All Posts by Hadesprime

it is the electronic age and with this generation of kids we have problems directly related to parents.

What problem ?

Parents of kids aged 1 to 15 atm only had kids because they were part of the generation that thought it was cool to have kids. When the finally had kids they realized it wasn't so cool and required hard work to raise them. So they sought out things like TV and video games to be their babysitters. Thats what most parents allow because its just easier to sit them in front of the TV or a video game than have to deal with the problems associated with raising kids. Now this isn't the case for all parents but it is for a lot of them. Have our electronics babysit them and then boot em out at 18.

SOE screwed up SWG because they wanted to and probably still do turn it into a console game. In case you haven't been keeping track the PS3 is not being recieved well due to its price point in comparison with the Xbox 360. So they need good quality titles for games to offset the inevitable price drop they will have to give in on the PS3's.

No doubt they anticipated the problems with the PS3's and were hoping they could come up with some direct console titles themselves.

1) Horizons
2) Dark and Light
3) Shadowbane
4) DDO
5) EQ2

there is my list from the absolute worst to just bad ;).

Which do not ??

DNL, Mourning etc... whatever incarnations they are in atm.

Horizons as well. Gets passed from one crooked develoiper to another. It perhaps examplifies the worst grinds you can get in an MMO. Not to mention the people that play it are just well dumb and enjoy being spoon fed BS from its developers.

EQ2 maybe... but everything works and it has ok content. But I like others question the overall point of the game. Its just EQ1 thrown in a blender and watered down. Its not really fun imo and has no direction.

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Originally posted by Ligner

There is only ONE thing I can say that I hate about WoW:
It made most of the developers to turn away from working on the improvement of the old concept and design similar clones of WoW believing that it IS successful gameplay system.

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Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo

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Originally posted by Tolkien
Face of Mankind and WoW don't suck you idiots. If it wasn't for WoW the MMO genre would of been dead.

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I have to disagree with your last statement, the MMORPG genre was doing fine before WoW came along...

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Originally posted by CleffyII

Come on guys lets be real.  Nearly all the mmo's listed are atleast playable aside from Deicide, Graal, Dark and Light, and Roma Victor.

This is a topic about listing the "worst" mmo, not one you just dislike.  I am seriously surprised that people consider Blade Mistress a far better game then EVE or WoW.

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Thats because the average dumb dumb can't read.

WoW has 7 million players , Eve has something like 150K plus. Those are hardsly faiilures for games and hardly the worst MMO's. You may not like WoW or EVe but each of those games is doing something right and the respective devs are making money off of the titles.

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Originally posted by isurus

wow was so bad that my standards went down. (re: RF online).  I'm currently playing ddo and its pvp system is better than wow's. 

edit: exactly

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I have tried a great many MMO's these are the ones that stood out as the worst

1) Horizons - great concept crappy implementation. Now owned by a developer that engages in more crooked activities then legit. Its a tribute to people that will pay for crap and take it. The playerbase is perpetually waiting for horizons to make it big. Seems people in that game play more of a waiting game than the actual game. I guess they like to not acknowledge the fact that Horizons features one of the worst if not the worst sieries of grinds an MMO'er will ever encounter.

2) Saga of Ryzom - I could never get the draw of this game. Its not anywhere near as good as the ratiing says it is on this site.  Why ?? I don't know really but it was just boriing and it was starting to become a serious grind before I decided to quit

3) Everquest 2 -- I wouldn't say the game is crap. But I'm hard pressed to find any real point to it. It seems to be EQ1 and WoW thrown into a blender and poured out as a new game. Or even really it can be called EQ1 lite. But now days most guilds recruit for raid content only. leaving much of nothing for the casual to get involved in. Its also more group centric than its supporters would like to admit

each game is what you make of it. Though the OP was using an inflamable way of saying things he wasn't to offbase.

Finding a guild in EQ2 has been a chore and perhaps the most difficult thing I have ever done in an MMO. They all want raid level characters. Seems to me that EQ2 is about raiding and raiding only. Its when you experience things like this you can't help but notice that EQ2 is just EQ1 thrown in a blender. Not sure what the purpose of EQ2 is. I mean its an ok game but why did SOE bother to make it ?? they sure didn't stray far from EQ1. They just added some of WoW's features is all.

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Originally posted by snickel
Yes, they have billing problems.

Yes, things are frozen right now and the future is uncertain.

But I still play it, like many others. And I like it a lot. None of the games that are due to be released has all the features that I like in this game, namely (flying) dragons, true multicrafting, and the chance to buy a plot and build all the structures on that plot. Not to mention a very good and helpful community.

Horizons has been pronounced dead so often before and has outlived many of the flashy newcomers.

Its not dead -- it just smells funny

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is this a pipedream or did it come from some official source ?

Yes that would rock btw.

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Originally posted by Ulujain

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Originally posted by Hadesprime

Originally posted by Ulujain
I wouldn't consider Horizons housing to be even that. Housing in that game actually isn't housing but rather a means to store extra stuff. You cannot customize anything nor add any furniture. Horizons has a plot system with to which you can build. It is probably perhaps the longest most boring grind you will find in any MMO bar none.The double insult is that you can't do anything with your house once its complete.I would say UO DAOC and EQ2 offer the best player housing options available on the MMO scene to date.

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I'm so glad you said perhaps. I can name you several games that have a far worse grind than HZ ever had at any stage.

Maple Story, to name one.

EQ2's player housing is pretty cool, IMHO. It's virtual, which is as it should be, and the depth you can customise it is pretty good. I like having a pet beholder traipisng about my house in North Qeynos.

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Originally posted by Ulujain

Horizons arguably...though you'd want to hurry and catch it before it goes south. Reports of HZ's imminent death have been exaggerated in the past, but maybe not now...

UO has good player housing, but it's from an isometric viewpoint and that questionably is inferior to the 3D that Horizons i.

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I wouldn't consider Horizons housing to be even that. Housing in that game actually isn't housing but rather a means to store extra stuff. You cannot customize anything nor add any furniture. Horizons has a plot system with to which you can build. It is probably perhaps the longest most boring grind you will find in any MMO bar none. The double insult is that you can't do anything with your house once its complete.

I would say UO DAOC and EQ2 offer the best player housing options available on the MMO scene to date.

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Originally posted by Signe
.  What's happening to Horizons now is downright criminal, but probably not a scam.  Just plain ineptitude and mismanagement.  The rest, however, are actual games that took years of development and have or will have a proper product to give people in exchange for their money, regardless of what we might think of the content.  I think some people might be defining "scam" incorrectly.  Archlord is simply an Asian game that has been translated and published by a western company... it just has a goofy pricing structure.

Now if you want a really dangerous scam... bagged spinach! 

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actually some interesting developments regarding Horizons and its new owner EII.

Apparently EII did NOT purchase the game outright. They were given till October to come up with their first big installment. Then an yet unspecified time later they are to make a second larger payment to Chris Baker. This comes from an ex Tulga Employee... interesting that EII did not have their employee's sign NDA's.

What is happening now is that people are suffering from the same old Horizons issues but new twists come int play.

1) there is no effective way to cancel your account at this time

2) Accounts are not only being double billed but there are factual reports of accounts being charged upwards of 14 times in one month. Its taking weeks to get refunds on cancelled billed accounts and then they end up getting charged again the next billing cycle.

3) EII is blaming Pay by touch for these issues. But reports are that statements are showing EII as the billing company. If PBT was indeed doing the billing the statements would reflect a similar charge * EII Horizons- Paybytouch *. This is not happening. All references to the fact that Pay by touch is not appearing on anyone's statements are being deleted outright off of the official boards.

Speculation is that EII's first payment is due this october. That they are charging people , multiple billing accounts and charging cancelled accounts in order to have cash on hand to pay this first payment. Yes they eventually have to issue refunds and they do it just takes them a very very long time. Delaying refunds so that they can get the cash together to make this payment. Also they are counting on the fact that some people will not be checking their statements and will be oblivious to multiple charges for horizons. Offering them further boons to this payment they have to make.

Is this a scam ? hard to say but its more of a scam than simple incompetance.

MMORPG industry is now what we call a bandwagon jumper industry. Every idiot with aspirations to make big bucks has their stupid ignorant hands in it. Which has resulted in one copy cat of EQ1 after another with only slight deviations from its model. From Eve to wow its all the same really.

Everyone wants a piece of that MMORPG $$$$ pie. Till those are weeded out and a venture capitilist can be convinced that a quality MMO title that has learned from the lessons of others can make $$$ it will never happen.

But there is still some hope as people are getting tired of the EQ's the WoW's and other copy cats that are out there. Soon they will have no choice but to change.

What do I believe should be done ?

MMORPG.com should remove all information on all NCsoft games till they deal with this issue or at least respond to it. At the very least remove Lineage II from the list. That kind of rampant EULA violation cannot be tolerated even if its acceptable tin Asian circles.

However my personal opinion is that any game that NCSOFT DIRECTLY develops and supports is crap. They support a style of game play that brings down the entire industry. But what do they care ? Lineage II is mostly an asian game and these people hang out at cyber cafes and kill one another over these games. To them its not about the game itself and its quality but rather that its simply there. If we want to move the industry forward all new and future devs along with the current need to shove asian made games like Lineage II completely out of any considerations as to making a quality title.

I ask and I ask exactly how is eve dynamic ?

A station falling in 0,0 space affects everyone on the server how ? The economy is that really dynamic ? every game has an economy eve's difference is that its totally player dependant. But how does it really change the server ? Can the market crash ?

yes Eve is a niche game. Its not a bad game but its hardly the holy grail to the MMO genre. If anything it examplfies why the genre has grown so stagnant. Eve is just another grind with a different picture. Some will like it and some will not.

btw really it takes as much skill to play Eve as it does WoW. The illusion of needed skill is just something fanbois use to rock themselves to sleep at night. Eve is a tribal knowledge game. In that once you are told about all the in's and outs its really an easy game to play. It is enjoyable in its own right but sheesh people recognize the humor presented by the OP.

with whats coming out in the next year Horizons will be nothing but a bad dream. You will be playing MMO's that offer just as much as horizons and more. EII will not be able to compete in a market that will have some new very tough competitiion.

What you posted is scary and anyone who might want to support Horizons really ought to consider against it. These guys are just way out of their league and their total inaction on the billing problem makes me now think that yes indeed they are doing this on purpose.

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Originally posted by fizzle322

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Originally posted by Hadesprime

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So by this logic DAOC blows the socks off of Eve correct ? Cause in DAOC players can effect the game world and its population more so than EVE could ever dream to.

Eve is no better and no worse than the average MMO out there. Its a grind like the rest of them and no more innovative than a stale piece of bread.

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I think you need to stop smoking crack and go try Eve.

Or are you one of those carebears who sits in Empire for 3 years and whines all the time.

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