Originally posted by Crowkill

Finnmacool1 you crack me up man. You obvious haven't played the game at all. I have been playing is SI came out and i CURRENTLY play the game. You're making claims that aren't even true about that game which is hilarious.

 

Worst casting system ever? You're claims aren't even true lol if you miss, enemy blocks, or resists there is no waiting 5 seconds to recast. You don't even ahve to wait that time if you are interrupted and yes if a caster or healer has a melee class on them they shouldn't be albe to cast. Simple as that. 

If you really think the entire game is about CC you must not have actually RvRed. The game, especially RvR, is focused around taking the towers and keep of the enemy realm. While also trying to take back or steal the enemy power and strength relics that affect whatever realm controls them.

You lack of skill comment has absolute no merit at all. Not to mention the lack or PvP reward lol. You get Realm Points for PvP which you can use to buy realm abilities for you character like purge, static tempest, Ignore Paint, Master of Concentration, etc etc. You aslo get atlantean glass and scales for killing players through quests that are given by npc's. 

Every true PvP will agree that Crowd Control does play a major part in any PvP game especially one with Open World PvP. Without Crowd control PvP easily turns into who has more numbers. Simple as that.

ROFL long time at the comment that you have useless classes that can't get groups. EVERY class is able to group up and provides different advantages and disadvantages. You must of played as a stealther class which you're kind of expected to run solo and even they can get into groups for RvR so that claim isn't even close to true or accurate.

By the Way DAoC is the Herald of PvP/RvR why do you think SWTOR, GW2 developers mention DAoC for their PvP set ups? Why do you think after 10 years they still have over 2.5k members with a growing population? lol DAoC is one of the most mentioned games when developers want to relate to the PvP community. So pretty much you're just trolling becasue of you're lack of accurate information. I bet you think WoW arena PvP is the best out there oh and you listed all those games you played btw trials don't give you the all knowing wisdom about a game unlike someone who as actually plays the game it full time

I logged in 4 days ago. I was there at release and have played extensively but im not going to continue to break down these silly troll posts. I think you are the fourth person to come troll me and this thread with 1-4 posts to your name(all on this thread).

Doesnt matter what maps they add or changes they make to tech trees. As long as they keep the spotting system and matchmakers "as is", the game is a waste.

Originally posted by staran
Haven't played in over 10 years.
Still unsoloable?
Still impossible to find a group to drop the dragons?
Still has horrible plains raiding?
Still impossible for a paladin to get his holy avenger?
Corpse runs?
Where can I get this info?

Im far from up to date on the game but when they did the 45 days for getting hacked i got a small feel. With mercs you can solo at least to 70 and existing players say even a rogue can solo to max with a merc.

No corpse runs, you can summon corpse for small fee depending on level to the guild lobby i think its called off pok.

As far as  the other three id say yes,still impossible from what i saw.

Originally posted by Quicksand

Only SOE F2P news I care to hear is Vanguard, when that happens, I will be very happy!

I too would like to see this happen for a few reasons. It would be interesting to see if a short term gouging for profits with a horrible ftp setup like eq2 would enable them to get over the hump financially to fix the massive amounts of bugs still plaguing the game as well as the continued poor performance on many machines. It would also be interesting to see if it would bring in enough people to fill the lower levels so people could find groups, one of the major reasons people state as why they left. Finally it would be interesting to see if vanguard had the same short term financial boon eq2 is experiencing, would it actually lead to more content or would $oe simply milk the hell out of it and continue the life support plan vg has been on for years now.

Originally posted by ABRaquel

Originally posted by Vyeth

You have to be kidding me... The original EQ F2P before VG F2P? That is absurd.. I mean, I understand the anger and animosity involved in the whole SoE vs Sigil thing, but come on.. Money is money and VG would bring in players and flow (if they did the CS right) to SoE anyway..

Anywho, I will more than likely get on this and return to a different age of mmo (if its even the same anymore).. Hopefully they create a new progression server that starts the timeline over with no expansions and works its way through them over time..

 

So they increased the team size and there seems to be a new Producer.  Hopefully this means Vanguard might go the F2P route soonish.

2 x 0=0

Originally posted by Mardukk
Before seeing the restrictions, I think this is a good move. There is already an item so why not make it f2p. I know I will be back. The massive amount of content cant be beat. Also it will be nice playing PvE focused game that wont screw the PvE content in the name of PvP. Hopefully VG will follow.

At first glance it appears a carbon copy of eq2s which i despise. I dont think it will have the same negative impact however depending on what a "prestige" item is. For one spells tiers dont start in eq1 until what level 80? Secondly quests arent the main source of leveling so limiting these doesnt carry much weight either. 1000 aa for silver not sure the impact since i have like 500 max on my old chars. Ill give it a try and hope it doesnt turn out as gimped as eq2.

lol, wonder if they will "grandfather" former subscriber charrs to be playable like they ended up doing for eq2. Also wonder if the aa slider will be stuck at 50% for bronze/silver.

Anyone know what a prestige item would be?

Nice try but every single thing i outlined is still true today. Poor wording on insta mez since there are instant mez abilities. I was referring to the drive up at warp speed,ae mez, focus fire down, and yes its just as prevalent now as before.

Absolute worse casting system ever designed for pvp bar none. Hell its poor even for pve. Spell missed,blocked,resisted,interrupted(please wait 5secs and try again LOL) All to offset the overpowered ability of spells to dictate the battle.

Any pvp system centered around cc and dominated by removing the ability to control your character is piss poor, period.

Originally posted by profit28

Originally posted by finnmacool1

Originally posted by Polarisation

Originally posted by finnmacool1

Sorry but sounds like this is the only game you played where a complete lack of skill for rvr was ok, which is probably why you enjoyed it so much. There are skilled players in daoc just like every other game out there but no game rewards lack of skill as much as daoc.

Any true pvper will tell you a good pvp game values skill over level, daoc doesnt. Any true pvper will tell you cc should play very little role(strategic only), daoc is built around cc.

Your ridiculous comment on wow casters "spamming" a button as if movement/kiting for casters is unique to daoc shows just how clueless you are. Of course a well played and organised 8 man can crush larger groups of random players. That is no different than any other game. A gaggle of ungrouped solers not communicating or working towards the same objective is easy picking in any game. The fact every 8man squad revolves around a speed class + insta ae mez class really tells you all you need to know. Nevermind the fact that each realm has many classes that wont be invited to that squad because they add little to nothing and are dead weight/filler/fodder for rvr.

I enjoyed daoc when it came out, there are a lot of interesting classes and abilities. The additions of style chains,positionals,reactionary abilities was awesome. You can have fun in rvr but that isnt the same as being a good pvp game. The pvp/rvr in daoc has been horrible since release and is hands down the worse of any game ive played by a longshot. They did away with one of the only redeeming aspescts(realm pride) when they merged all the servers and allowed one account to have chars for all 3 realms.

lol at lack of skill in DAOC... that's why it's so widely regarded as the best PVP MMO of all time... 

noone competent ever died to instant mez, rofl...  

i've played every major mmo (and some minor) since and including UO...

level made zero difference in DAOC because everyone in the frontiers was 50...

another reason why DAOC's PVP is so great is that it had less gear disparity than most...

 

 

 

I would argue that its the lack of skill needed that leads people to make the ridiculous claim of daoc being the best pvp game.

Competant and incompetant alike die every day in every bg due to insta mez rofl...

The first 2 years at a minimum level was a major factor... Its only now with 5 level bg spreads that it is somewhat mitigated. Take a level 40 out to the frontier and see how well you do, being so skilled and all.

I have played every major mmo since eq1 and many minor ones, what is your point? eq1,ao,ac1,daoc,EnB,Shadowbane,LotR,rift,eq2,Vanguard,eve,9dragons,2moons,AoC,Tabula Rasa,DDO,Wow,WaR,Fallen Earth,CoH,probably a dozen more i cant remember off the top of my head.

 

I haven't played daoc in a few years, but you clearly haven't played since the first two-three based on how far off your comments/complaints are.  Daoc was slow to evolve, but so many things have been balanced for so long that you show your true experience with the game by complaining about it.  It's true that CC was ridiculously overpowered in the early years, but that was so long ago that the RvR experience then was a completely different game than what it became.

Daoc is still the most skill based pvp I've played, partly due to the fact that it is not easy, and that everyone is level 50 with similar gear.  Playing a healer or caster in daoc was so much more difficult than playing one in other MMO's (especially ones that copy WoW) and you could really see the difference between a skilled player and a non-skilled one.

Lol you admit you havent played "in a few years" but then make the ridiculous claim "I" have no idea what the game is like today. FYI you can get 10 days free every 90 days to check out the current game if you have an old account. I logged in last week how about you,oh wait...

If a name isnt offensive/racist/vulgar/copyrighted,etc i honestly dont care. In fact i think every uptight, anal retentive, busy body that feels the need to try and dictate what others should call themselves in a game should be sterilized if not shot dead.

EQII is simply one of the best high-fantasy MMOs that’s ever been made. It’s feature-rich, content laden, constantly evolving, and has a community that’s perpetually growing and changing. As an example of that particular flavor of MMO, there is no comparison. Other games have larger audiences, but no one can claim to be better than EQII, and no new game can possibly ever catch up in feature depth and content.

I wouldnt expect him to actually tell the truth given his employer and position but this part had me rolling on the floor laughing. This game is a thousand percent better than at release but that says more about $oe pushing crap out before its ready to turn a buck than for the quality of eq2. The game has always had the feel of a bland,souless, substanceless rice cake. There are many much better games in the genre including eq1,vanguard,and wow.

What the hell is wrong with you posting that picture of "road kill" in a gaming thread? Is a flattened dead animal with its guts showing really needed to make a point?

Originally posted by mastaD

lol someone's mad, or havent grasped the concept of War in Life....

 

The bigger forces always and will always use their Full might to crush their enemies, you dont win Countries by being a sweetheart and play it fair givng fair fights to your opponents...

 

you want to get in, destroy them ,sap their moral , make them flee... So that you can place a Foothold on that land and conquer it.

Its annoying to see people cry about zergs , you'd preffer 2vs2 Arena Ship Fights to know who wins the country.... -_-  ...  Dont awnser that actually

Havent played eve for years so, no, im not mad.

This garbage doesnt belong in news for one. Secondly i would prefer those skillness noobs that feel the need to zerg to keep quiet, not brag like they did something worthy of attention.

You want to talk smack like it means something choose the proper venue and at least have the dignity to base it off skill, not numbers.

Why is this trash talk under "News"?

You zerg a lesser force with numbers as opposed to  skill and come here to gloat? If i give you a cookie and some milk will you go to bed on time? Dont you have a big day at elementary school tommorrow?

Of course the numbers went up, you can log in for free.You can even play free if you dont mind severe restrictions and being majorly gimped. Once people figure out they are spending more and getting less being nickle and dimed, the numbers will shoot down again. If you actually like the game , you are better off paying the gold sub

Originally posted by Polarisation

Originally posted by finnmacool1

Sorry but sounds like this is the only game you played where a complete lack of skill for rvr was ok, which is probably why you enjoyed it so much. There are skilled players in daoc just like every other game out there but no game rewards lack of skill as much as daoc.

Any true pvper will tell you a good pvp game values skill over level, daoc doesnt. Any true pvper will tell you cc should play very little role(strategic only), daoc is built around cc.

Your ridiculous comment on wow casters "spamming" a button as if movement/kiting for casters is unique to daoc shows just how clueless you are. Of course a well played and organised 8 man can crush larger groups of random players. That is no different than any other game. A gaggle of ungrouped solers not communicating or working towards the same objective is easy picking in any game. The fact every 8man squad revolves around a speed class + insta ae mez class really tells you all you need to know. Nevermind the fact that each realm has many classes that wont be invited to that squad because they add little to nothing and are dead weight/filler/fodder for rvr.

I enjoyed daoc when it came out, there are a lot of interesting classes and abilities. The additions of style chains,positionals,reactionary abilities was awesome. You can have fun in rvr but that isnt the same as being a good pvp game. The pvp/rvr in daoc has been horrible since release and is hands down the worse of any game ive played by a longshot. They did away with one of the only redeeming aspescts(realm pride) when they merged all the servers and allowed one account to have chars for all 3 realms.

lol at lack of skill in DAOC... that's why it's so widely regarded as the best PVP MMO of all time... 

noone competent ever died to instant mez, rofl...  

i've played every major mmo (and some minor) since and including UO...

level made zero difference in DAOC because everyone in the frontiers was 50...

another reason why DAOC's PVP is so great is that it had less gear disparity than most...

 

 

 

I would argue that its the lack of skill needed that leads people to make the ridiculous claim of daoc being the best pvp game.

Competant and incompetant alike die every day in every bg due to insta mez rofl...

The first 2 years at a minimum level was a major factor... Its only now with 5 level bg spreads that it is somewhat mitigated. Take a level 40 out to the frontier and see how well you do, being so skilled and all.

I have played every major mmo since eq1 and many minor ones, what is your point? eq1,ao,ac1,daoc,EnB,Shadowbane,LotR,rift,eq2,Vanguard,eve,9dragons,2moons,AoC,Tabula Rasa,DDO,Wow,WaR,Fallen Earth,CoH,probably a dozen more i cant remember off the top of my head.

Originally posted by Polarisation

Originally posted by finnmacool1

I would love to know where the author came up with daoc long being heralded as having the "best" pvp. Of course the die hard daoc fanatics would say that just like the die hard vanguard players claim that game to be the best game ever despite reality.

The reality is daoc has always had the worse pvp. Level is more important than skill(mitigated these days by bgs with about a 5 level spread). CC has always been ridiculous. Absolute horrible casting system for any pvp game. Lets see some guy 3 football fields away is looking at me funny so it interrupts my spell? really? Now i cant even attempt another spell for 5 secs? really?

Assaulting/defending keeps is the only semi fun pvp in daoc. Every other encounter goes one of two ways:

1. Zerged

2. Drive by mez,focus fired down while you cant fight back.

Neither is fun,neither involves skill,and neither is remotely rewarding.

DAOC PVP took tons of skill, i think you're only criticising cause you didn't have any. simple things like breaking /stick to spread and position properly on inc made CC not that big of a deal. Hard interrupts on spells, again, required a little more brains than wow-style just keep on spamming the button, you actually had to move/kite and reposition.

One of the best things about DAOC PVP that noone's mentioned is the fact that a well-organised & played 8man group could wipe whole zergs of crappy players, which meant the side with the biggest zerg didn't always win.

Plus i am yet to find an MMO - ever - that comes close to the thrill level of a pitched lords room battle, or the rush of darkness falls changing hands, or an 8-man battle that's still going after 10 minutes...

awesome game. it's still hard to fathom why they wouldn't make a daoc2.

Sorry but sounds like this is the only game you played where a complete lack of skill for rvr was ok, which is probably why you enjoyed it so much. There are skilled players in daoc just like every other game out there but no game rewards lack of skill as much as daoc.

Any true pvper will tell you a good pvp game values skill over level, daoc doesnt. Any true pvper will tell you cc should play very little role(strategic only), daoc is built around cc.

Your ridiculous comment on wow casters "spamming" a button as if movement/kiting for casters is unique to daoc shows just how clueless you are. Of course a well played and organised 8 man can crush larger groups of random players. That is no different than any other game. A gaggle of ungrouped solers not communicating or working towards the same objective is easy picking in any game. The fact every 8man squad revolves around a speed class + insta ae mez class really tells you all you need to know. Nevermind the fact that each realm has many classes that wont be invited to that squad because they add little to nothing and are dead weight/filler/fodder for rvr.

I enjoyed daoc when it came out, there are a lot of interesting classes and abilities. The additions of style chains,positionals,reactionary abilities was awesome. You can have fun in rvr but that isnt the same as being a good pvp game. The pvp/rvr in daoc has been horrible since release and is hands down the worse of any game ive played by a longshot. They did away with one of the only redeeming aspescts(realm pride) when they merged all the servers and allowed one account to have chars for all 3 realms.

I would love to know where the author came up with daoc long being heralded as having the "best" pvp. Of course the die hard daoc fanatics would say that just like the die hard vanguard players claim that game to be the best game ever despite reality.

The reality is daoc has always had the worse pvp. Level is more important than skill(mitigated these days by bgs with about a 5 level spread). CC has always been ridiculous. Absolute horrible casting system for any pvp game. Lets see some guy 3 football fields away is looking at me funny so it interrupts my spell? really? Now i cant even attempt another spell for 5 secs? really?

Assaulting/defending keeps is the only semi fun pvp in daoc. Every other encounter goes one of two ways:

1. Zerged

2. Drive by mez,focus fired down while you cant fight back.

Neither is fun,neither involves skill,and neither is remotely rewarding.

The comical thing is that this game was better as a pve game with its positional attacks,reactive abilities,and weapon chains. Shadowbane had far superior pvp,hell even eq1 and wow had much better pvp. 3 realms and keep warfare is the only "boon" daoc brings,sadly those cant make up for the rest of its shortcomings.

Wow now you guys are pimping magazine subs. Just when it looks like you cant get any lower, you rise to the challenge and prove your bottom feeder status. Good job.

A good deal would be all expansions for $10-15. It is typically what happens when a game is old and losing subs. Anyone interested in those expansions content has already bought and "beat" said content. These deals are meant to entice players who left long ago or attract the 10 people who havent tried wow..