I will wait until I see what they are doing with EQ3

SoE is a big corporation and works very diffrerently from the average MMO developer, they are the EA of MMOs.

The way they work is through  numbers, graphics, marketing briefs and board meetings, that's why they've been so crap in the past 8 years.

Let's not forget that like it or not SoE created 2 of the most iconic MMO in history EQ and SWG......................Smedley should think about that instead of chasing the ghosts (WOW)

EQ2

Not only had a Trinity but 5 different Roles

Tank, Healer, Buffer, CC, DPS

First 2 years of EQ2 is best Group experience of any MMO I played.

It is a pity SoE decided to turn EQ2 into a WoW expansion

Those are very old Videos, even Aventurine Logo is the old one.

But the OP is right.

The look of the game won't change much.

DF:UW is not a new game, it is DF Reloaded or how it should have been 3 years ago.

Not that I am complaining, since I was waiting for a Server wipe to try the game again.

People should try this game, honestly.

It wasn't so bad when it launched with all those exploits and bugs, now that (hopefully) it has been fixed, it should be an awesome game to play.

Originally posted by Quirhid

Haven't we seen enough failure to ditch it forever from MMOs. Its fine in a SP game where you are not competing against anyone, but in a multiplayer environment it will always be exploited in one way or another.

Look BF3 and CoD are still sold, why not playing that instead of expeting a MMO to be a PvP arena.

The point of MMORPG is progression.

Improving your character (both skill and equipment) is what keep people playing a MMO.

If you take out progression from a MMO, it just become a normal Multiplayer game, in which case you are spoilt for choice.

OP you chose the wrong genre to enjoy Esport PvP.

So to answer your question, NO, we are not done, and we never will.

GW2

It is made for casuals

You don't need a great PC to run it, just put graphics at minimun.

Unless you have a 486, it should work.

I cannot believe this game is still alive.

This is the answer to all those people who thinks that EQ won't work today.

If there are so many players who still play a game with a 11 y/o technology, I cannot imagine what will happen if SoE will finally updates EQ to modern standards

I really hope SoE understood that there is no more room for another WoW clone and finally decides to make an EQ clone instead

The OP must have read a new Lasagne recipe by mistake.

Really from the info we got so far, TESO look more like SWTOR with TES skin.

I don't know where you get the impression this could be the saviour of MMO.

If Zenimax do not add some Sandbox (I said some) in TESO, this game will go down the drain faster than the Bioware game.

Originally posted by Inlor

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Housing has never been instanced.

There is a hiding / stealth skill. Its called having skill. Learn to be sneaky and use the environment to hide you. Dont go charging in at full sprint while casting spells and drawing attention to yourself. Its very easy to get the drop on people and catch them from behind if you learn to be sneaky. Though hopefully they do something about the ping spikes when getting near other players to make it a bit easier. The wary players always notice the ping spikes and stop fighting other stuff and start looking for enemy players as soon as that spike hits them.

Ah ok, thx, didn't know about the housing. Nice to hear.

And about the hiding and stealth skill: Won't hurt to implement a real hiding and stealth skill. In about 10 years UO I never heard a lot of people complaining about them, as you could use AOE-spells or tracking skill to reveal them.  Was especially nice to have near a IDOC with lots of reds. But o.k., maybe you can really hide better in a real 3D environment (I hope there are no "names" above your head?).

True, it might work, but have you tried to sneak on players from behind in DF?

It is very realistic.

First you have to crouch and then you need to slowly move toward the enemy.

The higher crouching skills you have, the less noise you make while approaching the target.

Because if you pay attention, you can hear another player coming from behind.

That's the beauty of DF, you have to be always aware of your surroundings to survive and that includes funny noises coming from behind.

Originally posted by rush1984

Originally posted by ste2000

Originally posted by rush1984

I'm so bored right now i litteraly have no games to play lol:(

Every mmorpg i have played in the last few years have been a dissapointment :( and i have now run out of mmorpgs to play

the last one being gw2 after making a lvl 80 i have lost the will to even log in on that game

not sure if im just done with mmorpgs or they are just all crap

anyone else in the same boat? or what game are you playing?

 

 

Are you kidding?

In less than 2 months there is DF:UW.

Trust me everyone should try it, it might surprise few peeps.

I hope so :D ive been following it but i just dont get hyped anymore

I'm hoping final fantasy xiv makes a triumphant come back with FF14 ARR, square enix is a company that in all likeliness got me into RPG's in the first place ever since FF7 :D if a company deserves a comeback it will be them :D

well we can all hope :D

Yes that too.

So there are already 2 (almost) new games to try in the next couple of months, c'mon is not that bad

Originally posted by rush1984

I'm so bored right now i litteraly have no games to play lol:(

Every mmorpg i have played in the last few years have been a dissapointment :( and i have now run out of mmorpgs to play

the last one being gw2 after making a lvl 80 i have lost the will to even log in on that game

not sure if im just done with mmorpgs or they are just all crap

anyone else in the same boat? or what game are you playing?

 

Are you kidding?

In less than 2 months Aventurine will release DF:UW.

Trust me, everyone should try it, it might surprise few peeps.

Originally posted by Lobotomist
Same thing with original DF. They practically kept it secret until the launch

This ^^

Aventurine is the most unusual developer in the gaming industry.

They literally don't give a shit about Public Relations, but I have to say I kinda like them.

To answer the OP, I bought the original DF so I won't have to buy UW.

If you don't trust AV, wait for our reviews of the game, no need to build conspiracy theories (believe it or not, Aventurine is really that bad in PR).

Originally posted by helthros

Do you guys even play FIFA? I've been playing FIFA since 93 - 13 is 10x better than 12 was. The movements and the passing is so much better and the implementation of clubs is by far the best they've done. The only thing they dropped the ball on was only being able to progress your pro online.

It sounds like it's an issue with Wii or Nintendo much more than it's an EA issue.

Other than that it's a much MUCH better game than the last. Stick to computer games and QQing about that, because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about here and just flat out look stupid.

Well, yeah, the article clearly states is a WII specific issue, so no matter what your experience with FIFA is, you are just off topic.

Originally posted by Arclan

I read that SWG had almost 11,000 subs on its last day of existence. That's over $150k per month revenue; nearly $2 mil a year. That is a lot of money; surely it was profitable. Why shut it down? Unless...

1. You think these 11,000 subs will quit as soon as SWTOR launches
or
2. EA paid SOE, or came to some other agreement, that lead to SOE shutting down SWG.

 

As I predicted 1 year before SWTOR launch, I said that SWG would close its doors few weeks before SWTOR release, as it happened.

The reason is really simple, although people at that time gave me hard time for saying that, it is basically down to licensing rights.

It is not possible for 2 companies to share the same IP for the same kind of products.

A licence is generally exclusive.

So when Lucas Arts gave the MMO rights to EA, automatically it had to withdraw the Licence from SoE (Just to understand what I am talking about Google the legal war between Bethesda and Interplay for the rights of Fallout MMO)

It has nothing to do with the profitability of SWG, which I believe made more money than Vanguard anyway (and Vanguard is still alive)

Originally posted by mmoDAD

I voted Sandbox, too.

I can't imagine blasting through the Theme Park to max level in a matter of weeks and having to spend the next 4 years and 11 months playing the same 4-5 Battlegrounds, Arenas, Warzones, or whatever they want to call 'em.

Sandbox has fantastic sustain. It's a shame that AAA funding has never really hit the Sandbox genre as of yet. Here's hoping for ArcheAge and EverQuest Next (Smed did state that they are going virtual world with this one).

I wish

Source please?

Originally posted by Bercilak

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Perpetuum is good alternative too.

Why is that?

As many already pointed out, GW2 is B2P, so since I paid already for the game I can afford to take as many breaks as I like and then come back when I feel like.

So the question is a bit redundant.

Maybe a good question would have been, "Will you buy the next Expansion?"

In which case I would say maybe, depending on the changes Anet will make to the game, for example if they add Housing and Raids I would probably buy it.

Getting the Space Combat right would account alone as a 50% improvement of the whole game.

As it is at the moment is just a insult to all Star Wars fans which deserve better.

No

I am in favour for safe areas in which PvE like for example instanced dungeons (which I know it is already a stretch for DF fanboys), but an entire server with no PvP is a no go area.

DF doesn't make sense without PvP.