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6/22/08 3:42 PM
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Drilling what? There isn’t enough *proved* reserves off the cost to meet US needs for even a single year. How is that supposed to bring down prices? |
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6/22/08 3:08 PM
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Originally posted by Draenor
Ummm no. Gas prices are what they are due to market forces; it’s the free market doing what the free market does. |
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6/22/08 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by Copeland
Actually his post was pretty bang on. True naivety is trying to erode the power of democratically elected governments so the wealthy can anoint themselves kings/lords |
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6/19/08 7:56 AM
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Originally posted by Blomi
Epic failure I guess blomi would prefer to keep making up his own “facts” then discuss the published science. |
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6/18/08 7:20 PM
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The construction that raised the energy use of Gore’s in 2005 has been done for some time and his home is recognized as one of the most eco friendly in the |
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6/18/08 5:04 PM
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If 1998 “Was the peak” why is every year from 2001-2008 warmer then 1997, 1999 and 2000? Your own chat shows a normal year is now equal to an exceptionally warm year like 1998, so what happens the next time a warm year hits? |
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6/18/08 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe
Wrong on both counts. Temperature dropped for 5 years during WWII then held steady for ~25. This is entirely consistent with the known forcing.
Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe
Wrong again, study after study has show temperatures today are as high or higher then any point in the last 2000 years, and most likely comparable to the Holocaine maximum 8500 years ago. The last time it was 3 deg warmer then today was a full 125K years ago, and the last time it was 5 deg warmer then today was 5 million years ago.
Note that on this scale 20th century warming is basically a vertical line.
The last 5 million years. 0 deg is circa 1950 temperature. (On this scale absolute peaks less then many thousands of years disappear. For example the peak 125K years ago is ~3 deg warmer then mid 20thj century, but it only lasted about 1000 years so it doesn’t show up.
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6/17/08 6:05 PM
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Calling people names isn’t going to solve anything. Just because you don’t want to pay your own way doesn’t mean the rest of us should just looks the other way while you dump the cost of your lifestyle on others. |
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6/17/08 4:29 PM
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Blomi, if you had really studies epistemology you would know that just because you don’t “know” the sun won’t explode tomorrow doesn’t prove that it will.
That’s really the argument you are trying to use, even though 99.9% of all papers published agree global warming is happening and caused by humans, you are trying to insist that that 0.1% doubt is all the proof we need to conclude it isn’t.
The question here is whether you are going to side with science, or follow the latest political blog with the blind faith of a religious fundamentalist following their holy text. Whichever you choose, the science is clear, overwhelmingly so, with thousands of papers published on one side and virtually none in opposition. |
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6/17/08 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by bluberryhaze
Live however you want, just don’t demand handouts to subsidize your lifestyle. By insisting that someone else pay for the cost of your CO2 emissions, handouts are exactly what you are asking for. |
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6/17/08 9:56 AM
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Originally posted by outfctrl
Now that’s some real alarmism. Japan and most European countries maintain standards of living as high or higher then the US and yet each person only produces 1/4 – 1/2 the CO2.
Clearly reducing CO2 output isn’t as economically damaging as energy company spokespeople would have you believe. Wow who’d have suspected corporations would deceive people to pad their profits! |
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6/17/08 9:51 AM
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Agriculture is prospering due to unsustainable energy inputs and unsustainable depletion of aquifers for irrigation. Neither of these are helping to worlds poor, in fact subsidized western agriculture has driven large numbers of third world farmers off their land and into city slums.
Meanwhile agricultural production in Africa and Australia is already suffering due to drought, and agriculture in the US, China and India is living on borrowed time as their sources of water for irrigation deplete. |
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6/17/08 9:35 AM
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Originally posted by outfctrl
That's not a link to NASA it's a link to a blog run by Anthony Watts - Watts doesn’t work for NASA - Watts has never published a paper relating to climate - Watts is an incompetent moron
For some moderately technical dissection of some of watts “arguments” trye the following links.
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6/17/08 9:22 AM
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Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe
Scientists do argue over many aspects of climate change. However, some things they no longer argue about include:
- Humans are responsible for the rise in CO2 over the last 150 years
- CO2 causes the planet to warm up
- The warming over the last 100 years is outside what can be expected from natural variation and requires some type of forcing to occur.
- No mechanism other then CO2 has been proposed that can explain warming over the last 50 years
- you can’t explain the warming over the last 100 years without manmade CO2
Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe
And as was pointed out that’s complete fiction. What that claim amounts to “if I inflate a balloon, and then deflate it there is CO2 coming out of it an increasing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.” It just doesn’t work that way.
If there is so much natural new CO2 entering the atmosphere why did it just start 150 years ago when people started burning fossil fuels, why does the change match the amount fossil fuels we have burned and why do the isotope levels of this new CO2 match that of burning fossil fuels and not match natural sources of CO2? |
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6/16/08 9:41 PM
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Originally posted by outfctrl
You realize the guy they are interviewing isn’t a scientist but a corporate lawyer and lobbyist right? |
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6/16/08 9:32 PM
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Originally posted by Techleo
Actually the CO2 emitted by volcanoes is balanced with the formation of carbonate rocks like limestone. The CO2 emitted by volcanoes, in turn, mostly comes from those same carbonate rocks when they are thrust beneath the earth as a fault line which forms the volcano. This process takes millions of years, of course.
You are exactly right otherwise. |
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6/16/08 2:37 PM
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Originally posted by outfctrl
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6/16/08 2:09 PM
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Originally posted by outfctrl
That’s just a line of BS designed to scam noobs. 1998 had the strongest El Nino on record. A strong El Nino can raise the temperature for that year by as much as 0.5 deg. Even without an El Nino 2007 matched 1998, so the baseline temperature may be as much as 1/2 a deg C warmer.
BTW Solar activity has been decreasing since the 60’s so it can’t be responsible for any of the warming we are currently seeing.
Originally posted by outfctrl
A few cooperate sponsored blogs like to cherry pick 1998 when they develop their trend lines, but if you do the math correctly the trend is still going up.
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6/16/08 8:36 AM
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Originally posted by enzyme
From the looks of the trailer they ditched all the black comedy aspects, and just made a running man ripoff.
Originally posted by enzyme
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6/15/08 8:44 PM
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Originally posted by Draenor
I friggen hate this kind of logic...if you are wrong, then the world is a little bit cleaner? Yeah, but let's neglect that if you are wrong, we spent billions, if not trillions of dollars trying to fix something that wasn't broken. Cost of food has already gone up as a result of all of this climate change nonsense, global warming alarmists, along with environmentalist idiots, are ruining our economy with their notion that "hey, if we're wrong, then so what, you get a cleaner Earth to live in" but that's just not the case...will the earth be cleaner? Maybe...will our economy suffer for it? Absolutely.
It hasn’t cost the EU “Trillions” to control its CO2 emissions. France, Germany, Japan, the UK, and pretty much every other rich country in the world produces 1/3 - 1/2 the CO2 per person as the US does. Are you saying the |
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