Peace.

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Originally posted by xzyax

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Originally posted by nathanpinard

Well Aventurine definitely failed their own expectations, but it's expected in a hard business like MMO's. Most of the "promises" were written years before they got into the nitty gritty stuff.
The pre-orders are disappointing, but it makes sense. People that pay, probably should have a priority in getting a slot for the open beta (also called a trial)
They made a few mistakes on how they worded things, but still...the game WILL come out. And really the delay isn't that bad.
Hopefully they didn't underestimate that.

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They just flushed down the toilet the main card they had left in their hand... integrity.
That is gone now... they no longer get to play that card.
 

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Actually in terms of their try before you buy philosophy they haven't broken that yet. They are allowing people to try the game before they even preorder it. They just can't take in everyone on the 22nd and they don't think they can take on everyone on the 25th of February.

They should offer an on going free trial at launch but that doesn't make sense because they probably can't take in everyone who would even be willing to pay. This part makes it sound like a scam but I won't be concerned about this unless people joining the beta after the 22nd are under NDA.

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Originally posted by Consensus
its thier job to put the game in the best possible light however untruthful, don't be a sucker next time.
 

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Hype surrounding Darkfall is huge right now, despite our best efforts. - Tasos

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Originally posted by Agricola1

However why have they got things set up with the publisher so late? Why even bother having a publisher now if they're going to release by DD? Where can we download the client? If it is 18 gigs and on bit torrent as alleged no -one will be playing the first day unless they put it out for DL soon, which means pre-orders!
This is all just too dodgy in my opinion, and still no system specs 1 week from launch!

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They have a publisher because usually it is their job to create the customer service staff, get the servers (which in this case Aventurine is handling) and distributing it to retail outlets (they've always stated a box will be available eventually).

You've obviously never downloaded a game before or are being very forgetful. You have to set up an account on some registration website and it is there you will either pay or get a free trial phase. You can't jump to the conclusion that people must pay for the game simply to or by downloading it.