Originally posted by TomBaker_fan

 

Please don't take one comment out of context, Scott said in that same interview they have NO plans in going that route. There is nothing wrong with how they currently bill, it is not gonna change, it works. 

 

It works, up to a certain level of accounts.  With the amount of people Trion has working on the game, there comes a point where its simply not profitable enough to do sub only.    The only other games that are below 250k subs that are p2p are the games that are much older and have a fraction of the staff that Rift has.  

If Storm Legion brings people back (and they stick around) than there probably wont be a cash shop beyond the occasional mount they do now.  If SL only pleases the current fans than Trion might have to consider plan B.  Hopefully they don't have to, and if they do that people are understanding of it.  I think a cash shop is more likely than f2p, I don't see Trion going that route but who knows.

Yes, this is just conjecture on the most part, including Rift's sub numbers being below 250k but its hard to imagine they aren't at this point.  Storm Legion will definitely deliver for fans of Rift as it is now.  Will it deliver for those that are on the fence?  Dimensions are a huge plus on paper, they sound absolutely amazing. The fact that they didnt address the dire need for leveling alternatives will hurt it.  The game world needed to be 'tripled', but not added to the top, instead divided up amongst all levels.

Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

With the exception of numbers 6 and 11 that's got to be the most piddling, pedantic, nit picking list yet. Boohoo! Some people are never satisfied.

As for number 10, mind your own f**king business!

Its from someone that loves the game and said he had to think hard to find things he disliked.   Agree with you on number 10 though.

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

  And if you score it now you have to deduct for TP being down so long.

 

Why?  Why on earth would you adjust a score for something that will be 100% insignificant in the games lifespan?  At worst, the delay in getting the TP is negated by the fact that you can post buy lines, and then some. 

I would really love to know exactly what goes on at SoE and especially what goes on between Smedley and his higher ups.

Im a SoE supporter, but don't think this is a great move.  EQ2 probably has around 100-125k playing, so its not like anyone will make significant money off those items, players or SoE.  Just make them drops.  I don't mind the cash shop at all and i like that SoE is experimenting heavily with user created content, but this is kind of pushing it IMO.  Actually I would like the idea better if the player got to choose to make a amrketplace item and get the 40%, or make it a drop and get nothing, just give SoE free weapon design but know that the boss of badassedness dropped YOUR greatsword.

Bigger issue is that EQ2 shouldnt have an expansion this year, AoD was so content lite it hasnt caught up yet.  I strongly think Sony pressures SoE to put out an expansion each year for both games, ready or not.  And i don't think they are helped out with development money from Sony so PS2 and EQnext money has to come from somewhere, hence the cash shop creativity.  But I really do not know.

The only thing Im pretty certain of is that SoE isnt rolling around in heaps of cash laughing at customers for using the cash shop.    That money is being put back into SoE, I just think they could do things a bit better to rase money.

"Is the Pokemon generation off to college yet?"

They are in their early 30s now I believe.  Long past school, or perhaps in their second tour of duty in school.

Voice acting for the most part in GW2 is very good, but falls short of great or excellent.  The Norn stroyline is the one that seems to be subpar voice acting wise, but Asura, Charr and Human are all above average quality.  

I absolutely hated the presentation at first, but have grown used to it.  I think i would just rather it be done in game, but I can live with whats there.  Personal story takes up maybe 1% of my playtime anyway.

who gives a flying fuck about sales records?  Game is certainly successful and well received.  

Originally posted by Tibernicus

Optional scaling and sidekicking is a MUCH better system for that sort of thing.

Optional scaling doesnt work.  Level 50s absolutely ruined Rifts and invasions for low levels.

I didn't even read the original post because its blatantly obvious the OP has no knowledge of economics from the title alone.

Originally posted by DMKano

Originally posted by Smitt3k

Originally posted by DMKano

Sorry but the mechanics of Rifts invasions are FAR better - the rifts do not appear in fixed locations and the invasions can take over entire zones.

 

In GW2 dynamic events are a misnomer - they should be called SE's - scripted/static events - always happen in the same places have no impact on the world (some have minimal impact).

Anet should be ashamed for such blatant lying - there is nothing dynamic about running a triggerd script!!

So from this point forth I am calling them SEs 

I am not sure you are playing GW2. There are alot of dynamic and sweeping changes that events have on the landscape.

I just hit 72 - so tell me a single event in GW2 where the entire zone gets taken over by an event and needs multiple groups in each part of the zone working together.....

There is nothing that even comes close to large epic Rift invasions in GW2, it's small crap where a portion of the map gets impacted for a short time before the scripted event gets triggered again 5 min later.

 

The thing is, the Rift events are the absolute epitome of zerg.  One of the (valid) complaints about GW2 is the zerg factor the DEs can take on.  However, there is still mch more for the individual person to do in a GW2 event than Rift.  You need to swap your weapons/skills effectively, you need to revive fallen people, avoiding damage is significantly more important in GW2 than Rift as well.   Its just far more active of a zerg.    And I havent seen the high level stuff, but The Shatterer is IMO cooler than any Rift invason boss (although SL may raise the stakes there)

Originally posted by TomBaker_fan

 

Because Trion is not going the micro transaction route right now. 

Hartsman said they have consider it.  Its coming.  But he also said that the money will be put back into the game.  And I believe him.  I also think SoE puts the cash shop money back into the game too.  When you have the sub numbers Rift has, P2P just isnt enough to keep full support.

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by fivoroth
Now people want xpacs for free? Dont know what to say. Thats just pathetic.

For free?  What have I been paying for?

Originally posted by firewater4176

Do all of you rift players forget that trion has not charged anything  since release for all the content, features , ember isle ect. they have added?

..The 15 bucks a month you have been paying has gone to the updates and content you have been getting for the last year.Isnt that what your paying for?

I guarantee any other mmo would have charged you for all the content, feature updates.

Give me a break  there asking 40 and if im correct this also includes the entire base game includes new players with 30 free days. So subtract 15 from 40 for the free month you pay 25 bucks.

After that im sure all content added for the next 6 month to a year will be your hard earned 15 dollars a month at work.

Damn what more you want?

Incase you forgot here ya go ....

• RIFT 1.9 Events
• RIFT 1.9
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• RIFT 1.8 Events
• RIFT 1.8
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• RIFT 1.7 Events
• RIFT 1.7
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• RIFT 1.6 Events
• RIFT 1.6
•  
• RIFT 1.5 Events
• RIFT 1.5
•  
• RIFT 1.4 Events
• RIFT 1.4
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• RIFT 1.3 Events
• RIFT 1.3
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• RIFT 1.2
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• RIFT 1.1

The End...

They have been charging me a monthly fee.  They have offered around $45 or so in additional rmt additional content in the form of account upgrades and special mounts.  Since I'm an existing subscriber I don't get an additional month or anything else.  I just get to pay $40 in addition to the nearly $300 I've already spent.  By the way, new players pay $50 not $40.

It's a good game, but P2P seems to have died with Lineage.  Now it's P2P + xpac fees + additional content.  What more do I want?  I want a straight forward payment model.  If it is cash shop and micro transaction supported fine.  If it is P2P then fine.  But don't try and double dip with both.

You can tell my why I should throw my money at it all you want, but it gets the pass from me.  When my account expires then I'm done and done with subscriptions.

you really should take an economics class or two.  Rift isnt charging because they can, its because they have to.  

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

This expansion is a lot bigger than MOP.

Nothing wrong with the price.

We don't know that.  They say they are 'tripling the world size', but Ill believe it when I see it.  Pandaria is roughly the size of Telara, that we do know.  

That said, dimensions sound pretty awesome.  Probably not enough for me to return to the extreme currency grindathon that is Rift, unless the new zone design is a huge improvement over the old ones.

40 isnt a bad price though.  Its not like they dont bust their asses.  Its a fairly small sub base but puts out a ton of content, devs gotta get paid somehow.

Originally posted by Chilli2k
People will never truly appreciate these games until they learn that it is all about the journey, not the destination.

The point of a journey

Is not to arrive

Anything can happen

Originally posted by deniter

Next step forward on the path GW2 has chosen would be an old fashioned FPS PvP game in fantasy setting with no levels, skills, gear, etc..

I'm sure lots of former CS crowd are happy for every 'improvement' in an MMORPG genre in terms of  reducing grind, importance of gear and meaning of social activities between the players, and that's fine, but that's not what MMORPGs are about. The 'Blizzards model' GW2 executes pretty decently is an evolution from FPS genre, not MMORPG.

What the companies should do is take few steps backwards and then choose the other path, the one that leads to evolution for MMORPGs. You know, those games that encourages players to talk to each others, work together as a team, and adventure in a huge seamless world for months if not years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0

Originally posted by Amana
Please don't bump your own threads. Yes, this forum is super active right now, but it's a bit spammy to do so.

I find it pretty ridiculous that this gets called out while the same dozen people are allowed to post nonsense in thread after thread after thread.  That is FAR FAR FAR more spammy than bumping a post that obvious some thought was put into.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Sorry but gw2 is nothing like the blizzard model.

The blizzard model is...
Skinner box loot systems, taking advantage of the same psychological flaws that Casinos use. (they started this gaming trend with diablo)
Raiders come first, everyone else second
Instanced (both pve and pvp) endgame, with cities as glorified lobbies.
An obsession with sticking timers on pvp.
Power coming from time played first, skill last.
Dead easy super casual leveling game that suddenly and jarringly jumps to a grind the cliff face endgame

Non of which applies to gw2

Sucks that you never played vanilla WoW

One major thing that Anet did right that bioware and trion (among others) failed miserably was focus very, very heavily on the world and its inhabitants.  The amount of love thatr went into creating the zones and cities in GW2 is apparent and astounding.  Tyria is ALIVE, moreso than any game released this milennium.

WoW understood how important a great game world was too.  Anet just out executed them on it.

Originally posted by caetftl

 

 

 

Looking back at some of the things they said, it seems to just be blatantly false advertising. 

 

 

 

OMG an MMORPG exaggerates things in prerelease hype?

Go read the boxes for MMOs/expansions.  same as it ever was.  

Here is a recent example:  Storm Legion will be tripling Rift's size!  Not that Rift is a large game, but given that its only 6 zones in SL those zones will have to be pretty enormous to live up to their claims.  But hey, it sounds good.

Originally posted by Myrdynn

Originally posted by Kaynos1972
Worst Customers support ever ?  If i'm counting right, you have waited 1 working day !    Supposed you openned the ticket on friday, that's not full working day so i'm not counting it.  This weeked was the labor day weekeed,  so yesterday (tuesday) was your 1st full working day since you opened the ticket.   Man worst support ever they dont answer in 24 hours.

FWIW, every MMO I have played doesnt only operate their customer service on a 9-5 Est M-F work schedule

Yeah, most operate on pacific time