well given I think I am finally burnt out with WOW until catacalysm comes out, I am looking for something to satisfy my sweettooth for MMO's.

I have played several MMO's wow has got pretty repetitive and boring and now its just a grind for bigger and better gear for the next raid (ICC10/25) after that there is nothing much to do until cat comes out.

So far I have played eq2,and lotro both I left due to low population n the server i was with. SWG (well we can pretty much figure out where i stand with that.)

lineage 2 (overrun economy, and low pop),aion mediocre, Startrek online(cant even call this a true MMO as far as I am concerned) EVE Tech 2 in a few parts, but its horrendously slow pace and boring at times.

I tried darkfall trial, but didnt catch my fancy as the UI is absolutely horrendous but wasnt as bad as I thought it would be..

 also tried AOC but cant stand that game anymore.

I was thinking possibly Fallen earth, but during the beta, i only got to lvl 16 or so and the constant craftng was annoying as well as performance issues. has this changed?

any similar MMO's that you can suggest?? I dont know what is coming out, or maybe I should just wait for Earthrise or FFXIV to come out perhaps?? Id like some possible suggestions with links so I can perhaps look them up or if your playing them give me anidea on population statistics, changes, history of improvements if any etc. thanx.

Originally posted by Bagguns

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

Originally posted by Bagguns

Originally posted by Toquio3

Originally posted by Bagguns

I don't see what the big problem with this is.  If any of you have ever played an mmo before, like 99% of the time you have to subscribe for at least a month in order to activate your account, whether you preordered it or not.

Making any game is a big and expensive undertaking, so I would say the first thing a company would do is get all the legal stuff worked out.  I am sure at some point the people that preordered agreed to this whether they knew it or not (and when I say 'whether they knew it or not' I mean they didn't read the fine print not that they were conned).  Despite how SV has handled the development of this game, I find it hard to believe that they would do anything illegal.

This just sounds like a bunch of whiners bitching about how they don't like the game they bought and now they are trying to blame the company because the game didn't turn out the way the hoped.

I dont think this is true. I bought a few mmos and the only thing I had to setup was an account to log on the game's free month. The game never had me accept a subscription, and never set one up for me without me knowing. wow, lotro, eve, etc. None of them do that. Now, I didnt buy MO, so I wouldnt know how the account creation is done, but I never played a mmo that did this auto renew on purchase thing.

OK, despite whether or not orther mmos do this is beside the point.  The point is that you are accusing a company of doing something illegal just because they go about the process of handling subscriptions differently.  At some point I'm sure these people agreed to this, just because they don't remember or they didn't take the time to read the fine print doesn't change the fact that they agreed to it.

NOBODY WHO PREORDERED AGREED TO IT.

 

Please get that through your head, even the MO forums echo this point and that's the whole reason I even brought it up. A lot of people started to set their subscriptions to not auto-renew as a result of my post and for that I'm very happy as it saves some people getting hit automatically with a charge they never agreed to.

 

I did not preorder this game, so I do not have any experience with this issue.  I am not a lawyer nor do I know anything about the laws concerning an issue such as this.  I'm sure everyone posting on this forum is in the same situation as me when it comes to the legal part.  Though I do know, in the US at least, that you are innocent until proven guilty.  So far I haven't seen or heard of any proof that would suggest SV is doing anything illegal, other than a few angry posters.

I say that nothing will come of this, no legal actions anyway.  If something does come of it, then i will be one surprised person.

Anyways, what is the point in preordering the game if you have no intentions of subscrbing? Unless you want to admit that you payed to play a beta that is.

I personally think that it is ok for SV to do this.  I think that it is logical to assume that if someone cares about a game enough to preorder it over half a year in advance will want to subscribe to it, but that's just my opinion.

 the company still has an obligation to notify all account users of the change to the payment method if any, such as in this case they finally included a subscription method. (despite the fact the stupid game still isnt even finished, yet people are already getting charged) there wasnt a subscription method prior to this where people could set it to not renew, so therefore SV was negligent in this fact.

Originally posted by Joker2240

Lets get one false statement put to rest here guys. Yes it is true that you have to agree with a auto-renew feature however there is a way that makes it so you do not have to do that by selecting the option. A company can auto renew you IF they tell you that you when you are putting in your information that you will be billed after your time is up. So you are agreeing by giving your CC info to the company. 

 what you fail to realize or read dude, people are saying it wasnt originally avialable, it was put in later. so how can a person opt out if they have no option to do so? come on tell me if you know. if not then move on, its illegal to hve no opt out feature then put in later and then charge a person for the payment. it is in fact illegal, or they hvae to give you an announcement that you will be charged with this new feature that has been enabled.

Originally posted by reijan

Originally posted by Bagguns

Originally posted by Toquio3

Originally posted by Bagguns

I don't see what the big problem with this is.  If any of you have ever played an mmo before, like 99% of the time you have to subscribe for at least a month in order to activate your account, whether you preordered it or not.

Making any game is a big and expensive undertaking, so I would say the first thing a company would do is get all the legal stuff worked out.  I am sure at some point the people that preordered agreed to this whether they knew it or not (and when I say 'whether they knew it or not' I mean they didn't read the fine print not that they were conned).  Despite how SV has handled the development of this game, I find it hard to believe that they would do anything illegal.

This just sounds like a bunch of whiners bitching about how they don't like the game they bought and now they are trying to blame the company because the game didn't turn out the way the hoped.

I dont think this is true. I bought a few mmos and the only thing I had to setup was an account to log on the game's free month. The game never had me accept a subscription, and never set one up for me without me knowing. wow, lotro, eve, etc. None of them do that. Now, I didnt buy MO, so I wouldnt know how the account creation is done, but I never played a mmo that did this auto renew on purchase thing.

OK, despite whether or not orther mmos do this is beside the point.  The point is that you are accusing a company of doing something illegal just because they go about the process of handling subscriptions differently.  At some point I'm sure these people agreed to this, just because they don't remember or they didn't take the time to read the fine print doesn't change the fact that they agreed to it.

"Different" business method? Check the laws. Their "method" is borderline illegal. If you don't believe me, check yourself. Those people bought the box, not a subscription. They haven't agreed to be charged for any subscription yet.

  no your right, it is technically illegal to have no way for the consumer to "opt" out of payment if the product does not suit their needs. In this instance SV had set up a preorder which of course is normal with most game companies today. However unlike most game companies they were idiotic enough not to include an opt out for subscription, so by all regards the consumer was under the direct assumption they were only purchasing the content game itself, not a subscription. SV later included a subscription method and page attached to each account regardless of the account holders current standing with the game. This is what automatically put their CC# that was attached to their Account into effective payment by default by SV. WHich is illegal because SV has a standing obligation to notify all account holders who purchased the preorder game that their account has been set to autorenew and they should set it to no renew if they wish not to be charged a subscription fee. This very omission makes them financially accountable to refunding all accountholders who felt they were wrongly charged payment via the CC# info. this very act nullifies any contractual obligation by the consumer to offer payment if the company or corporate entity does not have available features or means to allow the consumer to opt out of payment.

This can very well turn into a class action lawsuit if enough people got together.

that is some fucked up grimy shit from SV. which is why I will never buy this game. bunch of fucking shady amatuers. Either they know what they are doing and are purposely doing this, or are so stupid that they didnt realize oh maybe we should send an email to everyone who purchased the game about the game being autorenewed by a certain date and check their account and change the autorenew. But my question is why use a person's CC# for a purchase of theg ame when they never inputted the info into the subscription page that was never there. thats criminally negligent they are essentially using your credit card info without your explicit consent. You cant do that as a business, when you have no features avialable for a consumer to "opt" out of the subscription that was never there. AS I said, SV is a bunch of amatuers the BS that has been going on keeps getting  bigger and worse lol. it would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.

But my take is, if your retarded enough to buy a game that isnt finished, then your retarded  enough to get beat in the head financially when shit hits the fan. thus here we are in the present form.....people getting charged for subscriptions they never subscribed to lol....why? because it was never there in the first place when they purchased this half finished game. lol such awesome fail.

Being an artist, its not so much the "graphics" that are important but rather the art direction. to me the gameplay seems somewhat interesting, though a bit contrived in certain aspects. but the art direction is absolutely horrible. character models looks odd and amatuerish, the environmental design is crude, meshes are very low poly in some places while higher in others where they dont need to be. Texture art are fine in some places while crap in others. there is a certain level of inconsistency with the art work and meshes. i find the art direction as a whole a bit uninspiring and boring. good gameplay or not, I think we have come to a point where you can have creative art direction and stylization and still have good gameplay. it all depends on the skills and creativity of the development team doing the game.

this made me laugh. awesome lol.well done.

Originally posted by DracheSC

What a load of crap! Sandboxes will not perish when SV's crap game fails hardcore (which it will).

Anybody ever heard of Darkfall? It's a total sandbox, and guess what? It's pretty darned good, too. Kicks the crap out of MO.

I totally agree, SV is not the end all be all of Sandbox games lol.Darkfall despite not being crazy about it, isnt bad, and its doing pretty good from what i experienced on my trial. i tried MO in its current state and its total crap, I would barely consider it an ALpha state.

Also there is a cyberpunk MMO coming out from a start up in the next 2 years roughly, that is skill based, and sandboxy and you have alot of freedom. henrik seems arrogant, like they are they end all be all of sand box pvp games, please dude stop smoking dat shit lol. If the game is sellable from a gameplay standpoint, is solidly supported as well as properly managed and developed by the developers any real publisher worth their guff will support and finance it freely knowing there will be a considerable profit margin to be made.

But i equally agree from the community there has been alot of crap pumped out trying to replicate WOW's success, its not gonna happen. Focus on something else, do it well, and people will flock to it and pull out their wallets if it is done well, and it fits their interests. old tride and true method =" SUPPLY VS DEMAND" SIMPLE ECONOMICS PEOPLE lol.

yeah graphics are pretty decent.

i dont really consider Farmville killing gaming. its merely a social game, a time waster, some people obviously spend money on it, but most dont. I dont play farmville and I probably never will. I just think I consider it a killer of gaming, as it doesnt directly compete with traditional games.

but I also think its a good thing that these 'games" are here as they introduce non gamers to the joy of gaming, whether it be a social game, a psuedo-RPGesque game. It gives a person who would not necessarily be interested in gaming in general a reason to be curious and venture further into perhaps console gaming such as buying a PS3, wii, or xbox360 or even getting PC games. I think they are in some respect are a benefit to the industry as a whole.

yet another asian grinder renamed and pumped out to the western masses. yay....<end sarcasm>

i dont do lifelong subs, between the hype and constant changes developers make its not even worth it. besides I never liked a game that much that Id be willing to pay $200+ for lol, I got better stuff to do with my money than to spend $200+ on a game.

nothing says PSU FAIL like the smell of "magic smoke" coming out from a PC's back case lol. I had that happen to me with my 1k watt BFG PSU.

given the nature of asian based MMO's can pretty be garaunteed a crapton of grinding on mobs no real questing content.

Originally posted by championsFan

Yeah, overdraft fees are the worse case scenario with these kind of monthly fee errors.  I suggest to the OP and everyone to completely disable overdraft "protection" with their bank.   That way when Cryptic or whoever falsely charges you, they are simply told "cannot complete transaction, player has no money."   This makes your bank extremely sad, but anyone who is unable to keep a savings balance should really disable overdrafting.

did the same thing after i got charged around $70 for 2 seperate transaction for total of $18. one of them being a half a gallon of milk. So that turned out to be the most expensive gallon of milk in history lol.

i tried darkfall, and while it wasnt as horrible as I thought it was I wasnt crazy about it, but that could be im burned out by MMO's .It doesnt deserve the flak its gettng in the community.

but its not for me. the crafting was interesting and slightly complex so found it fun to harvest nodes, and make chainmail armor. but the grinding continously on only goblins got a bit boring after a while with very little to do quest wise. the interface wasnt absolutely horrible but it asnt fun and took a while to get used to. I absolutely hate the fact you have to individually place all items into your inventory. then proceed to individually place them out if you want to sell those items you looted. I looted quite a bit to make enough gold to buy skills for armorsmithing, and found it often monotous to have to select every item seperately, they definitely have to change that.

Game engine is pretty decent, the draw distance is pretty horrible and is "greyed" out. but the lighting is pretty decent, and shadowing nicely done along with post processing effects it looks nice. I also had some decent performance with fps ranging from 40-100 fps, depending on where I was but also dipped to ~20 fps sometimes. Armor on the characters look horrible, but could be I was very low level and just past starter gear, so Im sure the stronger gear looks better, and has better model seperation. Sound is pretty decent, but the music is very minimal and almost non existent.

AI isnt horrible but find it different in the fact that if Im fighting a goblin shaman itll intially attack me from a distance, ill move into melee range, and when it takes a few hits it starts running often into other mobs. now its not a bad  behavior just unexpected, and different than most MMO mobs in how they act. I like the way archery is done in which it comes down your skills of shooting, knowing distance, drop, and anticaption of movement of a player and mob.(its harder than it looks but often rewarding when you down a mob with arrows) its evident mobs and ur character takes more dmg from the back, so running is definitely last resort (only with health pots if u have them lol and have stamina to spare....trust me i know this first hand)

I think in the end the "grind" gets on my nerves more than anything, i found it very slow and plodding and often boring to just "grind" goblins in a certain area, rise in my armor mitigation, skills in swords, polearms etc then move to a new area further away with slightly tougher mobs. the 20 hour protection you recieve is good, which enables you to get the necessary jump on skills you definitely need in order to start competing in pvp when it starts coming. This allows the player to learn the game, the UI(trust me you need some time learning this UI lol), laern  how skills increase, e.g. armor for melee, archery, magic, weapons skills, the list goes on.

In the end I thinnk my patience to "grind" to the necessary "skill level" to compete in PVP is a bit short right now. Now this is by no means saying darkfall is a bad game, in fact i was delightfully surprised on how much fun i actually had.  I found I never really had the typical sensation of "plodding boredem" when playing the game which I often get if the game really bores the crap out of me. I think the practice of pressing R, then F to open the loot of the mob, then individually grab each item into your bag gets a bit stressful especially when there are times when mobs run into you and start attacking you mid loot.

The openworld is definitely good, I love an open world so this definitely struck a chord with me as I hate heavily zoned games that are so prevelant now.I also was surpised by the community and how welcoming they were, I immediately received assistance on information on what to do from multiple people, though as couple days progressed, and i moved from sandybrook up north to henna where orcs mobs were I was introduced by some of the darker side of the community, but not necessarily in a abad way, lot of it was a few people talkng smack about the game, or bringing up irrevelant topics that got under people's skin. So the community definitely gets a thumbs up.

Also i was amazed to see 2 people playing where i got killed by a goblin (this was the part I was mentioning about making sure not to drun if u have no stamina, and no health pots) I went back as fast as I could to get back to my tombstone, 2 players had already started looting it, and rather than run off with my stuff, they traded me my stuff back without me having to ask. (though a few people stated it could be it wasnt worth really antyhing lol) but nonethless its the thought and act that counts. So another Thumbs up.

Now a big question you might be asking, and i must ask myself. Will I go back and actually buy the game? Possibly. Right now im a bit burned out on MMO's So i think its better to take a slight vacation from MMO's play a few games a few multiplayers ( playing bad company 2 now and loving it) This way I can come to the game I want to play with a fresh attitude.

Conclusion, Darkfall is getting too much bad press for all the wrong reasons,I can definitely admit when I am wrong. The game has some serious depth to it, but it does come down to you how much depth the game eventually has. the crafting is done really well , as i loved mining nodes, and making my own armor and weapons. im a pure craft junkie hehe, i had a lvl 90 droid engineer on SWG and made some of the best combat droids on naritus server heheh by meticulously surveying resources.

Im sure the PVP is awesome, and I hope to one day experience that, for now I gonna take a break from MMO's in general, so when I play it  I can come with a clean perspective.

Darkfall is definitely worth a second look. Ill be putting it on my to buy list.

i think post processing was on, but vsync was off. there was times when it dipped to around 20's here and there, but otehrwise had some pretty decent performance.

 game, was bit interesting, bit grindy, but not a horrible grind than any other MMO. i guess thats to up your skills for later pvp. but not horrible as I assumed it would be. looks pretty decent at maxxed settings, and i was gettin anywhere between 40-100 fps dependingon what was being drawn. gobbie shamans are a pain as they like to hit and run. As well as the gobbies having insane aggro ranges lol, im assuming its Line of sight detection based on their orietnation to you and your distance to them. not the typical radial aggro that most MMO's go with. it also seems that they miss just as much as you do if you move suddenly from the spell ball or arrow coming at you.

 no real questing as i saw besides the ones from the merchants and councilors and they involved basic gold and items such as starter gear and resourcing gathering gear. but ig uess thats to get you started gearwise.

Ill have to play a  bit further but its not as bad as a game as i thought it was, but im sure as I progress itll get better, but I am still on the fence on whether ill get it, so im gonna see where it goes as I progress.

One of the finer points was the community in chat, very helpful, very welcoming, thought warned me to be paranoid, and I have yet to see the darker side of the community as of yet. So at least iknow what to expect. so not bad so far I wasnt getting that boring bleh feeling i sometimes get with some MMO's I start into so thats a good sign.

Originally posted by jeah0000

Originally posted by nakuma

downloaded the game, paid the dollar, only for the server to time out on me. lol so far not good.

 

LOL COMPLAININ ABOUT A DOLLAR WHEN YOU THREW AWAY 400$ ON THAT GRAPHICS CARD

L2CROSSFIRE

how about you Learn to not use caps when typing a post. Secondly I cant crossfire I have a Nforce motherboard, its tri-sli enabled. I wont buy any ATi cards, id rather wait til march 26th when nvidia comes out with their 480 GTX's. And Im not ncessarily complaining, i came to find out there was some issue with the player log in server, not the servers themselves.

downloaded the game, paid the dollar, only for the server to time out on me. lol so far not good.