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no whey! WoW invented the mmoternet too
perhaps these guys used up all the keys

http://files.lineage2fan.com/24-11-06.jpg

Originally posted by SantaClaws48

Originally posted by Sentime

Originally posted by SantaClaws48

And tbh, the only thing private servers have going for them is that they are free and have better xp rates. Everything else sucks.



That's a matter of perspective.  I think they're better because there's a live person behind most toons, unlike retail where one person might be controlling up to 40-50 characters at the same time. Most of the quelity servers won't even allow you to autofollow.

LOL. Botting is pretty prominent on private servers. It's not hard to bot and it's not hard to stop your bots from being on auto follow.

I have yet to meet any single person who is controlling 40-50 characters at once.


Depends on your private server when you're talking about bots.  Some don't care, the good ones do.  As far as retail bots.  The last time I bothered trying to XP on retail, 1 guy was controlling 5 teams in the lower rooms of Forge of Gods. Most of his toons had key mashing names like edgferf, wetrer, gghswer, and had to be in the 70's

gg retail

Originally posted by SantaClaws48

And tbh, the only thing private servers have going for them is that they are free and have better xp rates. Everything else sucks.



That's a matter of perspective.  I think they're better because there's a live person behind most toons, unlike retail where one person might be controlling up to 40-50 characters at the same time. Most of the quelity servers won't even allow you to autofollow.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Ugh..reading the rationalizations by people here for running Private servers or illegally downloading music made my head hurt. 

To all of you who support this.  The taking of intellectual or physical property without paying for it is wrong. There is no gray here..its a black and white issue.  No amount of reasoning on your part changes the fact that those who do it are criminals. (according to the laws of the US).  Yes, that's right, I'm calling you criminals. Don't like it? Don't steal other peoples stuff.

And don't bring legal arguments in on this.  You all know in your hearts you are stealing... you just have no problem with it because it suits your selfish nature.  But if you were a person who actually created things for a living you'd understand more the error of your ways.

 



lol it's people like you that created the laws and probably people like you that get burned by them in the end.

At least they had the sense to call them copyright violations and not stealing.  If it was stealing, all the old laws on theft would apply, so please don't compare and act like you know something. 

Originally posted by Blaad

4. Why do you think NCsoft is enforcing the TOS at the moment? Do you think its a permanent change of policy or a temporary action to accomplish some short term goal?  If its a temporary change what is motivating them to enforce the TOS now?



   Because they are on a witch hunt to shut down all private servers.  Once that's over we'll see if they pull in subscribers. If not they'll be back to ignoring botters to make the #'s look good. Just my 2 cents.

Originally posted by thunderbolt1
Why does everyone on this site resort to name calling on this site when things start to get hairy??? What image? this is a web forum.



I'm not sure but in debate class, people like that generally failed.  Think it has a lot to do with being insecure, close minded, and generally having no interest in anyones opinon but their own.

@ayuchan, just lol at the record industry,  shame the same will happen with the game industry.

http://www.eff.org/share/petition/
Jukan you need to relax a bit.  Insulting people to make your point generally means you don't have one.

Your auto comparison fails when you talk about "selling" it.  Many private servers are open for fun, when they start charging and making profits off of NCsofts work then I agree, there should be fines to pay and imo it should be a civil case, not criminal.

The problem, for me, is NC denying consumers the right to make a server like that in the first place. They cleary do so in their EULA, but the EULA is not law, and they don't always enforce all parts of their EULA (account sharing is a good example) so I hope the courts don't back them.

There's also a lot of speculation as to exactly what the charges are.  You can find some updated news:
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=11786

[UPDATE: Gamasutra had a chance to speak to Chris Thompson, the Austin-based FBI agent assigned to the case. Thompson noted that the case "...is an ongoing investigation", adding: "The charges for something like this are not really public."

We really don't know what the charges are, it could be they shut only l2x down for stealing and distributing the server files and nothing else.  Don't you find it odd that they only went after one service?
good riddence to private servers?  Oh yeah, they'll go away, just like l2walker, the eBayers, scammers and botters.

NC efforts to stop it will be about as effective as media efforts to stop music piracy.
In the meanwhile NC will learn nothing and the retail servers will continue to suck.

Don't compare cars to software btw.  But if you want too, a company like this wants to build a set of roads and build a car, you can build your own roads and your own car and long as you don't copy anything they did or impact their profits in any way.  You can't ride their car on your roads btw, nor can you ride your car on their roads, or you end up in jail.

You follow?  ... maybe?  imo if the auto/transportation industry was offered the same rights software companies want, your ferrari would have never been built and this country would still be stuck in the 1800's.

Originally posted by Sovrath

All of the work put into L2 is the work of NC and it's developers. They have the right to give give the client away, charge for it, whatever.

It is not the right of some people who just don't like what they've done to take it and change it and then take donations to keep it running.

It is NC's right to be a sucky company, great company, etc. If you don't like it don't play.

Cripple the software industry?

If and when you make a game or software package you have the right to distribute it anyway you want. And NC has the right to distribute their game (read: THEIR GAME) any way they want.

It's not the intellectual property of the makers of the private servers. That is it. Cut and dried.

 

 



Sounds to me like you're saying Microsoft has the right to do whatever since they developed Windows, like block Firefox and force you to use IE?

@naldric, the client is free.  What you pay for and need a CD key for is their service (ie running servers, customer support, and profits from that).  You can dl the client to you computer, look at the files, play the music etc etc and not pay NCsoft a dime, and if you read their copyright policy, they state quite clearly you can do whatever unless you charge a fee for it. The server files themselves are not a software package, are not sold and have no monitary value.  You can quote EULA if you want, but that's not law and even NCsoft reps have said it's more of a guide to help them provide better service, and not all EULA and ROC clauses are enforced or equally enforced.

I'm not argruing that private servers are "right", but I am concered over the controls the companies are given over people modifying and reverse engineering current products and the laws created as companies are trying boost their profits.  Much of the software industry was built on copying and immitation with companies allowing or forced to allow continued development and creativity. 

To add, if NCsoft wasn't so draconian, rather creative and tried to emulate the atmosphere on private servers with a different variety of servers, this woudln't be an issue right now.


I'll  have a good laugh when the courts give these greedy little game companies too many rights and Microsoft slaps all their asses down allowing only BillGates sanctioned games to run on their OS.  Hi, NCsoft, want to write your own OS too?!

NC doesn't sell the game, btw.  The client is free and the server had no monitary value + it's dated and no longer used or supported by them.  The subscriptions pay for the service they provide on their servers, which has completely sucked since they opened, hence the success of privates.

If this goes to the courts, which I hope it does, it should be unique and interesting.  Cant wait to see some clueless judge cripple the software industry some more.

Originally posted by liddokun

The operators of L2extreme brought it upon themselves when they tried to cheat/defraud NCsoft. They didn't spend millions of dollars designing and making Lineage2 so they have no right to the game. What they did was simply theft of the source code of the servers, and they simply got what they deserved. Maybe a few years jail time and a few thousand dollars fine would teach some people not to steal.



Heh dream on.  This site runs ads for things NCsoft considers "illegal" btw.

The title of this column should be, "FBI shuts down L2Extreme operation.  Investigation ongoing."  They didn't stop much.

Originally posted by Jukan
Game isn't dead! Don't be angry that you are missing the new online sensation known as Lineage II. 100k active subs in NA and EU...pretty good split over 10 servers... 

If the game was dead, they wouldn't have just released a new server. How many MMOs do you know that after being out for 3 years suddenly in the third year release a new server because game populations are high? That doesn't sound like dying, comon people use ur head.



If you want to consider people running 5-9 accounts (bots) to level 1 toon an improvment to the game, then great.

Also love the fanbois with their witty "don't be angry" comments.  Recently when they did a mass ban, pretty much all the servers went from "Heavy" to "Light" status in prime time.  Do you think they would have added a 10th server if all the others were so unpopulated?

I don't quite understand why their latest bans were more brutal on the bots.  Perhaps they figured out people are so absorbed in the game and the RMT business is so damn good, they will all probably open up all new accounts and NCsoft can add to their 14 million customer total.

Online Sensation? 

If you love china gold farmers, play L2.
If you love botting and botters, play L2.
If you love killing the same stupid AI mobs 50,000 mobs to level, play L2.
If you love one of the most tedious craft systems ever, play L2.
If you love crappy sieges, packed with bugs and client crashes, play L2.
If you love horrible PvP with some classes as gods, others worthless, play L2.

Go online sensation. 100k, that's like what? 2% of WoW?
Hah.  It's the end of private servers, the same way all the bot programs saw an end. Lol.  You've got a better chance of NCsoft not spinning their sub numbers then private servers going down.
ahhhhhhh NC,  they finallly kicking rats out of the sinking ship!  Will it be enough to save it?  hmmmm


For anyone wanting to try L2, I recommend you play the free trail, maybe pay them 1 month if you're feeling charitable and then run run far far away.  It won't get better.
I got a feeling this one day reviewer was telling us Auto Assualt was a great game.  8.5 lol

Year it was a great game for a couple of days, then woops, no high end content.  Archlord is all about the high end content,  1 day reviewers don't waste your breath, the game needs to be "simplified" so that mass scale wars and sieges at the high end won't bring average systems to their knees (ie Lineage 2).  The begining part of the game is all about learning the steps, building your clan, and building up wealth + power.

Hoping to see some real reviews at the end of open beta.

Originally posted by Fonzieguy
If i wanna be a mage I HAVE to be a female, if I want to play as the elves once again, I HAVE to be female. 


Haha, well ya if you need to be the "correct" sex for whatever type of activities you're interested in then this game isn't for you.

For those interested in PvP, building guilds, sieges, server domination and doing all types of evil and cruel things to people you dislike then this might be the game for you.

P.S.  Please don't review any more games after 5 minutes of play.

Originally posted by little_faz
I'm considering trying this game, should I try it?
You can try it. The game definatley has some mild entertainment value.

If you want to stay for the long haul and actually want to compete at the high end, I suggest you get yourself multiple accounts, or access to a buffer and find one of the many bot programs.  Playing L2 legit is almost an insult atm and the top end people that got there botting/ebaying/exploiting will ruin your game experience once you start getting into it.
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