haahh yeah i did the CGM subscription myself, thinking i was a shoe in for the beta. its all BS. i called them back and said I want my money back id like to cancel. now i gotta wait 8 weeks for my $30 back. lol ill never read them again. low  and dirty tactics. im better off just waiting as I did in the forums for getting into the beta.

next time ill make sure to read more thoroughly as their FAQ was a bit vague. well im kinda over the whole VSOH thing anyway, may not even bother playing it. so not really stressing it, only thing im stressing is waiting 8 frigging weeks for my money back from the publisher.

im really interested in this MMO keeping an eyeball on this one.

completely tired of the whole elves, paladin, ranger, medieval BS with mmo's we need a really good sci fi fantasy MMO.

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Originally posted by caine6621

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Originally posted by Sicarim
I left SWG because of these very reasons.


I LIKED being uncle Owen instead of Luke Skywalker.

it added more depth for me, i was creating my OWN star wars character in the star wars universe. I miss it greatly.

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AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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amen I second that. I Loved being "uncle owen" I liked having my own adventure, making my own mark in the world, creating a reputation among the players. I played as a Bounty hunter and I had massive fun I might add, til they dumb down and narrowed the amount of skill sets to some generic crap that has no real relevance or difference from other skills.  I liked being a pistol expert with melee Tera kasi Skills set for beating the crap out of some unexpecting jedi. and force him to make a decision pay the bounty for me to spare him or lose 200,000 xp, all the while Im roleplaying lol. oh man the memories.

amen I second that. I Loved being "uncle owen" I liked having my own adventure, making my own mark in the world, creating a reputation among the players. I played as a Bounty hunter and I had massive fun I might add, til they dumb down and narrowed the amount of skill sets to some generic crap that has no real relevance or difference from other skills.  I liked being a pistol expert with melee Tera kasi Skills set for beating the crap out of some unexpecting jedi. and force him to make a decision pay the bounty for me to spare him or lose 200,000 xp, all the while Im roleplaying lol. oh man the memories.

I loved being who I was, having fun among other players who right beside me I would fight beside, then the next day I take a bounty on and Deathblow them for 100,000 credits and throw a macro'ed phrase I worked hard so I could have fun roleplaying, and I might add I recieved quite acclaim as being one of the few Bounty hunters of soloing, never ganking, win or lose. Now its like there no real depth, no intrigue to what this game once had.

 It saddens me because I adore Star Wars universe, like alot of you I find myself coming back ; mind you not because of the Game itself, but because I love Star wars, and always have this inkling of hope that we will have; maybe just maybe a fraction of what we had back then in 2004, and In SWG i loved the community, the comradery, the kinship I had playing with in SWG with people who like me loved being that unnamed individual who came from no where and is known by so many people, and has connections, and friends...damn its down right depressing.

Ill admit this much, despite all the bugs, despite all the hooplah that has transpired, I never had such an emotional connection with a community as I had with SWG, with players who shared the same passion, same happiness I did,that is what Defines SWG from all other MMO's I played before and in the future, there something etheral, deeply connecting when star wars fans come together in a game to play out their lvirtual lives as a Character whether it be a entertainer, bounty hunter, commando, Droid engineer, or a Medic, or the wonderful, sadly missed creature handler. I dont think any Genre can boast such a claim.

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Originally posted by reavo

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Originally posted by Xenduli

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MMORPG.com: Along with these changes can we expect to see any other game play options for players in the near future?

Turbine: Of course! We are dedicated to making DDO the best possible game we can. Our follow up to the Twilight Forge will be released in the fall. It will contain the biggest additions to DDO yet: PvP, rank & level cap increase and a new feature we haven’t disclosed yet!

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It must be really frustrating for Turbine and D&D fans, I mean how can anyone say that World of Warcraft isn't having an influence on other games. Not just in terms of subscriber figures, but what players are demanding now. I think that Turbine have already produced a game that just isn't instantly recognised as a D&D game, they are stepping further away by adding PvP. I'm equally surprised about the lack of comments this news item has received.

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If the WoW effect has you frustrated now, just wait.  I don't think it's going to get any better.  Now investors are going to wonder why games aren't reaching the WoW level of subscribers.  And so it's just going to be one game after another trying to compete with those numbers.  Instead of trying to make good new games the marketing is going to be the biggest priority.

I feel my hobby just taken turn for the worse.  And it sucks too, because the only thing left to do is go retro.  There's nothing fun to look forward to anymore.  But even the older games are changing now in ways that are looking more and more World of Warcraft-y. 

I feel like a relic from an empire of fun and innovation. 

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If the WoW effect has you frustrated now, just wait.  I don't think it's going to get any better.  Now investors are going to wonder why games aren't reaching the WoW level of subscribers.

Why? because they arent innovating, not progressing, not being creative, rather than make a cookie cutter recipe out of WOW, they need to take their own ideas, their own concepts, and work with it. Like i said

THERE ARE TOO MANY FOLLOWERS AND NOT ENOUGH LEADERS.  no company is being a leader and taking a MMO genre and givng it a breath of fresh air, they merely "WOW'izing" their MMO. blatant copycat. I can personally care less about this game, this game the way it is, shouldnt even have a $15 a month price tag, because it mimics too similar to Guild Wars in the instanced linear area, and dungeons, pre scripted AI, and completely boring areas, they create a few things like VIOP.

They keeep more or less to the D&D rules set,  but they have little content,buggy laggy city,but other than that they are losing focus more than they ever have I canceled within a week, nothing to really say positive about this game. as far as im concerned its a joke, and not worth taking seriously. but hey, if your into it, i wont judge.

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Originally posted by DrSmaSh

Nice editorial. It's sad what they did to that great game... I never had so much fun in vide game then when I started SWG. It was massive game. If they would only be fixing buys and adding new (bug free) contat... I would be playing this game for 3 more years or atleast till SWG2 would hit us.

Shame. Was a good game.

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I think one sentence sums up what we all feel when it comes to MMO's

THERE ARE TOO MANY FOLLOWERS, AND NOT ENOUGH LEADERS!!

explanation?? this would be rather than progress , and revolutionize, and innovate, Companies take the same cookie cutter recipe from award winning innovative MMO's and splice, and clone, or alter it to be similar but not exactly as spectaculer as the latter.

 Needless to say I think its safe to say we are being MMO'd to death. There are wayyyyy too many MMO's coming out that sholdnt even be out, too many companies hoping to cash in a market to get a piece of the pie. And You can be right to assume they are smart to do so, but, i repeat, but only if they innovate, progress and revolutinize the current market/genre they are attempting to dive into.

A short list of the all the pretenders, agree or disagree up to you.

AC2, E&B, SWG(after it turned NGE and kicked all the vets to the curb), DnL, AO (absolutely inexcusable revolting launch) DDO (slowly festering into the black hole of MMO oblivion never to be seen again, i give it 6 months a year maybe good riddance, go PLAY GUILD WARS and save $15 a month)

any a really missed?? Im tired its 830 am i just came off work hehe so

fill in any that pretends but cant reallly contend!

Umbrood your correct in those points. very well put, These companies should seriiously take heed to the fragile existance that a MMO holds when a Company forgoes its most important customers, VETS.

DDO ?? aww man dont even get me started. that POS shouldnt even have a monthly fee. All they offer I can get and more with Guild Wars with no monthly Fee. I foree it dropping off the map in a matter of months. Its one of the few instances where these Companies have such arrogant clout to assume they know what we want and need.

This 'silent majority" never materializes, and the Rest of the Players "veterans" who put countless hours into a game into a agame that they once loved, go up in smoke to be pushed to the side for a "subcriber base" doesnt even exist. It boggles the mind the Logic they presume to follow.

All i got to say it god bless kevin! Words could not be truer. You are a man of exacting emotion evoking words. All he just said, i dont think anyone could of really said in fewer words with such clarity, conciseness, and straight to the jugular in your face direct. <CLAPS>

look at ya post bub, its that very mentality you are portraying which is giving them a reason to prevent you from viewing such material. I understand it sucks being "underage" but they do it for a reason, some are a bit more extreme than others, but some are rightfully placed to protect both you and society.

The way your view is written is like "wahhhh I can't get what I want so Im gonna pitch a bitch like a little wah wah baby" your fueling the fire with your infantile rant that screams gimme gimme gimme now now now i dont wanna wait til my pubes grow.

 Like i said it sucks being underage we all went through it, and just like us you do too. Some of these games are a bit violent that although I dont have a kid I wouldnt allow him to view or play some of them at 16 or 17 despite his protest, the protesting alone sets in motions he isnt mature enough to view it, if hes gonna bitch.

and I agree with the second post, alot of murders, shooting, stabbings and rapes are by "underage" teenagers that are both rebellious, unstable and have no proper upbringing, which I state also is the parents are equally at fault for not giving them some structure and discipline. Kids are gonna be kids, and they gonna be rebel and feel they are ready especially if an adult says they arent.

All apart about transforming from a kid to an adult you gotta earn ya stripes bub like the rest of us.

but yeah Ill agree this new law is a bit draconian

id have to rate this game at least a D+/C- range as a potential grade

graphics are a B+ good but not extraordinary, plus kinda bogs down anything not running latest system. I can forgive that since its rather new.

the VIOP feature is a nice touch i give that a A for inventiveness.

BUt the instanced, this is where we get tangled and gnarly. THis game is similar in structure and game play to GuildWars, too similar in fact to justify playing $14.99 for a completly instanced closed  game. I played this game for the fact I am a major DDO fan been so since i was 8. but this whole instanced thing where you are forced to play along a 6 man group is ridiculous.

I cant tell you how many times i went into the taverns and ask for a group or did high lvl ROGUE LFG most poeople just stand around, or are running around town doing nothing. I can sit there for over an hour or more trying to form a group. I give DDO a major D- on this.

 I cant even call this a MMO in he traditional Sense, i figure if i wanna do instanced dungeons and areas, id play GUild Wars for god sake.I am very upset that Turbine would charge their customers such a traditional MMO pricing for a Un'MMO like game. I canceled within a week by that time i was alrady lvl 4 rank 4 lol i was gonna level out end game in a matter of a week to 2 weeks after taht. ill never buy or play this game again. it has truly failed.

$60 down the drain for me.

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Originally posted by LickyDickyoo
These EMU are a waste of time

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Originally posted by Nikoz78

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Originally posted by LickyDickyoo

You know I still enjoy playing SWG but this Emulator is like porn its fake its not real it looks good, but hey it really dont satisfy you, but your girlfriend or your wife is like SWG and SOE, the same old f*** everyday, but yet it still has a little more substance to it then something fake, and give you a little bit of satisfaction. But in truth the real thing to do is wait for Huxley or Rasa, those should be more like the Hooters girl you get drunk and take back to her place for some wild fun lovin a** f******, now that boys and girls is satisfying game play.

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You are a little twerp.

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Originally posted by nakuma

Turbine dropped asheron call 2 didnt they??  Hell i even finally got into WOW, anything developer at this point deserves my money.

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You arn't seriously compairing Asheron Call II  to Star Wars  are you? Lucasfilm has made, to date, 11 BILLION dollars on the merchandise alone. Please. Classic SWG had something like 700,000 paid subscriptions at it's height. You want to talk "numbers?" Ok, whats $14.99 x 700,000 (or even way less if you like) every 30 days?That was a very healthy number, only they thought a huge name like "Star Wars" should be bringing in 10 times that amount. Brad from Vanguard: Saga Of Heroes  said at one point he would be happy if his game reaches 500,000 subs. They will try to recapture that profit with classic servers, and you are probably gonna eat you're words (like a lot of people around here). No one knows 100% for sure, but it's logical.

And WOW?!  "Trendy crap" is perhaps the nicest thing I can say about that game. How old are you?

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seems someone needs to take a moment and learn to use their big person vioce, and stop being abrupt and infantile. I was merely pointing out that AC2 got trashed by Turbine due to the disinterest of its game model that TUrbine didnt expect to flop so badly, this is slowly turning out with SWG little by little the population and subscriber base is slowly dwindling. 

You can be correct to assume 1 of 2 things, 1 being a more realistic route SOE drops SWG due to public disinterest and drop the game due to finanicial drop not covering development cost (AC2), or less likely but more surprisingly approach would be reintroduction of classic servers that go back to the PRE CU combat and leveling system. stranger things have happened. but given SOE's history its a safe bet to assume the worst.

 oh and yes, it is true that LA made a substantial amount money off SW franchise, but the SWG MMO population?? 700,000? sorry not likely 500,000-600,000 maybe on average maybe + or - 20,000 here 30,000 there. Living in the dream of classic server is both unrealistic and immature on your part but you are correct that SOE will probably attempt to cash on players hope with the introduction of CLassic servers, and funnel money in with no promise of fixes, added content, quests, etc. Rememeber they invested alot into NGE as of now so they are running with it Smedley, Torres, TH, tiggy all them have stated that PRE CU is not going to happen, deal with the short term pain as they put.

Now is there a remote possibility of classic servers?? who knows, stranger things have happened. But do realize this is SOE we are talking about remember SOEs has its own agenda, and your not in it.

And as far as WOW being trendy crap, people who suggest WOW is trendy crap are the ones who dont take the time to get far enough into the game to truly appreciate both its game style, and art style.I was a bit pessimistic about the game, but I grew to like it, cause the indepth gameplay, crapload of story arc'ed quests and mini quests, and the PVP is pretty damn solid.but hey,to each its own, you have your own likes and dislikes as we all do, dont crap on another mans parade.

if your form an opinion, please remember to  base your opinion on facts. and to answer How old am i?? does it matter??? question is, based on your response, how old are you??