All Posts by smg77

Originally posted by jokuvaan

Another SWG vet crying over stuff that happened ages ago instead of moving on? Bwaaaah...

Your post is both thought provoking and original. Nobody has ever suggested moving on before. Do you, perhaps, have a newsletter I could subscribe to?

Originally posted by Ginaz

 

Originally posted by smg77

 

Originally posted by Bountytaker

which is why I keep pleading with you to STOP giving them false blame for the DESIGN issues of the game, and instead, give them the true blame for the poor marketing and distribution.  They didn't cause the basic systems of potbs to fail because of an early release.  FLS screwed up the design systems all on their, well before SOE was adding it to the station pass.  SOE made major mistakes with the boxes, codes, and ads.

I have *never* said that SOE was responsible for PotBS poor gameplay. I do believe that SOE put pressure on FLS to release the game before it was ready but that's just a theory. It's just too much like Vanguard's release where the same thing happened.

 

 

Believe me, I know that FLS is responsible for the poor gameplay.

 

While I dislike soe as much as the next guy (I'm never buying a product related to them again) they don't deserve the blame for PotBS or even Vanguard.  Both of those games failed to live up to expectations due to their respective dev teams, not soe.

I don't know how many different ways I can say it: I have *never* said that SOE was responsible for PotBS' poor gameplay.

Originally posted by Bountytaker

which is why I keep pleading with you to STOP giving them false blame for the DESIGN issues of the game, and instead, give them the true blame for the poor marketing and distribution.  They didn't cause the basic systems of potbs to fail because of an early release.  FLS screwed up the design systems all on their, well before SOE was adding it to the station pass.  SOE made major mistakes with the boxes, codes, and ads.

Believe me, I know that FLS is responsible for the poor gameplay.

Originally posted by Rippentuck

 

I was already gone when the changes hit (I played from shortly after launch to late 2004), but I don't think the CU-NGE stuff is the only reason for the low current population.  It probably would have dropped dramatically anyway just because the game aged, new games came along, people got bored and moved on, etc., although you're probably right that the changes had a lot to do with it. 

I think sometimes people blame it all on the changes alone -- as if the game would still have 250k players today if not for that. 

Rip

 

I honestly don't believe that. I think that if they had buckled down and fixed the original sandbox game and added content on that framework that we would be in a golden age of SWG right now. People getting bored with WoW would be flocking to a game with more depth and meaning and SWG might actually have a decent subscriber base.

Originally posted by Torak

 

You vets make blanket statements based on individual opinion and try to pass them as fact, then use made up "stats" that no one can prove either way.

Anybody can sign up for the free trial and take a look at the population for themselves. I tell curious people to do it all the time so they can see we're *not* exaggerating.

Originally posted by hipiap

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s246/hork69/SWGsummit042608/Hoth.jpg

rofl...it's just some concept art. This is just like when they showed the clip of the guild-owned star destroyer that got everybody all worked up. This is the very definition of vaporware.

Originally posted by SioBabble

Isn't it a tad late for April Fools jokes?

There is no way that the sad sack team of "developers" of SWG can pull off an entire new planet, even if it's downscaled.

As for it being a PvE operation, ever since I can recall all the clammor for Hoth was for it to be a PvP operation where you could really let your hair down and go at it.

Not exactly what the players have been asking for...

Originally posted by Sam123jo0123

Spelt wrong

Wow...this is just classic.

Originally posted by Obraik

Due to RoTW's heavy Space tie ins, you also couldn't get that expansion without getting JTL and it was given as a free bonus when you got it.  Considering JTL was suppose to be part of the core game at launch rather then an expansion, I guess it shouldn't be all that unexpected that eventually was treated as part of the core game and no longer a seperate addition.

You could be right but that's not the reason they did it. They specifically said it was because of the issue with the tutorial. SOE would never give anything away just to be nice...they either do it to screw people over somehow or because coming up with a real solution is just too hard.

Originally posted by Sam123jo0123

You know knowing about law.

Hmmm...you should probably proofread your posts before you start accusing other posters of being ignorant.

Originally posted by Sam123jo0123

Ofcourse - the games population isn't as low as some of the haters make out, theres been an influx of new players and returning players recently which has increased the pop largely.

Haters would have you believe that everyone is on a vet trial or AFK - this ofcourse isn't the case.

Of course you can back up this statement with a screenshot or two, right?

Originally posted by Gutboy

Sure in pre-cu you could be a artisan/scout/dancer if you wanted to but why?

 

Yet thousands of people had strange hybrid templates. You want to know why? Because those combinations of skills were fun for *that* person. You might not want to play an artisan/scout/dancer but to another person that is the perfect combination of combat/crafting/entertaining to keep them playing happily for years. That is what was so special about the old game--there really was something there for everybody.

Originally posted by Sam123jo0123

I mean gosh they were hyped, I remember back when TR first got announced - not sure why it failed as i havn't played it - Same with POTBS, perhaps it was too instanced?

I remember hundreds of people saying POTBS was the game for them, I wonder what happened.

Perhaps when a trial comes out i'll try those but until then i can't say i am interested.

Come on, Sam, don't be a hater. People will mistake you for a true SWG vet.

Originally posted by Thunderous

It's the ethical thing to do.

Which is exactly why they won't do it. Why do the ethical thing when you can screw your customers out of even more money if they are dumb enough to pay it?

Originally posted by Antarious

 

Originally posted by Kethrym

This site's obvious fixation for hating Star Wars Galaxies is not only tasteless but ridiculous.   Deleting a post that was meant to inform players that the current incarnation of SWG is NOT as bad as they make it out to be was too much for even the moderator to handle. 

 

Um what?

This site (mmorpg.com) if anything has seemed to be semi funded by SOE.. and in general bans/deletes negative things.  Not sure what site you went to..

Most "haters" don't even use these forums.. other than to exchange troll posts with the "fainbois".

Perhaps I missed when the site changed policy recently?

 

I don't know if funded is the right word but SOE's advertising dollars are clearly more important to them than remaining objective.

You making this post shows more effort than FLS is going to show to actually fix the problems. They don't care about PvE and they don't care about the economy. They cater to gankers and griefers only.

Originally posted by iwantmyswg

glad to see the mods are starting to see things our way.

and positive swg feedback? i'm sorry but i hit the main swg forums as well and all i see are people crying out for the return of pre-cu.

I wouldn't be so sure. The fanbois report almost all of my posts and I receive "warnings" regularly for things that aren't even against the TOS.

Originally posted by Antarious

 

Originally posted by smg77

It happened and it's done with.  Move on or leave the game if you are unhappy with it the level most claim to be.  The way some people still carry on to this day scares the hell out of me.  God help you if something major does happen in your life...

I know posts like this are always gonna turn into some flame fest.. but there is ONE thing I would like to point out.  I feel this way NO matter what MMO it was about..

 

As a senator you by default have a different station than the average forum poster.  Just like if back in 1998 you were a "blue robe" in Ultima Online or a volunteer of ANY kind for any MMO.

When you then state on official forums or anywhere...

"Move on or leave the game"

You should immediantly have your position terminated and most likely have your game accounts suspended.

You are not helping the game or the company...

I don't give a crap about the NGE etc... I don't want to debate any of that.

But after that statement.. if it was my game.. that person would be gone.. period.  In fact I've always thought it would be a good idea to put into any forum RoK that making statements like that would have your posting abilities permanently revoked.

"leave the game" .. "go to wow" or whatever variation.

*note*

SOE has not been shy about forum bans in the past.  If negative posts bother them.. they can deal with it.  If you as a poster don't like what someone says... report it (if it violates rules) or move on.  Nothing is going to happen in any positive sense replying to stuff especially when you reply in a manner such as that.

 

 

Please check your attributes...I didn't write what you quoted above...

Originally posted by KrackenOne

Well Hello,

Since this is my 1st post here on MMORPGI should introduce.

I guess as a Senator for SWG I'm the enemy .  Which I find kinda silly btw.  I represent those that like pets (Beast Master - I hate that name btw) and those that know/remember me know that I'm by no means a SOE yesman.  In fact the big V and Helios have each banned me a few times over the years.  Kinda feel like I beat Helios though, I'm no longer banned and I have my pets back, and i hva efun with them in camps

What made me sign up for this board is the mis-information in this thread about the senate program.

• Were players
• We Volunteer
• We mod our aspect forum boards
• We are to create/maintain our ascpect guides
• We present issues to the DEVs that impact those we "represent"

I see no issue with Cig's comments. 

Welcome to the Veteran's Refuge, Kraken. Hopefully you'll stick around and not just be a drive-by poster.

Originally posted by Kapazo

 

Originally posted by Torak

 

As far as the botting, please I was there before CU also and thats a load. AFK and botting / macroing (whatever you want to call it) professions was always at every point in this games history, an issue.

The good old days of people grinding out profession after profession in less then a few days so they could unlock jedi....it was pathetic.

 

I agree, thats why I left SWG at that time.

I don't think anybody every says that the pre-CU game was perfect but it was still a vastly better game than the NGE.