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Originally posted by Obraik

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Originally posted by BaronJuJu

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Originally posted by pirrg

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Originally posted by pearljam668

Im long time star wars fan, since i was about 6, and i was just wondering if this game is worth playing, please tell me things like community, quests, combat, ect, not just yes no plz

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99% of the posters on this board arent playing the game, so id say this is the wrong place to ask but as far as FACTS go.

There are more quests now then ever, the community is more mature now then ever and the combat actually requires some skill and interaction nowadays.

Go download the trial and try it out buddy, im positive youll like it.

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Best bet is to try the trial and judge for yourself. There are alot of angry and bitter players here as well as hardcore fans that would tell you it was the greatest thing on earth since slice bread.

The only thing I will disagree on wholeheartedly is the  community is DEFINITELY NOT more mature than it ever was. SWG was redesigned to the current NGE to bring in a younger age group and that is what the most certainly got.

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At worst it's about the same as it ever has been.

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Originally posted by pirrg

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Originally posted by pearljam668

Im long time star wars fan, since i was about 6, and i was just wondering if this game is worth playing, please tell me things like community, quests, combat, ect, not just yes no plz

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99% of the posters on this board arent playing the game, so id say this is the wrong place to ask but as far as FACTS go.

There are more quests now then ever, the community is more mature now then ever and the combat actually requires some skill and interaction nowadays.

Go download the trial and try it out buddy, im positive youll like it.

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Best bet is to try the trial and judge for yourself. There are alot of angry and bitter players here as well as hardcore fans that would tell you it was the greatest thing on earth since slice bread.

The only thing I will disagree on wholeheartedly is the  community is DEFINITELY NOT more mature than it ever was. SWG was redesigned to the current NGE to bring in a younger age group and that is what the most certainly got.

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Originally posted by Obraik

Looks like the publisher/developer conspiracy isn't going to work.  The site also lists LA as the Developer and Publisher for all the previous versions of SWG too...

Has to be something biggish though since it's $30.  Hell, lets throw in a rollback conspiracy just for good measure

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OH MY GOD! OBRAIK SAID ROLLBACK!! IT MUST BE TRUE!!!!

/runs out of the forum to post the finding on SWG

Honestly, it probably all of thegame and all exapnsions in one box....meh...a new box to sell the same crap (but you know some current subscribers will grab one because they will offer a "unique one-of-a-kind thing no one will have until the next Chapter or Expansion because we can't think of anything else" item)

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Originally posted by Obraik

I can somewhat agree with what I thought was the the overall point of the editorial: They should have made sure that the changes they were adding were stronger then what they were replacing and there should have been at least as much notice for it as there was with the CU.  I've never said I agreed with the way the NGE was introduced :)

As for how the game is now and what they've done to change their ways from then?  With Pub 29, the combat feels more like the CU, and if they happened to add in a target lock (not something I'm really wanting...) it would be pretty much the CU with slightly faster combat with condensed professions.  I think the condensing of the professions was something that had to be done.  Despite the potential, the dreams, etc people saw with the old skill tree system it just wasn't happening, the Devs couldn't keep up with the balancing of them all and taking into account all the possible combinations.  Yeah, many call it the easy way out but it's also the most logical way to get a balanced game within a year (something was unlikely to happen before)

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I think developers in MMO's, as a whole, spend way, way, way  too much time trying to "balance" the professions in their games. The need for grouping and social interaction diminishes if every professions is exactly like the other in skill/damage output/healing/etc. Never really made sense to me. Why should every profession have the ability to take on the other? Give each profession a unique set of abilities that cannot be performed by other professions and a set of skill point/skill tree whatever to let the player fine tune their character to what they want. I should have to rely on other players in other professions to help me with missions/quests/tasks. If I am injured, I should need a medic/doc to heal me, if I need a damage dealer I should look for a commando, etc. Medics should have their asses handed to them if they go toe to toe with a Commando. Commando should lose to a Jedi if they want to fight melee. No one shoulld be able to self heal, give that to the medics. Give each profession a set of strengths but also a set of weaknesses to boot and have the folks form teams/groups guilds around that.

I remember in the beginning of SWG when hunting groups were forming, folks would look for specific profession to join in:

- Medic's/Doc's for healing during and after the battle
- Scouts/Rangers to track, hunt and harvest creatures, set camps up to allow the doc to work, etc.
- Entertainers to heal battle fatigue
- Creature Handlers to bring along pets to help fight and train new pet/mounts

The  professions of Carbineer, Pistoleer, Rifelman, brawler, pikeman, Swordsman, BioEngineer should have been set as skill tree's you could specialze your character in, not full out professions. Maybe this is what they are trying to do now wiith the NGE....but I don't think a drastic change like the NGE was necessary to do it though.

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Originally posted by LilT

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Originally posted by Squidi

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Originally posted by BaronJuJu

I disagree....its still very relevant that the MMO community outside of SWG can still look at it today and comment how big of a mess up it is/was. This shows they (SOE)  have made zero progress to accomplish any of their goals for the revamp and yet still continue to plow along like a lemming to a cliff.

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You think that this site could write a proNGE editorial and not have every single one of you assholes attack them? They are a bunch of pussies more interested in pandering to the petty desires of a bunch of bullies than to do any actual research and contemporary editorials on the subject.

1) it was an editorial meaning it wasnt a member of mmorpg.com who wrote it. it was not meant to be a review of the current game, it was a review of the changes and why it was a horrible business decision to alienate your subscribers. And really, i wish i could get the chance to report one of your posts before someone else has, that would make my day, but im always too slow. The amount of hypocracy you spew is unreal and the fact that you are still allowed to post disproves your theory of the mmorpg.com staff bowing to the wishes of us bullies.

 I want an article about the current state of SWG at right this very fucking second by someone who actively plays the game.

2) Do what this guy did and write your own editorial. If you can manage to not call anyone a genital, im sure the staff here would post it if well written.

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Sorry LilT, he is yours from now on. I forgot to follow my own advice with folks like him.

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Originally posted by Squidi

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Originally posted by BaronJuJu

I disagree....its still very relevant that the MMO community outside of SWG can still look at it today and comment how big of a mess up it is/was. This shows they (SOE)  have made zero progress to accomplish any of their goals for the revamp and yet still continue to plow along like a lemming to a cliff.

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What are you talking about? When was the last editorial you saw by someone who actually currently plays the game? The MMO community has got its SOE hate down perfectly. But that's ALL it has.

So let me get you right. Everyone who thinks SWG is bad and writes about it doesn't play and is a SOE hater? Man, that is pretty narrow minded. I play SWG, have since Aug '03 and I hate the NGE. Don't believe me? Look me up on the Bloodfin server, names Daxuk.

There is nobody writing about the current state of the game, so the ONLY information you have comes from one or two people in the forums willing to discuss it, only to be attacked repeated for the honor.

Again, narrow minded BS talking here. How do you know the poster doesn't play?

How do you even know how much progress SOE has made towards their goals? You don't because I say they have, you say they haven't, and that's where it stalemates. Period. Every time.

This doesn't make sense at all. Tell me what they have accomplished that they set out to do when they released the NGE.

You think that this site could write a proNGE editorial and not have every single one of you assholes attack them? They are a bunch of pussies more interested in pandering to the petty desires of a bunch of bullies than to do any actual research and contemporary editorials on the subject.

Wow, if you hate this site so much why continue to post?  PCGamer, CGW and a multitude of other gaming sites have written editorials rating the NGE as poor. I am sure if you asked  numerous folks on here would be more than willing to send all of the links to the bad reviews of the NGE. What I would like to see is one where they gave it a good rating.

I want an article about the current state of SWG at right this very fucking second by someone who actively plays the game.

Then find an unbiased person that plays it to write one and post it. This would immediately eliminate you since you have raging bias to anyone who does not like the NGE and I could be elminated as well since I don't care for it.

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Originally posted by Squidi

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Originally posted by auntisocial

SWG Editorial on MMORPG.com

I wish it had been written several months ago. 

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So do I. Then it would've been somewhat relevant.

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I find it funny that this thread got locked, but others in the Game Play Discussion advertising off site websites and Pod casts that star SWG Senators which inflame the community is still thriving with 5 pages and counting.....even though there is no discussion of gameplay on it at all.

Fair and Balanced I tell ya!