I was reading this article a guy wrote up on the gamespy convention out in Chicago and got the funniest visual I've had in a long time.

"What prevents high level players from rampaging through the low level open field RvR areas?
High rank players cannot enter low rank Scenarios. The system prevents that from happening. If they enter a lower teired Battlefield (open field), though, they instantly turn into a giant chicken and can't do anything except for run around and peck people for 1 point of damage."

I mean really!! Im gonna be the first to try and get a group of high lvl players  together just for the mear fact that any noobish player that gets ganked by a gang of rogue chickens is gonna quit!! And I'm gonna laugh!!!

Originally posted by Loupster

PvP is the next big thing in MMOs

Listen I do agree with most of what you say but that one line I had to disagree with. Should I bring up that UO about 12+years ago started as PVP only. They where doing ok but with the lack of competition and the want for a more friendly game they developed Tram for care bears. Not because people where crying for it because people loved the game as it was, but because they saw a market for it and knew they would make a killing. Some would say they ruined the game with the introduction of Trammel. Myself I lived and played and died and PK'd in Fel. And that did not mean I didn't go to Tram. It just means I liked that environment better. Tram was still the best place to set up market and sell stuff.(pretty much all it was good for IMO)

To the Op to say it will never work IS absolutely Wacko!! All these MMO's essentially evolved from purely PVP games(whether it be tabletop,pnp,or the very first mmo's) I think thats why so many people search for and troll forums is due to the fact that what used to inspire imagination and the creativity of the player to make the world a persistent one is no longer there. IMO the lack of the ability to chose what skills you use is a big downer. Classes killed MMo's IMO. But thats in another post.

I think that the main need in any MMO is something to fight over and thats where I'm thinking Mythic got it right cause they seem to have that implemented pretty well. But again we have seen hypeity hype and got jammed. I personally will be trying "WAR". I have played WOW and do think its a good game in general for the raider crowd but not for me. And I did max a toon before BC was out. The reason I started was cause I thought We would be able to rove around in huge gangs ganking City's and such.Even remember hearing a roomer about burning city's to the ground. When I got in the game and found out that this wasn't possible that right there killed about 60% of my enthusiasm for the game.

Ok nuff Ranting.Flame on!!

Personally I don't think NC is a great company as a whole, but they do have a few games that are pretty good that have already been mentioned a bunch of times so no point in repeating all of it. Personally I thought thats what an MMORPG was supposed to be was a long term thing. (but thats just my opinion) So that being said if you don't mind the long term thing all the other requirements you are looking for are in EvE. The thing you have to fist get used to is the skill training you can only train one per account not character. This in turn I guess is a type of time sync but I think it makes up for it more then just a little by being able to :

• Train any skill in the game. ( This is the most appealing thing about EvE to me)

• Lets you train  while you are offline.

As you can see I'm a Huge fan of freedom of choice when it comes to skills. The reason being is I find that is what kills all PVP in any MMORPG is the "Classes" To restrict someone to a set of skills is like chopping off half of the games possibility's. I know that last statement is harsh but I will use UO as a reference. I was involved in a battle of a total of something like 500 people (250vs250)one night and saw a group(small allied guild) of about 8 people come in to help the allied forces. They took out about 1/4 of the enemy forces due to good builds,teamwork,skill and a clam attitude in battle witch won us the fight.

The first thing in that group of reasons is what gets taken out in MMO's with classes. Someone who isn't a good healer and doesn't want to build a healing specific build can still toss out the critical heal here and there. This is what EvE brings to the table in a Massive scale. Weather it be support dps,tanking,sniping,covops,whatever. It has that ability to let you grow to fit your situation. Any-who enough ranting sorry if it was to much.

• Final note try the EvE trial and as soon as your done with the tutorial get into a player corp you  will learn faster and see more by doing that.
• Next try to watch as much of whats going on in space per conflicts and wars and so on you will see the politics.(essential part of any MMO)
• Lastly please please keep in mind that it does take a while to see some bigger content but remember it is there.And you will get there with time.
• Oh one more thing you will die!! and you will get looted you can bet your clone on it!

First of all I want to agree that the RPG is lacking.

Now in my opinion I would have to say it has a lot to do with the gear and items in games these days. I too am an OLD school MMO player and did as well play UO, EQ ,AC, and a few others but thats not really the point. I know this may sound crazy and may not be the case whatsoever but I did noticed a feeling of solidarity once the whole chat box apeared in MMO's. And for those to young to remember no not all games had chat windows. Expl.. Britan bank in UO had hundreds if not more people around sometimes at peak hours all selling items and the chat was all over the place when someone said something you knew it was that guy over there by the trash or that other one over by the dragons for sale Made me actually feel like I was in a market. Well in my opinion that created a market center per say and What a better way to buy something but to go to the market. (RP)

Another thing that most definatly has an effect on the RPG feel is GEAR. In more then just one way as well.

1. You get the god complex from people with Uberz loot.Dont worry "you"still suck even though your gear is neat.

2. You become absorbed in getting the right "gear" for a particular task.And once you get it you realize there are better items out there. that in essance is one of my biggest pet peeves in MMO's today. I want to enjoy the content not Torture myself trying to get the gear I need to enjoy content.( Thats when I stoped playing UO was when they really started messing with the gear mods.)

3. MY gear shoulden't define how good of a player I am. Put a 5 yr old in Tier 3 gear and duel him on a green item suit see who wins. ( not saying I've done this and lost or anything just describing the point)

In summery I just overall think the "player" is being removed from the game all together. For expl..  Addons!!!! WTF if you need addons to play the game and beat bosses your a damn BOZZO!!!  The game was developed to be played without so why in the hell would they allow that I don't know. (WoW) in case you didnt know who I was talking about. How about actually downing a boss through teamwork and not Macro mods. You might end up looking like for a while but it will be so much better when you do do it. not to mention the game will last longer in general.  I'm not going to sit here and say I havent used em But I will add that I only got them due to the fact that if I didnt I didnt get to see end game content so whats a guy to do I pay for the game yet have to cheat to see the good stuff. Fantastic freaking job on that one Blizz.

I haven't gotten the thrill I used to get from massive battles over harrowers on UO since Ive left UO but Im hoping a dev team out there knows what it will take to make a good MMO"RPG". I dont know if War is going to be the one but I like what I see so far. They seem to understand that if theres nothing to loose then the thrill wont be there so we will see. In the mean till I'll be hanging around the eve universe Blowing crap up and hopfully not getting BLOWED up.

Well first off This guys an idiot. Second the rest of his guild are morons too not one of them seems to have read the first line of the description of trademark. The first line clearly states.

"A trademark is a word, name, symbol or device which is used in trade with goods to indicate the source of the goods and to distinguish them from the goods of others."

So in essance he is saying that he and all of his guildies are basically goods,Meat,Chopped liver, Bananas,Penuts,Lard,or any other goods. Basically I like the meat variation seeing as they prolly got as much brains as a slab of.

Just my 2 ¢