Not really an MMO but overlook all the time and most do not know about it at all.

www.simcountry.com - Broswer Empire building game with a real economy.  Your are the president of your own country and have to build it up.  You do not have to go to war ever against other players if you do not want to or you can wage war against everyone.

Originally posted by Souldrainer

BF3?  Record breaking success!  SWTOR?  Record breaking success!  Kingdoms of Amalur?  Epic fail!  Getting 4/10 (or 2/5) reviews on some sites, including G4TV.

But yeah, he left because of SWTOR, if you ask some of the members of this thread.  Let's keep in mind that Subscription MMOs are designed to be sustained cash over time, not massive bursts in cash that CFO-types love.  The game is not the type of game that would impact his job at all. SMH.

Kingdoms of Amalur is a great game, so much fun.  If you like action RPGs then this is a must have.

It blows SWTOR out of the water without even trying.

Its a mix of Fable and Skyrim. 

Who cares what reviews say, they gave great reviews for so many crappy games that they have lost any and all credibility a long time ago.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Spalliero
Skyrim is a much superior game, koa is just not the quality. Skyrim is a 9.5, koa is 7.5. That said I enjoy koa more.

I would probably agree. However, a coworker started playing Amalur and in some ways likes it better than skyrim because it's "not as open".

He really loves it. I will be installing tonight, Skyrim is more my type of game but I suspect that there is some good stuff in here.

The game does become much more open as you get further into the game from what I have heard.  I am only level 5 almost 6, played most of last night but I am not a fast leveler in Single player games, I tend to explorer everything and play with crafting.

Skyrim is the benchmark of single player RPGs really, other than the lack of weapons and armor but that could just be my play style, after i got my smithing to 100, I never found anything to replace my weapons and armor for like half the game which is not fun for me personally.

I am having a blast in the game.  The combat is great, the ability animations are killer and the story is good so far.

I like the skill trees so far but the game does have its flaws.

Number 1 - The camera is crap, crap, crap and more crap. 

Number 2 - No jumping, wtf, how can you overlook a simple thing like jumping. 

Some other minor flaws but those the 2 that are almost game breakers but the gameplay does allow me to overlook them.

1.7 million active subscribers.

So is that success or a failure for Star Wars the Old Republic?

Yes I would rather have better gameplay then Graphics, I could care less about graphics if the game play is great.

Perfect Example - I play a ton of Making History 1 and 2 and both have very poor graphics but I have put a ton of hours in because the gameplay is great.

I think most old school gamers (1980s - 1999) would rather have great gameplay and poor graphics over great graphics and poor gameplay.

I think another great example is Age of Conan,  Amazing graphics, bad gameplay, game failed and is now F2P.

Originally posted by Ceridith

Today's news:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/01/megaupload-indicted-shuttered/

So apparently the IP industries have no problem getting accused copyright infringing sites shut down, and having those related to said sites arrested outside of the US.

Yup, this was done through DMCA.

So again, why the hell would they also need SOPA and PIPA?

Too pass on the cost of fighting piracy to the American tax payer.  End of Story.  The Music and Movie Industries want to keep  more of their millions, so they figured they could get the government to fight piracy for them so they do not have to spend the money and they can keep more of their money.  

That is what is happening.  No other reason for SOPA or PIPA.

Originally posted by Himshim

No, it should not be stopped. 

Why?  Explain your position please because I simply do not understand how anyone could be for these bills.

Yes it should be stopped.  We here in America do not need to be like China and Iran.  Our government cannot be trusted to fliter the internet.   I do not want the government to tell me which websites are okay and which are not okay.

This is about our freedoms.  The internet is the last truly free place on earth, both free speech and personal choice still exist and we need to fight to keep it that way.

This is nothing more than the Music and Movie industries trying to past the cost of fighting piracy on to the American tax payer, nothing more, nothing less.  When did it become the governments job to protect the Music and Moive industries?  Did you guys forgot we are BROKE and cannot spend more money on something that those industries should be paying for?

Both Bills will not stop piracy, it will not even dent it.  These laws will not stop piracy because most piracy sites are located in other countries outside the law of the USA.  This will not stop them, shut them down or even punish them, it will punish the average American, not the criminals.  

This is nothing more than another example of how corporations have the real power not "WE the PEOPLE"

Originally posted by noxiel

Originally posted by TdogSkal

I give TOR 2 years before it is F2P.   All Theme Park games have the same problem, end game.  Once you reach max level how much is there to do?  Raid or PVP and sometimes group PvE content.  

I have not played TOR and I do not plan on playing as I am sick and tired of Theme park games, they are just not fun for me at all.   Enjoy the new favor of the month and I do hope I am wrong but 2 years and TOR is a F2P game.

How on earth a game can be cataloged as a Theme Park if no one have played end game for the retail version. I wonder what game you play, that gives such and insight without playing the game. If you play the game by all means I'll give credit to your opinion, but please play it and maybe you are right or maybe you are wrong.

Many hope you hit the spot, and many companies are nervous on what is goin to happen, hoping it fails.

I played beta and currently playing the game and it brought something else. Its the voice of many gamers that are sick and tired of how the MMO's are developing. Messy storylines. Horrible gaming comunity. Bad expansions. Easy playing. This game is different.

It dosen't have the feel of a theme park game, it has something else about it. Maybe the ships and how one use them. Maybe the setting, a non-fantasy game MMO was late due. Or the good players comunity. I think its a great comunity, I'm playing the game and it feels like when played an MMO for the first time. It felt like Everquest, WoW clasic and SWG. 3 games I held dearly for the great times I had playing them. 

Maybe this time we have a good game for a change. Really hope it last. If It feels like a joy ride or ebcome one I'll be the first to trash the game for it. Still it dosen't feels like it. 

I belive there will be some records bronke. Hope they quickly earn money so Bio develop more content and don't stop the game. It's too soon to say its a Theme Park. If haven't play the game don't trash it. Play it, go to end game and then tell me how it went. 

[Mod Edit]  I have been playing online games with the same group of people since 2000 in EQ1.  Some of them are playing this game and we talk about it on Skype all the time.   They tell me it is on rails, ie a theme park game.  You follow quest hub to quest hub and you have a set path to level depending on the faction you picked at the start.    Tell me I am wrong?

Also we know this is a theme park game as it is not a sandbox game as it has a set number of classes that fill certain roles plus you follow quest hub to quest hub to level.  No need to explore much as it will tell you where to go for the next set of quest.   Also Based on it being a Theme park game, we have a history over the last 5 years of these types of gamings releaseing to mega hype and slowing dieing until they go to F2P or a Hybrd Model within 2 years.  Again tell me I am wrong?

Why does it bother you so much that I come to MMORPG forum and post about the newest released MMORPG?

Originally posted by Painlezz

Originally posted by TdogSkal

I give TOR 2 years before it is F2P.   All Theme Park games have the same problem, end game.  Once you reach max level how much is there to do?  Raid or PVP and sometimes group PvE content.  

I have not played TOR and I do not plan on playing as I am sick and tired of Theme park games, they are just not fun for me at all.   Enjoy the new favor of the month and I do hope I am wrong but 2 years and TOR is a F2P game.

Makes me wonder why you're posting here, in this thread, about this game? 

I will admit I have a difficult time understanding why people like/dislike things sometimes.  I personally thing STO was a horrible game and just today I met someone with like 10 level 50's and has been playing it daily and loving it since release.  I just don't get it!

WoW was an amazing game (my opinion that was shared by millions and millions of people).  Eventually you get tired of it and move on.  People seem to think playing a game for 400+ days /played and getting tired of it means it's a bad game.  I doubt many people have logged 400+ days /played in Skyrim or Oblivion.  As much as people love those games there just isn't that much to do.

I can't talk about TOR's endgame yet as I haven't gotten there.  SOON!

I am posting about this game because this is the latest MMORPG to hit the market that is a theme park game and as we have seem with the countless other copies on the market currently the history of these type of games.  They go F2P after a year or 2.

Just because I have not played the game does not mean I do not know what to expect out of these type of games.   History is your friend.  The History of Theme park games for the last 5 or so years is they release with large numbers and within a year or two they are F2P with half or less servers than at launch.  

Why does it bother you so much that I am posting about this game?  

Originally posted by SuperTasche

Originally posted by TdogSkal

I think you mean movies 1 - 3 not 4 - 6.  Remember 4 - 6 was released first in the 70s and 1 - 3 are the "new" ones.

Well I feel sorry for you if you think the new Star Wars movies are the better ones. George should've stayed away from the franchise.

No No No, I do not like 1 - 3.  I like 4 - 6.

"First: This one is a shame for the Star Wars movies. And I'm counting from four to six here."

I was making the comment on this part of your first post.  I read it wrong and I thought you were shaming four to six here.

Originally posted by 77lolmac77

http://www.itok.net/blog/index.php/2011/04/mac-vs-pc/

source link

the whole graph is Mac biased

they base compatibility off of how Mac can run Windows but Windows can't run Mac OSX

MAC cannot run windows, Bootcamp runs Windows not the MAC OS

Also If you compare the software on the market for a Windows PC and a MAC it is not even close.  Windows Wins by millions if not billions of software options.

I think you mean movies 1 - 3 not 4 - 6.  Remember 4 - 6 was released first in the 70s and 1 - 3 are the "new" ones.

I give TOR 2 years before it is F2P.   All Theme Park games have the same problem, end game.  Once you reach max level how much is there to do?  Raid or PVP and sometimes group PvE content.  

I have not played TOR and I do not plan on playing as I am sick and tired of Theme park games, they are just not fun for me at all.   Enjoy the new favor of the month and I do hope I am wrong but 2 years and TOR is a F2P game.

What did you expect from EA customer service?  EA is a bad bad company, the only reason they are as big as they are is they have the "Sports" games each year that allow them to buy up all their compition and screw them up.

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by joanne71

I liked the beta, I liked the stories, I found my companion kinda hot.

 

But on the beta weekend I never levelled up high enough for PvP.

The big question on my mind - did anyone do some Open World PvP and if so how was your experience?

 

from what I heard you can pvp your own faction -- which, from a lore standpoint makes no sense to me.  this is similar to what Blizz did over the years to their warcraft lore (see paladins to HORDE, as just one example) -- once you start spitting in the face of your own lore, simply to ease the burden of your dev team, you have lost my respect. 

 

enjoy.

My bounty hunter is only loyal to credits, not either side of this silly war. Jedi, Sith, they all die the same.

fair enough, but jedi v jedi ?

You mean like Anakin vs. Obi Wan?  

Anakin was a Sith when they faught.  Obi Wan was a Jedi.

Sith Vs. Jedi.  Not Jedi vs Jedi.   Please learn the lore in Star Wars if you are going to post.

Please learn how to spell if you are going to post.  Thanks.  And how about Anakin severing Mace Windu's arm?  He was still a Jedi at that point, right?

Spelling does not matter as long as you understand the point I am making and you did.

Second That is when He turned from Jedi to Sith.  Again please learn the lore in Star Wars before posting.

So is it a true theme park game?  Max Level by end of month for most people?  I hate these type of games.  The journey is no longer the game, only the end game max level matters anymore.   Sad Sad Sad.

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by joanne71

I liked the beta, I liked the stories, I found my companion kinda hot.

 

But on the beta weekend I never levelled up high enough for PvP.

The big question on my mind - did anyone do some Open World PvP and if so how was your experience?

 

from what I heard you can pvp your own faction -- which, from a lore standpoint makes no sense to me.  this is similar to what Blizz did over the years to their warcraft lore (see paladins to HORDE, as just one example) -- once you start spitting in the face of your own lore, simply to ease the burden of your dev team, you have lost my respect. 

 

enjoy.

My bounty hunter is only loyal to credits, not either side of this silly war. Jedi, Sith, they all die the same.

fair enough, but jedi v jedi ?

You mean like Anakin vs. Obi Wan?  

Anakin was a Sith when they faught.  Obi Wan was a Jedi.

Sith Vs. Jedi.  Not Jedi vs Jedi.   Please learn the lore in Star Wars if you are going to post.

Originally posted by Torik

I really do not see how these are examples of 'problem solving'.  You needed to get specific items and it required time and luck to get them.  I don't generally consider brute forcing things to be much of problem solving. 

The problem is nothing is telling where to find the keys or how to find them or where to even look.  Just when you try to open the door it says "door is locked, requires key floor 1"   In Wow the same quest would say "Door is locked, required key floor 1 which can be found on the skeleton lord who is in his throne room"

See the difference?

Also the VT required my guild to figure out how we could hurt this boss mob, the first time we tried him, we failed badly because only the casters could hurt the boss and the melee could not.   The Second time we tried it a different way and that failed again because we could not do enough damage.

After we failed the second time we decided to look talked to the quest giver again and got a new quest.  

'The prophecy will come to pass at last. Take my knowledge... the knowledge of our lord. I will not last much longer. This sickness will kill me like the others. There is one other who can help you. He claims to know some weakness of these creatures, seek him at the smelting furnaces near the mines. Now I must tell you the secret of the key.'

The 'one other' he refers to is an iksar foreman in the mines. Tell him about Elder Glanoxx.

You say, 'Elder Glanoxx sent me.'

an Iksar foreman says 'So you've been talking to Elder Glanoxx eh? The disease has addled his mind, claiming gods speak to him. Nothing more than fever dreams if you ask me. Sometimes though... one could almost hope it was true. No! The fanatics will not catch me with unclean thoughts. If only there were some way to take advantage of the weakness I've discovered.'

You say, 'What weakness?'

an Iksar foreman says 'Shhh... Be quiet the Taskmasters have sharp hearing. There is a green metal found in the mines that our masters despise. We must carefully separate it from the ore before working with the purified metal. Any tainted metal is quickly destroyed. Many a slave has lost their life for not properly purifying the metal. I'm convinced the secret to the master's weakness lies in the tainted metal.'

You say, 'What tainted metal?'

an Iksar foreman says 'Yes, though none of us would dare wield a sacred weapon of the masters perhaps you could. Forge one of their weapons and some of the green metal from the mines and you can taint the metal of the weapon. Their own corrupted weapons shall be the instrument of their downfall.'
 

That is what quest look like in EQ, I assume you know what quest look like in WoW.  Tell me how WoW required the same problem solving skills as EQ.