All Posts by Jetrpg

Honestly id go with xp 32 bit, if you already own a copy. (64 would be nice but driver support can be an issue).

However if you NEED vista, ulti 64. Might as well.

Also a few things one , think about a 9800gtx or a nvidia mebo (750i 780i 790i) and two 9600 gts in sli (shit runs at an adverage on all settings all games 82% boost. More so in 1600x 1200 and higher with aa settigns or not it runs at 108% boost (from just one 9600 card). IE these 2 cards will out perform one single 9800gtx and atm you can get two from newegg for 250-260 with rebates.

That or just one 9800gtx. I have a 8800gts 512, i love it just i can never sli it if i want becuase my boost atm will be like 50-60% were as if i had a 9800gtx (which is already faster than a 8800gts 512) i could sli and get a 95% boost were i run games. (ps if you plan on sli at all have to use a 7xxi mebo)

Just a thought.

 PS, going with a p35 is a great idea, unless you plan on upgrading a video card like 3-4 years from now... (p35s run FAST (2-5% fps from a mebo really), and overclock WELL, and are very stable).

 PS i have 4 gb in my 32 xp ... why not. Its faster than a  vista rig. (Still i had a copy of xp so .. it was free).

Just because you can chop someone's head off, doesn't make it next generation

Thats called a gimmick

I posted thsi very same thing like 2 years ago rofl i took soem heat for it , but it is the truth.

Not saying aoc is bad, just likes be clear on what counts.

We  have seen enough of the combat to know it is NOT revolutionary. They may have wanted it to be , but this did not turn out to be the case. A bit different and a bit fresh ... ok.

The seige and city system is also not revolutionary.  (talkign what 5-7 years old).

So what does push it to next gen , its graphix? Suprizing these are nice.. next gen hardly not.

Raiding end game ... sorry.

No offensive, but WAR has more chance of beign next gen from the simple reason that it is trying to create a new gamign experience with massive pvp in a new casual friendly wowish world. (Still i would most likely not call WAR next gen).

PS word up to the the op , we already are on the 2nd gen of mmos. (according to gamespy, fp and most mmo sites) Thus , you should be pushign for 3rd gen.  (ps i seen gamespy have 2nd gen titles all the way back to at least 2002).

Honestly , wow should be called 3rd gen. Because it was.

Originally posted by hdnine

I recently bought a Nvidia 8800 GTS 512 card to go with my 6600 Dual 2 Core CPU and 2 Gb ram. I am currently using XP and as i understand it, upgrading to Vista will give me extra lighting, shadow, particle and volumetric effects. Even though this probably will look nice, i am somewhat reluctant to get Vista because of the hassle of installing it. The plan would be to keep a copy of my current XP installation but i'm not sure if i simply can copy it back if Vista doesn't install correctly?

So what do you guys say... is DX10 worth the trouble?

Zomg no.

PS these are BEST case situations , once in a while its far worse than this. (ie 40-50% slower in odd cases, ir comps a bit slower already).

1 - vista w/ 8 gb of ram will run you game 10-15% slower than xp with 2 gb ram.

2 - DX10 will run yoiur game 5-10% slower than dx9 , with minor improvments in picture quality.

3 - You will need to buy new ram and a 64 bit windows os ($300-500)

Ok all of this for what?

Bingo thats why a new windows is gonna be out in 2010-11  and xp is still being sold at quite high rates. This points to the fact ... why vista? Bingo why vista?

If i did not already have an os ... ok then i would buy vista ulta 64 bit. However, due to the fact that i do have xp sp0 (thast right the orginal disk) Why ? I just streamlined it and burnt it and installed sp3 rc2 ona  new comp i built 1 month ago using an os i bought like forever ago.

WEll to clear this up 64 bit system can play 32 bit games just fine (just not the other way around)

I don't know if any game atm is a real 64 bit , i know wow and farcry and hl2 have somethign saying 64 bit but im not sure of their status. (they really should start making games 64 bit tho.)

Originally posted by Loke666

No, it's not. Chanses are that one of the ram sticks isn't correctly inserted. Check if you have all in the Bios. If not then take both out and put them in again.

In can also be other problems but it's not very likely. There is quite a lot good benchmark programs to test your system, check tucows.com, they have a lot for free.

/\ Has no clue ignore this OP.

Originally posted by CleffyII

nope addressing limitation of a 32bit OS.  Also you want to have PC components in powers of 2.  2gigs, 4 gigs, 8gigs.  Skip the 6 gigs.

The true limitation is 3.2 Gb  (windows should see 3070 Mb) of ram on a 32 bit os (it has to do with basiclly being able to find the ram).

That being said 2,4, 8 GB only is not true at all.

However only if you have a 64 bit os, in this case 2,4,6,8 + is fine.

The difference is you need to keep your dual (linked) channel sticks the same size, so however, you mebo works , you can do this

Slots

1 - 2 gb (linked with 3)

2 - 1 gb (linked with 4)

3 - 2 gb (linked with 1)

4 -  1 gb (linked with 2)

 and you will have 6 gb that runs just as well as 8 minus the fact you lack 2 more gb of ram (no big deal atm)

However, if you are running a 64-bit os why not go 8 gb and not 6.  The end key is the linked ram sticks must (should) be the same size.

Originally posted by logangregor

 

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Originally posted by Jetrpg
Well then i guess all i can say is, It sad that you compared wow reactionaries with DAOCs. And i believe this is a discredit to oneself and DAOC combat.

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Man Im so tired of your type. It is really getting old. Yeah I got it, alot of you dont like WoW. You dont have to mention it in every post.

 

WoW for all its faults did more things right than it did wrong.

 

Im tired of your type. The type who ASSumes what others are thinking. For one WoW is a good game look up my post on wow i say this much over and over. The best game ever nahh , but top notch. I simply said wow reactionaries are nothing compared to Doac reactionaries ... so much so comparing them or sayign they are the same is sad.

This does not mean wow sucks , just daoc had far superior reactionaries.

Well then i guess all i can say is, It sad that you compared wow reactionaries with DAOCs. And i believe this is a discredit to oneself and DAOC combat.

Honestly 2 gx2 is a waste. atm your cpu even oc up to 3.6-.8 GHz will bottleneck you. and this si onyl if you playign on like a 2400x whatever rez.

You may even pay SLOWER.

Id get just one 9800GTX or one gx2, if ya want you can due two 9800gtx and sli them , or just stick with one gx2 and in the future upgrade via another gx2. Still atm id 2x gx2 is pointless.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3275&p=4

Check that bench its preoabbly the best for what cards give top preformence and etc.

Also id try to avoid a cerative sounds card, im sad to say this i have their top model atm even. But their driver for the last 2 year on xf-i are GOD awful.

PS get two harddrive and put them ina  raid zero if your willign to pay for 2 gx2 which will not help you or give you any boost to fps, a raid zero with 2 hard drives will make you load and seek faster. (look into two raptors at that, but really this is not needed id just do two normal hdds in raid 0).

CPUs good and should last you two.

Over clock it to liek 3.3-3.7 and woo fast speedz.

 Oh one more thing don't buy a phisixs card, as your video card will soon do that (nvidia bought them out and soon will act just like a physics card as well as normal video card).

Originally posted by Pheace

 

Originally posted by xSaintx

Ok, so DAoC didn't have the "conventional" twitch combat.  Poor choice of words on my part.  It did, however, have both positional and reactive combat, i.e when someone evades, there is a evade reaction to counter attack.  I heard WAR, which I'm very excited about, has a combat system reminscient of most other MMOs, such as EQII, WoW, etc.  Why didn't they stick with the reactionary combat?  I throughly enjoyed that because it was more interactive and although it was still based on stats, it was a nice mix of both stats and player skill.

 

 

Say wha?

WoW may not have had many positionals but it certainly has reactionary combat(moves off block, parry, dodge etc). Also the way WoW's PvP is based on fighting over distance between you and your opponent it has always felt a lot more interactive to me than Daoc ever did (at least on my hunter).

 

 

Not really , play doac and you'll understand. there a differnce ina  character or two have a recationary style if they are spec defensive or in one of their trees , to them being a part (as well as possitionals) to every EVERY melee class.

You forgot an option , be praised , they are not trolls or vaporware posters they are doing the mmo community a service?

Despite if whatever you think at least make your polls logical and lacking bias. Otherwise they don't mean anything.

Ok vista , unstable? NO, it is not really.

Ok Vista, more ram? Yes.

Ok vista, worth it? Not its not.

Why?

Simple, vista while it may run things alright, plays games (all games) slower than XP regardless of having 3-8 gb of ram.

So what does this mean?

Simple, there is no reason TOO get vista minus dx10 ,which is not junk , but is also not worth that much.

Only person here that even praised it said its worth it ... for a game in beta , because they saw some trailers... IE. he thinks it could be worth it but have no proof and has not seen it tested.

My dollars on dx 9 on xp 10-20% fps boost maybe a tad less impressive (if at all).

Now if i had  to buy one or the other id do Vista for its a newer OS that will be supported longer.  However, if i owned both or a copy of XP atm id stick with it.

Thast what sad id buy ati or nvidia , i ONLY CARE ABOUT PREFORMENCE. I just dislike the blind following of anything "because its 'good'" notice good is double quoted.

so the 9 series cards have an adverage of a 182% sli boost (with the BESt scaling on the highest settings were you need them)

Vs a 172% for the ati . Wrong again.

PS what i said was " and the Gx2 has no competition." and it doesn't. You can look to possible new chips and cards in the future and say the atm non-existing future ati card will beat it , but thats a tad well god like and i do not prescribe to being a god and being able to know the future and all. However, im sure ati one day will make a card faster than then gx2 , but atm they have not so it remains without compitition.

Oh here we go two 3870x2 cost (witha 40 dollar rebate) $700

here ya go a gx2 for 530 no rebate (wait for a 40 and it cost 490).

Even then id like to see some benches before you just say "IT runs better"

or you can currently get 9800 gtx for 270 you can just wait for thos to hit around 220-250 with a rebate and get three of those for 660 -750. and 3 way sli those and totaly kick the junk out of your 2 x2s; or just sli a gx2 but that be crazy.

Still atm if you wanted the strongest for you buck computer it would be 3x9800gtx or 2 3870x2 but it will run you 700ish. Oh wait here we go i found soem info.

I have a quad sli becnh for both the gx2 and the 3870x2 ( thast two of them) , and if you play in old crt rez then your quads do the best in a few games and a single GX2 beats them in others. But anyoen with a 21" or large a SINGLE GX2 does better for EVERY GAME. Infact, two 9800 GTX do better almost acrossed the board.

 "Howerever you can get two HD3870X2 in price of one 9800GX2. OMGROTFLZOMGBBQ did I just prove your point wrong! ATI=best bang for buck."

Look at the following link, your wrong becuase a single gx2 out -preforms Two 3870x2s and it also will cost you about $200 or more to go the ATI route here. You really should do some research before posting.

Ok benches:

Here is basicly the run down on sli gx2 , gx2 vs 3870x2s and 3870s (the 3870s do well on low ress, low AA.)  also look at most than the first page some games the atis do pretty good but over all price or top preformence the nvidia domminate.  THE AMAZING THING HERE IS THAT YOU ARE BETTER OFF WITH A Single GX2 OR AN SLI'ED 9800GTX, THAN TWO 3870X2 (thats 4 gpus). And this is were your wrong agian. - http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3275&p=4

Here is a single 9800 gtx vs hd3870x2 (no chanllege at all the 9800gtz wins and the 9800GTX cost at least $100 less), also have 9800 gx2 and 9800gtx sli benches in there. - http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/518/7/

Here shows how effective a 9600 in SLI really is for freaking $240-250 atm people. - http://www.amdzone.com/index.php/reviews/71/9339-geforce-9800-gtx-sli?start=1

I mean really these are great beanches and they are REAL valid apples to apples i lay out how much stuff cost RIGHT NOW ON NEWEGG.

Pretty obvious, however, once agian i care not what you buy. I just dropped $1k us and have a comp thats pushing 16.5k on 3dmark06. not even fully OC'ed (and im not using soem crazy $700 on a freaking video card setup)

Drop 260 on a 9800 gtx or  a total 240 on two 9600 gts (or roll back to a 8800 GTS, but i would not and i did buy a 8800GTS but thast becuase the 9800 GTx were not out  yet). buy ur self a xxxi mebo board (nvidia chip for sli  and buy a second 9800gtx when you need a 82% boost in preformence. (as long and you have your cpu pushing a nice amount of Hertz).

Or get two 3870 cards for $300 and take a hit to preformence.

OR wait; hey i swear a better card will be made (sooner or later).

To the following poster (one under this, nice find). If you look at the $300 one its 9600gts in sli, you can NOW GEt THIS FOR $240ish ON NEWEGG.  - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261002

thats 240 if you basicly do an old rebate trick (ie use two peoples names, like ur wifes or a bother or good friend) or you can pay 252 and get a second - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134038

Anyway that out-preforms a 8800gts for close to the same cost and by a good margin. (it beats a single 9800GTS, even more so the higher settings you go).

Still you can always upgrade a 9800GTX  more effectively (or with better results) in the future.

yes but my benches (not just one) that i linked shows that the 9600 gt running = OR better than the 3870 (and thus always better than the 3850, ie you said otherwise, other show it behind the 70 and in front of the 50).

Two for SLI, if you read i am talking about the 9 series sli which clearly out preforms x-fire.(more below, see links)

You are also not taking into the fact the differences in the mother board preformence , which anyone can tell you that the x38 they used plays at higher fps than the 680i they used. Its pretty much accepted as a fact . So you need to also look at that.

That being said, i bet they could get a few more fps by dumping those cat drivers for the ATI cards... still the mebo difference more than makes up for this.

So take a look this is from the same site you used, but HERE is NEW INFO NOT OLD INFO. This reviews the 9600 but compairs it to other 8800s and your 3870s

http://en.expreview.com/2008/02/23/geforce-9600gt-review/14/

"in total 28 test item, only two item lower than 50%. That means there are 92% items have more than 150% efficiency. The average efficiency is 182%!" From those same exeperts site you linked early.

Sure you can find old article to prove your point. Thats why i use the recent ones, that prove you wrong and that the 9 series card dominate at the entire x-fire vs sli arena now. Just compare it to your link.

liked this part also

http://en.expreview.com/2008/02/23/geforce-9600gt-review/?page=16

You basically you see two 9600 gt dominate the hd 3870x2 (two 3870s on a card) in games THE ATI CARDS RUN THE BEST. IE bioshock look at all the reviews with it in them the ati cards are betting some of the better nvidia cards on this game. (Just because that how it is.)

ps. lets look at prices

 I CAN GET 2, THATS RIGHT TWO, 9600s FOR $240 US.

i can get 2 3870s for $310 , or an x2 for 360.

GEE what should i do .... Rofl Sorry but i pretty much just proved that yes price for your buck 9600 are the best deals out there, at least better than any ati card.

Now if you just willing to pay some more, wait 2 months and grab two 9800 GTX for a total around $400-490 and nothing will touch you minus a possible gx2 config. (or the new ati cards when they show up.)

Regardless, single or multi card for preformence and your $$; ati atm does have a leg to stand on. Not that you fanboyz can't still use ati cards and play ur games well (as they do a fine job). It just that they do not do the job as well as the nvidia solutions.

Conclusion, people that say x or x is "better looking" is like saying i think its better because it is, which is what you said about sli speeds and 9600 vs 3850 preformence , but were wrong about. Thus you must be using a non-biased belief to say ati picture look "better" . More like i feel better about them becuase im a fanboy. Additionally, Sli speeds of the 9000 cards are not only faster, they are way faster. (As the 9000 cards are only nvidia cards i ever mensioned sli'ing other than saying some pople think its the drivers and 8800s may see this boost in slis with the next large roll-in of nvida drivers for them) .  So what card to buy, buy what you want, however, do not progress that you get better preformnce from ati card (or save money) when i just proved that you will not.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/868/868552p1.html?RSSwhen2008-04-22_121100&RSSid=868552

DX10.1 I THINK NOT BETTER CHECK UR FACTS.

That and you seem to miss the fact that to use dx10 at all  YOU WILL ALWAYS LOSE FPS ATM.

dx10 is a lose of at least 10 fps and vista at least 10-15.

So end of the game ur better with xp + dx9 atm. (for those that omgz graphix looks so much better on dx10... no sadly they don't)

ATm the best multi card series out ther are the 9xxxx series. (thast right you get more preformence from them then x-fire or the 8xxxx series, however, the 8 series may get this via patch soem people have addressed.)

Fion is correct about the boost for 9 series ps , its way better than ever seen before. That is oen large reason why at the end of the day a 9600 gt which is preformign kinda close to a 8800gtS can be sli'ed and preform almost as well as two 8800gts sli'ed for 2/3s or less the cost.

"Crossfire has much better scaling then SLI thus boosting the performance a lot better then SLI. " it used too , however, this is in no way true now man.

Here are a ton of reviews pretty much showing that overall your ati cards are not that good ... in fact kinda sad.

Sure oen or two of the 3870x2s will be on top but only when not competeing verse equally priced cards or other cards sli'ed or x2'ed

Oh ps http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/504/7/

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_9600_gt_sli_performance/page3.asp

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-9800gtx-review,1800-4.html

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=12417&page=6

Oh ps alot of these don't even included the 3850 because ... why ? the 3870 is being out classed by a bargin 9-s card and 3870x2 (which are NOT cheap, and x-fired on one card) vs 9600GT sli'ed the 9600 totally out performs the ati solution.

That being said 8800gts do better than 9600s but what happends if you 3-way sli :) . REgaurdsless, i myself went with a 8800 because like i said why not?

 still the 9800 GTX does better, and the Gx2 has no competition.

GO 8800 GTS 512 MB or the 8800 GT 512 MB (these are the best 8800 cards) Or u can get a 9600 GT for a great price and its preformence is quite good. all of them beat ati. OH and the 9600 has as good if not better DX support.

the 8800 only support DX 10.0 not 10.1 , the difference .... in 3-4 year when a super game utilizes deepth shaders well u may not.... but still i doubt it will matter.

Seeing as i went the smart way stuck with xp, because who would want to pay for a 10-25 fps drop on ALL settings for vista + DX10 , and have the picture ... the smallest bit more detailed... not me. Games already look great ill stick with my 360-300 fps in CS:S and 150+ in wow .

So end results nvidia at > ati no questions. PS i was gonna "wait" for the 9xxxx series but i waited and waited liek 3 months and was like f that, no point waiting unless it gonna make a difference from what reviewers have said. (PS if reviews do not already have their hands on the card its gonna be over a month b4 realeased).

However, for the person who said ati = nvidia , atm you are very wrong. Really the only thing they have is cheap cards which don't beat nvida cards in the same prices range.... And atm nvidia 9xxxx (like i said the 9600 gt is quite affordable and it has as good if not better DX and sli [dual card] support as any current ati card.)

People say ative combat can't be done , but even witha  rolling system in place (hurting this) DDO still offers one of the most active mmo combat systems.

I think it looked great, nice find , really compare it to other mmos that are out.

Now compare it to other other mmos, that will have 100+ people on the screen at the same time.... Bingo number one if ya ask me.

gospel music, some polka , etc. some hardcore stuff like that.