Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by morlock9

Reading this article was like reading someone trolling.  I have to think the author might need to step out of his fictional worlds for some real world time, just as The Mittani should.

 

You have to draw a line somewhere, and what was said and done is not acceptable.  Period, end of story.  This was so unacceptable that the fact that this happened at all is a clear indication of deep disfunction in this person.

 

In my opinion it didn't go as far as it should have.  Hell, it should have been a 60 minutes feature.  The guy should have been permanently banned from the game, and criminal charges filed.

 

Anyone who thinks this isn't a big deal or too much has been made of it really needs to take a step back themselves and reconsider.

 

In the wake of all this, this Mittani is trying to use his "legendary" status to threaten mmo news organizations now.  I don't believe his appology was genuine, and I think his status within this game world isn't the only thing now pointing to his disfunction.

 

...and by the way.  I know many people following this story who do not play Eve (like myself) and don't give a rat's ass who the Goons are.  I don't care what game you play...this has garnered interest across the community.  Acusations that this is some effort of Eve players is idiotic.

 

You say "a line has to draw a line somewhere", by whom? Indviduals for themselves? I'd quite agree. But all too many people seek to get government involved in these issues. They go on some Crusade or another to "right" the worlds "wrongs", using a system ruled for the most part, in most places, by self seeking sociopaths.  Anyone not familiar with that reality, is either naive, or hasn't been paying attention. 

Mittens went well over the top (as far as I'm concerned) with his drunken diatribe, but removal from the CSM should be the extent of any action taken by CCP.  Much more than that is simply appeasing certain hysterics. 

Later on you speak of this being on "60 minutes", and Mittens having "criminal charges filed". Why limit this to America? Perhaps this needs to be broadcast through out the world? Perhaps Mittens needs to be hauled before the International Court at the Hague?  

Or perhaps, some people need to take a step back, take a deep breath, and realize that just because something is offensive, doesn't require the type of hysterical responses we've been seeing way too much of for the last few years?

How about this.... if we can't manage to draw the line ourselves you do realize there are many groups out there looking for crap like this to happen so they can step in and draw the line for us. If they draw the line then none of us are going to be happy. 

 

And yes Mittens went over the top and then tried to blame it on Alcohol when it backlashed on him. 

Groups only "step in" when they are allowed to... Thats one of the reasons that the US Founders insisted on having a well armed population.  We've come a LONG way from that ideal, but the principle remains valid non the less.

 I personally believe in self government. Each and every person is responsible for their own actions/inactions and the consequences that result. Thats why Mittens is *still* responsble, even those he was totally smashed drunk. But it should be looked at as only a mitigating circumstance(at best).  Alcohol does weird things to some peoples psychologies, and its up to them to know this, and not drink to excess. 

Yes but by this standard he is not resposible for any action the "victim" takes as a result,  "Each and every person is responsible for their own actions/inactions " .

lets hope its minnimal like realm buffs /servers buffs.

red more gooby

Originally posted by Ausare

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Druft

http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/77

From the Apology:

Cyberbullying is a grave issue. Our schools are in chaos; teenagers are driving each other to self-harm with persistent online harassment. It is unequivocally ridiculous to suggest that a stumbling idiot in a wizard hat mouthing off (again, I make no denials - what I said was completely over the line) about an ingame character is the equivalent of youths harassing one another over Facebook until one is driven to suicide. Slapping the label ‘Cyberbully’ - with its high media profile and controversial nature - on my remark was not only manifestly inappropriate but reckless and irresponsible.

 

From the Incident:

"Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself" and then gives out the guys in game name so that others may harass him.

 

 

Completely different from Cyberbullying........

 

How is this NOT Cyberbullying? It's done in Cyberspace, first he was harassed by Mittens and his goons, then Mittens goes on and suggests to others that they try and drive the guy to suicide.............

He got slapped with the label Cyberbully because thats what he F***ing did.

 

Gotta love crap like this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SKC00a0ovTA#t=42%202s

7:00-7:40 its stated that the theme was to tell others to kill themselves lol.... "I didn't mean to say it I was just drunk" doesn't work to well....

Got to love it.  So if I convince others to pick on you I am not a bully. 

Wait, but the agrument is if he had done this himself he wouldn't have been a bully, he is only a bully because he encouraged others to call that persons bluff.

Double speak much

Originally posted by BarCrow

Originally posted by vorpal28

The reason for this is there is no free speech, and never has been, say something thats not agreed by the masses and you'll be censored so fast your feet won't touch the ground.

Upshot being you don't dare say anything thats not mainstream in fear of being flamed to death.

Here's a qoute for those who know and sums it up rather succinctly:

 "...Go back to bed, America. Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, America. Here is American Gladiators. Here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go, America! You are free to do as we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!.."

 

If you believe something say it, you can only be wrong, you might even be right, but it's your right to speak and be heard, right or wrong.

 

That's a great Hick's quote but I don't see this as the same thing. Speech is free but no one is free from the consequences of their words. You can not urge others to  harass a person in obvious need of help with the intent of driving them to kill themselves..without paying a price. We're suppose to be pursuing happiness..not misery.

"Speech is free but no one is free from the consequences of their words." - so lock him up? Then what does freedom of speech even mean. CCP can do whatever it wants they are not us based and a privete company. But there are many calling for more. Yes criminally you should be free to speak, some now claim not if it would possible hurt someone. 

Really have to read any of the writings of people who outline this freedom in the US? Becuase they incited violence. Lets not confuse propaganda with reailty.

And agian he didn't want him to kill themself, he wanted to punish someone threatening him with suicde, anyone who states otherwise is obviously just in it for the outrage/blood, is obviously disingenuous, and/or lacks any semblance of logical and rational thought.

Originally posted by Ecoces

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by Ecoces

or we can cut out all the bullshit analogies and go on facts ....

if the guy told Mittiani that he was going to kill himself because of Mittanis actions and did so ... no problem

going to a public forum and telling those in attendance that they may be able to get this guy to kill himself ... Problem.

 

so can we please stop the "if a space money said he was sent from god and spoke to your next door neighbor but you didn't believe him and he said he was going to kill himself because of that that is ok?" examples.

 

what i said first are the only two "examples" that actually matter in this equation everything else you're spewing is just nonsense because you really don't have an answer for what i said.

 

i have to ask ... are you drunk?

Fact one, the individual was was "targeted" didn't really care, it was "hurtful" Lots of things in games are hurtful, more so in EVE.
They didn't kill themselves, maybe alex called his bluff or not , how knows, doesn't it matter? No, because the fact is its not his job to care. If someone playing a game threatens you with suicide to save their ship , they desirve it. I would call that BS everyday. That person has no right to threaten you with their life. A point i attepmted to convay via examples. All correct mind you.

All the examples matter for a simple reason , they are all the same act. Thats the point of them. See you guys want to some how limit the implications of your manufactured rage. But you cannot because I am calling you on it.  You cannot have it boths ways, either the action is wrong or its not, the medium doesn't matter.

To your example , yes its ok. Becuase your are not in control of anothers actions. (Wow the first person in this thread to attempt a stright answer, might you be spining sir?).

Now i do not mind EVE taking action, however, it should be of approprate nature. Like sorry braw, no more fan fest speeches for you. That is logical.

So what are the facts agian?

Guy 1 threatens self inflicted bodily harm if Guy 2 doesn't do what he says?  Correct?

Guy 2 goes to a fan meeting and says check this guy out look how he attempted to get out of the destruction of his ship, lets all destory his in game stuff and given him a reason to kill himself? Correct?

Yeah i have no issue with guy 2 calling out guy 1's threat, with his own. Mental issues or not.

 

If someone says they will kill themself if I blow up their ship it is not wrong to blow up their ship. If I then go to a public event and announce on video that if you want to get that individual to kill himself then you should all blow his ship up in game then that is wrong. Which bit of that is causing you trouble?

All of it , or what?

Why do you feel that way?

Situation 1, "If someone says they will kill themself if I blow up their ship it is not wrong to blow up their ship." -  and someone kills themself , thats ok ?

thats not your problem

Situation 2  "If I then go to a public event and announce on video that if you want to get that individual to kill himself then you should all blow his ship up in game then that is wrong." and if they kill themself , thats not ok?

giving the guys ingame name and telling the audience that they should try to get him to kill himself makes you a douchebag and is a problem

You have to see the hypocrisy here. Its ok to kill the ship and have them kill themself, but not ok to encourage others to kill the ship and have them kill THEMSELF (caps just so you get the point of who is killing who).

I can't believe you can't see the difference between the two. hopefully those two sentences above in yellow you will read REAL slow and actually comprehend them ... doubt it but I will keep trying

 

Well theres no point in contiuing,  One day you'll learn that killing some one and hiring someone to kill them the same thing. Both actions were equal, one of them just bothers some moral code you learned somewhere, which is fine, but not logical or fair;   until then peace.

Also your still missing the intent, context and subtext my friend.

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by RefMinor
It's funny how even the Mittani admits what he did was wrong and yet people here keep trying to justify it, i wonder why they just dont let the story die rather than endlessly post about how a man who admitted he did something wrong did nothing wrong.

I'm not seeing the 'nothing wrong'.

What is upsetting is not actually getting the story right by the various news sites as PER THIS ARTICLE.

You did read the article right? :(

i guess wrong is a gerneric term.

Its it nice, no, tastless yes. Moral no. Evil, nope. Wrong? jundgement call. He felt bad about it, for him he feels its not acceptable behavior, thats fine (well after the hounds are after you you start diaphoresis) . To me i find no logical reason to judge him as far has native/human rights he hasn't violated any and is in the moral right there.

Ecoes, refer to post 150 , your narative contains no understanding of context or subtext.

Alex isn't saying get this guy to kill himself, he is saying make this guy pay for using a mental health issue as a threat to save his ship or for being a bixxh. Thats context and subtext, like i could say i love bananas in the store and that would be fine. If i say it in a gym's male shower room it might mean something different.

But alex is goona (dasa a pun) say he is sorry, the manufactured rage everyone is so afraid of wins, he will step lightly on the issue, just like everyone else.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by Ecoces

or we can cut out all the bullshit analogies and go on facts ....

if the guy told Mittiani that he was going to kill himself because of Mittanis actions and did so ... no problem

going to a public forum and telling those in attendance that they may be able to get this guy to kill himself ... Problem.

 

so can we please stop the "if a space money said he was sent from god and spoke to your next door neighbor but you didn't believe him and he said he was going to kill himself because of that that is ok?" examples.

 

what i said first are the only two "examples" that actually matter in this equation everything else you're spewing is just nonsense because you really don't have an answer for what i said.

 

i have to ask ... are you drunk?

Fact one, the individual was was "targeted" didn't really care, it was "hurtful" Lots of things in games are hurtful, more so in EVE.
They didn't kill themselves, maybe alex called his bluff or not , how knows, doesn't it matter? No, because the fact is its not his job to care. If someone playing a game threatens you with suicide to save their ship , they desirve it. I would call that BS everyday. That person has no right to threaten you with their life. A point i attepmted to convay via examples. All correct mind you.

All the examples matter for a simple reason , they are all the same act. Thats the point of them. See you guys want to some how limit the implications of your manufactured rage. But you cannot because I am calling you on it.  You cannot have it boths ways, either the action is wrong or its not, the medium doesn't matter.

To your example , yes its ok. Becuase your are not in control of anothers actions. (Wow the first person in this thread to attempt a stright answer, might you be spining sir?).

Now i do not mind EVE taking action, however, it should be of approprate nature. Like sorry braw, no more fan fest speeches for you. That is logical.

So what are the facts agian?

Guy 1 threatens self inflicted bodily harm if Guy 2 doesn't do what he says?  Correct?

Guy 2 goes to a fan meeting and says check this guy out look how he attempted to get out of the destruction of his ship, lets all destory his in game stuff and given him a reason to kill himself? Correct?

Yeah i have no issue with guy 2 calling out guy 1's threat, with his own. Mental issues or not.

 

If someone says they will kill themself if I blow up their ship it is not wrong to blow up their ship. If I then go to a public event and announce on video that if you want to get that individual to kill himself then you should all blow his ship up in game then that is wrong. Which bit of that is causing you trouble?

All of it , or what?

Why do you feel that way?

Situation 1, "If someone says they will kill themself if I blow up their ship it is not wrong to blow up their ship." -  and someone kills themself , thats ok ?

Situation 2  "If I then go to a public event and announce on video that if you want to get that individual to kill himself then you should all blow his ship up in game then that is wrong." and if they kill themself , thats not ok?

1 - You have acted on someone stating i am going to kill myself if you. You WILLINGLY CHOOSE TO TAKE THAT ACTION, if you BELIEVED that person you just gave them reason to kill themself.  - Outcome: they are dead you evaulated your action agianst the possbility of suicide and took that risk.

2- Already have decieding this individual is lieing (otherwise they are dead, because they killed themselves), you encourgae others to make that person pay for using the threat of suicde to save their digital ship.  - Outcome:  They were lieing, or using a half truth to threaten you and well they are not going to kill themselves (NOTE THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT OCCURED) , or they killed themself because of the increased level of stress and harasment acting on pre-existing plan and desire to kill oneself. 

You have to see the hypocrisy here. Its ok to kill the ship and have them kill themself, but not ok to encourage others to kill the ship and have them kill THEMSELF (caps just so you get the point of who is killing who).

Originally posted by Ecoces

or we can cut out all the bullshit analogies and go on facts ....

if the guy told Mittiani that he was going to kill himself because of Mittanis actions and did so ... no problem

going to a public forum and telling those in attendance that they may be able to get this guy to kill himself ... Problem.

 

so can we please stop the "if a space money said he was sent from god and spoke to your next door neighbor but you didn't believe him and he said he was going to kill himself because of that that is ok?" examples.

 

what i said first are the only two "examples" that actually matter in this equation everything else you're spewing is just nonsense because you really don't have an answer for what i said.

 

i have to ask ... are you drunk?

Fact one, the individual was was "targeted" didn't really care, it was "hurtful" Lots of things in games are hurtful, more so in EVE.
They didn't kill themselves, maybe alex called his bluff or not , how knows, doesn't it matter? No, because the fact is its not his job to care. If someone playing a game threatens you with suicide to save their ship , they desirve it. I would call that BS everyday. That person has no right to threaten you with their life. A point i attepmted to convay via examples. All correct mind you.

All the examples matter for a simple reason , they are all the same act. Thats the point of them. See you guys want to some how limit the implications of your manufactured rage. But you cannot because I am calling you on it.  You cannot have it boths ways, either the action is wrong or its not, the medium doesn't matter.

To your example , yes its ok. Becuase your are not in control of anothers actions. (Wow the first person in this thread to attempt a stright answer, might you be spining sir?).

Now i do not mind EVE taking action, however, it should be of approprate nature. Like sorry braw, no more fan fest speeches for you. That is logical.

So what are the facts agian?

Guy 1 threatens self inflicted bodily harm if Guy 2 doesn't do what he says?  Correct?

Guy 2 goes to a fan meeting and says check this guy out look how he attempted to get out of the destruction of his ship, lets all destory his in game stuff and given him a reason to kill himself? Correct?

Yeah i have no issue with guy 2 calling out guy 1's threat, with his own. Mental issues or not.

Answer that. The guy is not dead from everything i know /read about it.

Because this is not part of the narative you know its a witch hunt. But dead or not doesn't change the actions of Alex (It goes both ways, and I am fair enough and in touch with reality enough to admit that).

Originally posted by RefMinor

 

Personally, I believe doing anything in the hope that it gets someone to kill the self is wrong, you seem to think differently.

Now your guilty as Alex.  His real mistake is he assumed the guys he was talking to in-game was talking BS, and wanted to just save his ship (which is partly true, but this individual was also unblanced and sucidal).

Now your assuming alex did  "anything in the hope that it gets someone to kill the self" . What factual bases do you conclude this on? About the same level that Alex thought that guy was actually suicidal.

How do you defend your statements? If anything its pretty clear alex didn't think the individual was going to kill himself, and thought he was being a Bixxh (Here is the kicker he didn't). Nope didn't kill themsleves, didn't even really mind it it was "hurtful" Rofl, ahaha hurtful. Your allowed to be hurtful. There is my point. Its acceptable, maybe not desireable, but acceptable to be hurtful. Well unless you live in a place that requires you to be resposible for others actions and never be hurtful. PS can i have your dog now, if not ill be hurt.

But yeah you want blood i get it, i get it. Its just not acceptable when its suicde or when a person is "hurt"? So are you ready to give me your dog yet?  You are not resposible for others actions. (More so, alex and goon really didn't do much to this guy, did that seem to slip the naritive some how?) Like i said please stick to reality.

Your not really addressing any logical or moral arguement i have made only bypassing them making new statements or claiming i having read (not why, only that i didn't).

For good measure, did you even read any of my posts?

Originally posted by Ecoces

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by Uhwop

One of the first things I was told when i joined Goonswarm, was to kill myself.

ISP providers should give every person who gets an internet connection a box of tissues.

Wait i am resposible for you.

Do you still feel the need to kill youself now?

How about in the last month?

Do you have a plan?

 

(I hate this, this shit is serious. But people are just so warped by this PC crap and bloodthristy to blame someone (in the name of justice), they get to thinking things like that is never acceptable. And you cannot say that. Or your actions have consequences, even if they are driven by a maligned understanding of reality and personal resposibility; which insure someone pays, we don't look at the real issue, and no one in power get sued).

 

now you're not even trying to read what people are saying are you?

Ecoces how could you be so incensitive, didn't you read, he was told to kill himself. We have to make sure he doesn't. I mean who knows maybe that statement made him want too.

Ecoces are you saying that you don't want him to get help? What?

Ecoces are you ignorning his situation , he said he was told to kill himself. And you want to ignore that?

(Maybe i am reading, maybe your ability to read subtext is lacking. 

See, if guy 1 can threaten to kill himself as a way to attempt to save his ship and guy 2 says tuff and for that i am going to encourage others to pod you also, so go ahead. And this all leads to guy 2 being a bad bad boy. Then, ignoring people told to kill themsleves without making sure they are ok, is as bad as guy 2. You as bad as guy 2. If this is the logic we are applying.  He encouraged it your turning a blind eye to it [if your going to hold guy 2 resposible for guy 1's actions, then saving someone encouraged to kill themselves would also be our resposibility]).

(I know its not simple, but this isn't about what you want, or how you feel, its about right and wrongs, and a person's duty to society, i guess).

Originally posted by Ecoces

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Jetrpg

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What a bunch of BULL. You wanna kill yourself.... ok. What does that have to do with a guy playing a game...  

 

The issue is that someone took a point, the guy telling the goon he had suicidal thoughts, that as you yourself say has nothing to do with playing a game, and rather than just ignore it and continue to play the game and hitting the other guys in game assets using Internet spaceships, called the guys in game name out whilst being broadcast live on a CCP public platform and told people if they wanted to get him to kill himself to hit him in game. You tell me what the point was?

Yeah you wrong. You might not want to be but you are.

Guy 1 is MENTALLY UNSTABLE.

gUY 2'S JOB /DUTY IS NOT THE KEPPER OF GUY 1.

Guy 1 wants to do whatever in EVE , he gets caught / begs using im am gonna kill myself if you kill me.

Guy 2 .. too bad shut the f up, no special treatment.

Guy 1 no really i will

Guy 2 hey everyone kill this xxxxx whever you see him for trying to blackmail my ass into not killing him with threat of suicide.

.. yeah totally guy 2's fault .

Come down to earth. If this is the standard then even should remove all action able to upset other players from the game. I mean if you really wanted not to upset the person planning to kill themselves.

Guy 2 doesn't need to care and shouldn't , i mean if he should i should be able to walk up to your house and say let me take you tv or ill kill myself. Your wife? Your dog?  I mean you wouldn't want me to kill myself, would you?  In this case it is at least obvious that i am imbalanced, in This situation in EVE there is no way anyone could have know or should have know.

Don't kill my lvlv 100 orc in wow or ill kill myself. Get a grip, this is BULL.

 

Did you actually read my post?

Yeah the point was, he doesn't need to care about x guy in a game threating to kill himself. There ya go there is the reality of it.

 

its one thing not to care in game about  someone threatening suicide, its another thing to go to a public forum and tell others to try and get the guy to commit suicide.

 

i can't believe people don't see the difference.

 

as i said before Mittani could have killed this dude 100 times and have the police find the guy a week later dead with a suicide not saying "he killed himself because of Mittani". I would have sided with Mittani however when he went to this public forum and told the people in attendance the guys ingame name and said they should try to get him to commit suicide, that is completely mittanis fault.

 

 Ok lets get this squared up.

If in-game Mittani said, hey guys there is a xxxx over here threating to kill himself in an attempt not to get podded, lets pod him till he does. That us ok ? According to you and that one other guy in this thread.

Now if i am in at a get together and say the other day this xxxx over here threating to kill himself in an attempt not to get podded, lets pod him till he does. That us NOT ok ? According to you and that one other guy in this thread.

Now if i am using a video chat  and say the other day this xxxx over here threating to kill himself in an attempt not to get podded, lets pod him till he does. That is NOT ok ? According to you and that one other guy in this thread.

Now if i am in a voice chat and say the other day this xxxx over here threating to kill himself in an attempt not to get podded, lets pod him till he does. That is ok ? According to you and that one other guy in this thread.

Do you understand the things coming out of your heads via your fingers?

Lets try this.

If in real life, someone called you on a blocked number and said, transfer xxxxx amount of funds to xxxxx account in the caymens or ill kill myself. And you said f'ing do it prixx. Thats ok? But  if you told someone else in real life to tell that azz to go ahead and do it. That is not ok?

Seems like a rather weak/ non-existant distinction.

Plus its a game, remember Mittani only encouraged in-game actions. Thus i think your premise is faulty. As in game or out, only in-game actions as part of regular EVE game play were encouraged.

Originally posted by Uhwop

One of the first things I was told when i joined Goonswarm, was to kill myself.

ISP providers should give every person who gets an internet connection a box of tissues.

Wait i am resposible for you.

Do you still feel the need to kill youself now?

How about in the last month?

Do you have a plan?

(I hate this, this shit is serious. But people are just so warped by this PC crap and bloodthristy to blame someone (in the name of justice), they get to thinking things like that is never acceptable. And you cannot say that. Or your actions have consequences, even if they are driven by a maligned understanding of reality and personal resposibility; which insure someone pays, we don't look at the real issue, and no one in power get sued).

Originally posted by RizelStar

Originally posted by Jetrpg

...

I'll add one of my own.

The class system is shit. It 100% undeiniable. People atm might think nahh its not that bad... believe me you'll see that it is after a month or two.

It easy to understand why tho. Lack of diversity. Which seems odd seeing as every classes is massivly diverse, with the ability to fullfill any role or the lack there of roles. In this way there is no real diversity between classes in function, just play (which is at least nice).

They should have just taken another page from old mmos and made highly diverse and specializable classes/characters. (So that there is a reason to work together for greater outcome, there is replay value, and from one toon to the next the game experinces differs largely).

 

Da hell? lol

 

Roles, i think stuctured roles are important.

Dps, healer, cc, buff, tank, etc.

These allow for a greater varity of experince with in a single game. As you roll new character to experince them, which keeps people playing the game longer. Also because these classes with structured roles are just a part of the equation it means grouping is highly advantagious, thus encouraging group play .

More?

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Jetrpg

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What a bunch of BULL. You wanna kill yourself.... ok. What does that have to do with a guy playing a game...  

 

The issue is that someone took a point, the guy telling the goon he had suicidal thoughts, that as you yourself say has nothing to do with playing a game, and rather than just ignore it and continue to play the game and hitting the other guys in game assets using Internet spaceships, called the guys in game name out whilst being broadcast live on a CCP public platform and told people if they wanted to get him to kill himself to hit him in game. You tell me what the point was?

Yeah you wrong. You might not want to be but you are.

Guy 1 is MENTALLY UNSTABLE.

gUY 2'S JOB /DUTY IS NOT THE KEPPER OF GUY 1.

Guy 1 wants to do whatever in EVE , he gets caught / begs using im am gonna kill myself if you kill me.

Guy 2 .. too bad shut the f up, no special treatment.

Guy 1 no really i will

Guy 2 hey everyone kill this xxxxx whever you see him for trying to blackmail my ass into not killing him with threat of suicide.

.. yeah totally guy 2's fault .

Come down to earth. If this is the standard then even should remove all action able to upset other players from the game. I mean if you really wanted not to upset the person planning to kill themselves.

Guy 2 doesn't need to care and shouldn't , i mean if he should i should be able to walk up to your house and say let me take you tv or ill kill myself. Your wife? Your dog?  I mean you wouldn't want me to kill myself, would you?  In this case it is at least obvious that i am imbalanced, in This situation in EVE there is no way anyone could have know or should have know.

Don't kill my lvlv 100 orc in wow or ill kill myself. Get a grip, this is BULL.

 

Did you actually read my post?

Yeah the point was, he doesn't need to care about x guy in a game threating to kill himself. There ya go there is the reality of it.

Here if you keep um , disagreeing with me ill kill myself.

Do i win now? For real tho. Do i win  now?

See its not your job to know or care. You are allowed to care, but not required to care. When people say shit such as, my mercs will get you, hey hello please don't kill me im a nut short and will kill myself if you do so, i'll make you payyyyyyyyyyyyy. You can kill them and encourage whoever, however you like to kill them also.

In games that do not allow harasment of characters you can be banned. EVE allows and even encourages such acitivites. Sorry but you cannot be held accountable for others actions that are outside of the norm.

Such as maybe now this thread as encouraged me to beat my dog (out of rage and self loathing) are you know responisble? Even tho i warned you i am bit unstable?

edit- im not really gonna do this shit - duh (but how do you know?)

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Jetrpg

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What a bunch of BULL. You wanna kill yourself.... ok. What does that have to do with a guy playing a game...  

 

The issue is that someone took a point, the guy telling the goon he had suicidal thoughts, that as you yourself say has nothing to do with playing a game, and rather than just ignore it and continue to play the game and hitting the other guys in game assets using Internet spaceships, called the guys in game name out whilst being broadcast live on a CCP public platform and told people if they wanted to get him to kill himself to hit him in game. You tell me what the point was?

Yeah you wrong. You might not want to be but you are.

Guy 1 is MENTALLY UNSTABLE.

gUY 2'S JOB /DUTY IS NOT THE KEPPER OF GUY 1.

Guy 1 wants to do whatever in EVE , he gets caught / begs using im am gonna kill myself if you kill me.

Guy 2 .. too bad shut the f up, no special treatment.

Guy 1 no really i will

Guy 2 hey everyone kill this xxxxx whever you see him for trying to blackmail my ass into not killing him with threat of suicide.

.. yeah totally guy 2's fault .

Come down to earth. If this is the standard then even should remove all action able to upset other players from the game. I mean if you really wanted not to upset the person planning to kill themselves.

Guy 2 doesn't need to care and shouldn't , i mean if he should i should be able to walk up to your house and say let me take you tv or ill kill myself. Your wife? Your dog?  I mean you wouldn't want me to kill myself, would you?  In this case it is at least obvious that i am imbalanced, in This situation in EVE there is no way anyone could have know or should have know.

Don't kill my lvlv 100 orc in wow or ill kill myself. Get a grip, this is BULL.

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You can steal, lie, and kill people in game.. don't tell them to f off when they threaten to kill themselves however....

What a bunch of BULL. You wanna kill yourself.... ok. What does that have to do with a guy playing a game... well he took your stuff (as the game intended) well maybe he should give it back. YEAh No more pvp in EVE, no more stealing, no more anything. Wouldn't want people killing themselves.

Hes a tip no one kills themselves because one person was mean to them , or because they got ganked, shit stolen, etc. They kill themselves because they want to (just like i want pancakes even though I am putting on weight and its not good for me, its their perception) and people who kill themselves have long histories detailing such events/feelings; not one guy making fun of someone else.

There are few exceptions such as drug use (rarely do ninjas pop out of trees and force you to take these with the extremely off chance it puts you in a state of mind where suicide is actionable), and mental breaks which are genetic/rare/unknown in cause. But they are not do to a external event per-say, as any mental health person will tell you (worth a pinch of salt), if it wasn't that it will be another thing later that sets them off. (This often causes many family members to struggle with feelings of responsibility, as they frequently blame themselves, when it would have happened, over split milk eventually).

Now there are patterns of abuse, etc. that can increase a person risk of suicide, but these don't include people on the internet making fun your your spin toward death. See the spin toward death part is already there. And its not the job of the everyone to stop others from killing themselves (Despite what a religious bible thumper may tell you, oh and people attempting to capitalize on someones misfortune or blame someone else; because you know I would hate for CCP to have to deal with the fact that their game OPENLY ALLOWS PLAYERS TO ROB OTHER PLAYERS OF IN GAME ITEMS THAT TAKES MUTIPLE PEOPLE YEARS OF REAL LIFE TIME TO AMASS.... nonono its HIS fault).

See how that works, its called figure pointing, next time lets be rational and look at the situation and reality of it (should I even call for it, will anyone answer?).

There ya go EVE is a game for people who wish to deal in realities. Lets not change this because one person decided to change their own.

This may seem callous, but its accurate. When did political correctness replace REALITY.

All this being said please if you wanna kill yourself, seek help; they have wonderful drugs now, they come out with new ones all the time. I have distant family members who wanna kill other people without them, and on them no issues. I know others who sign praises of the treatment they receive for their mental health issues and seen it turn around many relationships, too.

But you simply cannot prevent these action by banning speech or bullying, if anything it makes identifying behaviors harder and doesn't prepare such individuals to deal with conflict while/ before they become more sensitized. (Children are rarely suicidal pre-puberty, and up to their 20's remain low risk).

I also don't like how the elderly's rate are high often do to informed decisions on their part (I tend to let others judge for themselves, but i don't have the audacity to tell others whats best for them [if they are informed and have though on an issue]). Oh well, i guess that is another taboo topic. Note though, many of this age's groups suicides are at least contributed by chemical changes in the body, which often can be treated easily with supplements/replacements, thought it appropriate to mention this for anyone who knows someone in such a situation, lab work (extensive) can often indicate this (and in these cases are far more effective than “mood” pills will far less side effects).

Before people get on their high horse (because they have been told over and over about the evils of bullying) please do look into studies examining suicide that control for depression and such behaviors. You'll find no SSD and or no power. On top of that a question, was it the chicken or the egg?

Ill take ACTUAL readings, scientific measurements (if not totally controlled), over manufacturer's Ratings anyday. Similarly, i can see the flop rate and its computing power of two videos cards , cpus, etc. And the highest isn't always the best preformer. Well By that rating it should be.

This isn't to say the rating is wrong. Only that i feel actual measurements seem more controlled/ accurate.

Tho i totally, believe the 570 has higher power consumption, just would have used sources to prove that , or tell them to google it some more.

Ps- edit- Power consuption is a joke, picking one or another gpu using that as a metric is silly.

It most likely has a junk mebo, But agian your major bottle neck is you video card. Pivk up one of those i linked you'll be good (of course do look to make sure your power supply has a 6 pin, if not sure find out the band name of it and model number and ask in ther HARDWARE section of the forums)

Pretty sure full VO are the largest waste of money and most expesive. Why, well you still have to make quests. And on top of that you still have to write the VO, etc.