Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by damian7

i'm reading thru the current features available to me ingame.  as a player of darkfall, i'm curious as to what exactly is being advertised on the official, updated website?

 

Explore five continents, countless small islands, trackless underwater depths, and a sprawling underworld. Hundreds of dungeons and adventure areas await. <<since they mention these items.. doesn't that mean something worthwhile exists in these areas? what is underwater, in regards to exploration and adventure? hundreds of dungeons and adventure areas? i take adventure areas to be like... a fort with trolls or elves in it... hundreds??? where's my hundreds???

Five continents, countless small islands, i personally have seen underwater chests and some underwater creatures. There are also dungeons with monsters in them, nearly very of the countless island has mobs on it... check. 

i have personally been to many islands which are completely barren as far as interactable items and mobs.  i have seen sharks and sea monsters and maybe two underwater chests close to land.  i do not consider this to be "trackless underwater depths".  very little in the way of underwater adventure exists.  there may be a hundred dungeons+adventure areas; but nowhere close to hundreds (plural)

this statement is VERY lacking and lackluster.  this does not mean darkfall is a bad game.  but it does overhype the game to new players.  player expectations will be artificially high, from reading "features" such as this, and will be disappointed when they discover that there really isn't wonderful underwater adventures awaiting them.  very few games have anything to do underwater.  even wow has more underwater adventures (i.e. cities, quests, variety of mobs, etc) than darkfall.  if we're counting the sharks/sea monsters in darkfall, then wow has a bazillion items more.

this is an area in which darkfall has severaly let us down.

hundreds of encounters?  the thing everyone complains about is that there's hardly any mobs ingame.  if you count every single mob encounter; sure, you might have a couple of hundred.  is that how darkfall defines "dungeon" and "adventure area"?  every single mob encounter?

again, a great and severe let down.

Play any of Agon's six dominant races. Each race has a unique set of abilities, as well as its own civilization, culture, and way of life. <<< unique set of abiltieis? like the wolf guys running as fast as a horsey? oh wait... that doesn't exist. what are my unique racial abilties again?
 

there are six races on Agon you can chose from, each race starts with different set of  attributes, the home areas looking different and even the city look different .-..check

are you stating that because my race is a different physical size, and starts with different stat levels... THAT counts as "each race has a unique set of abilities"?  this is obviously not what darkfall devs intended, as they did state items (giving only ONE such example) as mahirim being able to run as fast as a mount, if they drop to all 4s.  based upon that statement - different physical sizes and starting stats should NOT be counted in the "unique SET of abilties".  if that IS what darkfall devs intended --  again, this is a HUGE let down.  player expectations need to be set appropriately.

instead of "each race has a unique set of abilities" it should read something like "each race is a different height, and each race starts with different stat points"... the official statement and what is in game is  very different.  as a player, i am incredibly disappointed that there are NO "unique" sets of abilities for each race.

 

Meet hundreds of unique monsters, and take them on in their lairs, strongholds and domains. Repetitive monster encounters are a thing of the past.  <<< hundreds of unique monsters?  repetitive monster encounters are a thing of the past?  where are my hundreds of uniques and my non-repetitive encounters?

There are a various of different monsters i personally have encountered, i also still NOT have seen all of them and not counted all of them. Every encounter is different.... check

i see lots of random mobs.  i don't see hundreds of uniques, i don't even see dozens of uniques.

if i wipe out a bunch of npc elves.. the same elves respawn.  maybe it's one more druid, this time, one less druid next time -- but they reappear either in the same spot, or feet away from where the previous mob spawned.  i can sit on a rooftop and snipe the same elves all day long.

this is the definition of a repetitive encounter.  orcs never spawn where the elves spawn, nor do anything else - it is always elves (or orcs, or tigers, or whatever is spawning there - it is always the same mob spawning)... 

the mobs always spawn in the same location.  if i defeat them all, i do not have to move from my present location - they WILL respawn where i can continue to attack them, in the same areas they have been respawning all day.

this IS repetitive monster encounters.

if you are attesting that "oh 6 elves spawned this time, instead of 7 elves like last time" and saying THAT means it is NON-repetitive monster encounters - then you are being very nitpicky.  that is not the spirit of what is stated, that is a perverted twist on what is stated - it is very misleading.

if that is what you are espousing; then, player expectations NEED to be reset in regards to these non-repetitive monster encounters... "mobs will respawn in the same general area, and may have 1 or 2 more/less than the last respawn" <<< this is an accurate statement as to what happens.  this is nowhere near the claim of "repetitive monster encounters are a thing of the past".

i am NOT nitpicking words.  i am reading IN CONTEXT, statements which are completely inaccurate.

this is another area that is HORRIBLY wrong and completely misleading.  yet, you defend it.  this statement is a complete lie - repetitive monster encounters are ALL you encounter.  ask anyone that plays if they see different mob types (i.e. elves instead of trolls or tigers,  - a different mob type) spawn... or if they farm a particular spot, for hours, days, even weeks -- do those mobs ever move to another location?  i speak from experience - no, they do not... not even if they are farmed at LEAST 16 hours a day, for the past 2+ months.

Experience a world brought to life by real-world physics and dynamic lighting and shadows. Watch trees and grass sway in the wind as sunlight peeks through passing clouds. Observe the movements of Agon's twin moons, which are part of a dynamic planetary system with smooth day/night cycles. Sail your ship through rough seas, then become hampered by fog as the waters calm. Struggle as your battlefield-bound army marches into a severe storm. In Darkfall, the weather is more than just window dressing.   <<< um, where is all this weather that has such crazy affects on warfare (both land and sea)... i mean, the weather in darkfall is more than just window dressing... why is it that a wind which can move a huge 200'+ tall tree, at its base... doesn't even mess up the hair on my character?  i mean... wind that can move that tree, at its base... is hurricane cat 5 if not 6...

Dynamic light and shadows is top notch, trees and grass sway in the wind, sunlight peeks through passing clouds. Agons twin moons move over the sky and there is day and night cycles..check

wind effect on arrows and ships missing , but dont care cause of what has been delivered to me.

what you care for, or do not care for is IRRELEVANT, it does not matter, it has no bearing here. at all. period. there is no weather.  the official site SPECIFICALLY states that storms will adversely affect naval battles and fog cound hinder a ground army.  these items simply do not exist.

wind is unrealistic, for the reason i pointed out - huge tree swaying at the base, but doesn't affect characters or ANYTHING else in game, in the slightest whit. 

did i say anything about twin moons or day and night cycle?  i have never heard that the existence of moon(s) or day and night existing - referred to as weather.  i specifically mentioned the specific items i quoted - weather.  weather and its affects on warfare.

you admit that wind doesn't affect anything.  so even with your ignoring the specific examples the site gives - you admit this feature is missing, all the while attesting (that items i agree exist) night and day exist.

yes, night and day and moons exist.  this has no bearing on WEATHER existing.

please at least once, stick to the points being made and questioned.  if i ask you what time of day it is, and you respond with "i like apples"; then, should i take you seriously?  that is exactly what you continue to do every time you've posted.

Uncover the mysteries of an ancient civilization, which left more than just ruins for later generations to discover. Untold riches and incredible power is the prize, as you join the race to claim an age-old inheritance  << a number of us have traveled far and wide... wtf does this statement refer to?  has anyone found ANY of this?

There are ruins everywhere pointing to ancient civilizations...check

ruins, sure... what is there?  what age-old inheritance am i discovering and trying to recover?  what untold riches and incredible power???  where's the "check" for those items?  you put "check" by everything.  to me "check" means that these items exist.  most of the times you put "check", the items i'm questioning DO NOT EXIST.

"check" obviously does not mean what you think it means.  or you're simply lying. 

You don?t have to spend endless hours playing in order to enjoy yourself, or to become successful. Even if you only play in small doses, your character can be effective within his chosen field, and a lot of fun to play. Whether you?re looking for intense involvement or just casual fun without a huge time investment, Darkfall accommodates your playing style.   <<< actual experience playing ingame proves this statement to be false.  in order to be successful, in pretty much any field, you have to macro for days/weeks.  if someone has experiences that contradict these experiences of myself (and clan/alliance m8s of mine); please post the examples, not just "nuh huh, you're wrong"... cuz it's rigor pyramids, walls of pain, swimming/running/sprinting/crouchwalking while at work/sleep, and all sorts of other macroing, in order to be considered successful in darkfall.

if you want to beat everyone , everywhere and be master of all you have to invest time, that is MMORPG rule. The description is accurate if you not misuse the freedom is given to you by the game to try to outgrind but just play the game set your goals and try to accomplish them. Also what you admit about yourself and what you did ingame, jesus, i hope we got rid of you cause  you  and your friends/clan are macroer/exploiter..

 what clan do you play in?  every clan i have run across, friend or foe - has exploited to the fullest, and CONTINUES TO THIS DAY with walls of pain, afk swimming/running/crouchwalking, and every other exploit and macro they can use to get an edge.

why?

BECAUSE THIS IS A PVP GAME - THE ONLY WAY YOU WIN IS TO GET BETTER STATS, HIGHER SKILL LEVELS, BETTER GEAR AND HIGHER NUMBERS.

it is a nonstop competition.  your statements above, are completely carebear. 

 

In Darkfall, there?s much more to character development than, say, raising your riding or mining skill by mindlessly killing rats all day. Instead, you'll need to practice your skills if you want to get better at them. Darkfall?s skill based system makes sense, and it saves you from having to waste your playing time leveling.   << again, from actually playing the game, all i do is level my character.  every 25 points of a skill, you get the message "your skill X has increased to a new level".  everyone shoots for the skill 75+ area of skills.  so it's just a bunch of macroing to get to that level.  the core of the game is sieging (i.e. taking and holding territory), you NEED to have high levels of combat skills (both attack and defense) in order to be successful at sieging.  yes, a lot of zerging happens... a lot of zergers also have high levels in their skils.

See you want all the goodies of the game the fast posiible way, insta gratification WoW type of gamer.   Why you not explore, have fun with clan events, etc. YOU do something wrong with he freedom is given to you, its not games fault.

YOU want to be high level during sieges the fastest possible way , YOU macro / exploit, YOU want to beat everyone you meet atleast at sieges and YOU DONT play the game and let the skill raiseby playing.

 

everyone the holds a city or hamlet, exploits and macros and grinds nonstop.  you obviously either do not play, or are part of a clan that holds NOTHING.  this is a competitive pvp game - PLAYER VS PLAYER... if you have 100 str and i have 25 str, if you have 100 in 1h sword MASTERY, 100 parry, and i have 20 in each (cuz i just "play the game" and "exploit npcs for gold"); then, you will whoop my ass, no matter my personal/player skill. 

You will never have to re-roll your character again. With Darkfall?s flexible character development system, your character simply adapts to the choices you make for him. We give you hundreds of skills to learn and master, and around a hundred Prestige classes to further specialize in.   << what prestige classes?

Prestige classes have been put aside a year prior relöease and announcced to the playerbase.

this does not exist.  these features are complete lies.  a reasonable person DOES expect to go to a game's official site (especially a game which can only be purchased online and only delivered via direct download... versus going to a store and buying a box) - to be ACCURATE.  this statement is completely a lie.  this WAS a unique feature; but, like all the other unique features advertised (either currently or in the past) -- it has been removed from the game. 

You have the freedom to follow the rules, or to break them and face the consequences. Darkfall?s Alignment system is hard but fair.  << um... big deal, i become "evil" and i can't go to the starter areas... is there something in the starter areas that i care about?  i don't understand how this alignment system matters at all.

You cant go to the starter areas PLUS anyone can get alignment out of you. If you can live with that ok for you. For the majority of people it matters.

why would it matter to the majority of people?  the MAJORITY of players are in clans... they either control, or are allied to someone who controls - a hamlet or a city OR they hang out at a chaos city.  other than to PK noobs, i can not recall anyone in clan, or clan alliance chat - stating they were going to a starter town for ANYTHING... even chaos towns offer everything you can get from a start town.

the facts of how clans associate/ally themselves in the player cities, player hamlets, and chaos towns - disproves the need to EVER visit a starter town.  and if you're some noob type (eternal noobs even), and you're hiding in a starter town -- you won't be pking anyone anyways.

alignment system is completely useless.  i stand by this.  the amount of players NOT in starter towns, further proves the point.

Multiple safeguards protect you from cheats and exploits that would otherwise interfere with your gaming experience.  << this is about the most inaccurate statement so far -- speed hacks, piggy backing, flying ships, et cetera...

I dont have experienced  any hacks, in my clan 2 people have experienced hacks in 4 months, you description about the extension of the problem is highly unaccurate.  

every single siege i have been in... at the LEAST, i have seen 1-4 people piggy backing.  that is not an intended feature of the game.  that is a HACK.  you haven't seen youtube videos of flying ships?  if someone can fly away in your ship; then, why would you ever bring a ship to battle?  how many ships have been involved in battles since that video?

the fact that you do not engage in the core of the game - sieging; does not change the fact about the prevelance  of hacks in the game.  tbqh - from all your statements, i am beginning to believe if you ARE in a clan, it is a very tiny clan which does not hold any territory and does not ever siege.

 

In Darkfall, all items in the world can be made by the players. << this is simply a lie.

Weapons, armor, food, healing potions, ships, cannons,warhulks, buildings isn't enough for you.

These isnt a lie, it describes what you can expect in Darfall pretty much.

do you understand what the word "all" means?  if you do - then you are lying.

why?

it is a simple statement.  what furniture can i create? what statues can i create? curtains? rugs? silverware? plates? candles? torches (to be mounted on walls), the list goes on and on.

this is a lie.  you can not create ALL items in the world.  uo -- you can make most all items in the world, lots of the above.  darkfall does not come anywhere near this claim.

so, you defending it, is also a lie.

stop lying.

Darkfall?s crafting system is intuitive, non-repetitive, challenging, useful, fun - and profitable. Using Darkfall?s virtually limitless item creator system, you could invent and be the first to use a weapon as awesome as the Flamefury Raudstaal Battleaxe of Bloodshed, or just make a simple saddle for your horse.   << the bolded, italicized, underlined portion is simply a lie.

it is a repetive task and it is simple, but it also is intuitive  ,usefull and fun   and you simply lie

 wow... what exactly is intuitive, useful and fun about sitting there for 5-20+ seconds... clicking a button. waiting 5-20+ seconds again... clicking a button.  rinse, repeat.

are you centering in on "useful" and ignoring intuitive, non-repetitive, challenging, and fun?  notice how i don't edit out words that don't EXACTLY support my statements.  yes, it is useful to a point.  it is not intuitive. it is not non-repetitive.  it is not challenging.  it is NOT fun.  it is boring, repetitive and just shit.

i do not lie.  you actually find this crafting to be fun?  it is about as fun as watching paint dry to me.  i'll give you that it is useful, and you could find this boring shit to be fun... but everything else is completely FALSE.  a lie. or, are your expectations honestly THAT low?  this is definitely an area that should be updated to "it's useful".  otherwise, customers go in expecting something fun and revolutionary and they get shit.

Bring your goods to market using Darkfall?s sophisticated and secure trading system, bringing buyers and sellers together easily whether they?re inside the game or not.  << this does not exist.

has been announced months prior release, like prestige classes this was well known to the playerbase.

just on this forum, you see, at least once a week, someone asking if the game has made it to retail, OR how do you buy this game... only fanbois stalk everything on the forums and refer to items mentioned ONLY on the forums - from a year ago!~   NORMAL PEOPLE obviously do not stalk a game for years and THEN go buy it.  they hear mention of it, go check it out, and then buy it.  your constant reference to old posts for information not mentioned on the website - makes no sense at all.  not one whit - to a REASONABLE person.

normal people go to a website, look at what the game (only available online, only available thru digital download, i.e. you can't order a box from online and you can't buy a box in a store) offers; and makes decisions based upon that.

i keep repeating this - because it is very important.  this IS their marketing.  they are actively marketing a game which is far far far better than the game you purchase.  they are actively misleading customers.  if the website showed a game far WORSE than the game you purchase - that would not be as bad.  people would be PLEASANTLY surprised by all the EXTRAS ingame, which they did not expect.

i honestly do not know how to convey this in a different fashion

WHAT WAS ANNOUNCED ON SOME FORUM SOMEWHERE AND NOT READILY AVAILABLE FROM A CASUAL PERUSAL OF THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE - DOES NOT MATTER ONE WHIT TO A REASONABLE PERSON, OFFICER, NOR COURTS

Protect your home and expand your holdings as you build your empire. In Darkfall, clans struggle for supremacy and survival as they compete over land ownership, resources, and strategic objectives.  << what strategic objectives?  it lists land ownership, resources AND strategic objectives... i can see the first two... where is the third?

Strategic objectives result from the other two. Do we own a city with port ?  do we want a fleet ? Have we enough querrys or should we attck city x ?

i think i should just give up at this point.  you just make up your own definitions for words and terms and to hell with what a normal, reasonable person would/should expect.

 

Your victories are documented for posterity and success is measurable, so you'll never have to wonder what really happened. << where is the "legend" "legendary" or whatever this system is called.. where is it?

Your Journal and Clan management menu holds various information like every kill and death.

if that is this legend system; then it is very incredibly stupid and a complete and utter letdown. you refer to lots of stuff on dfo's forums.  is there a reference on the forums which says this crap is what the legend system is?

There are no safe zones in Darkfall. The only protection you can count on is your friends watching your back.   << tons of safe zones.  this is another outright lie.

You mean the towers in NPC citys and some in the wild ?  You blame Aventurine to use the phrase 'hundreds' and then u wording yourslef 'tons of safezones' ? where are the 'tons of em' ? Like 3-5 % of the map is protected by towers if you want to quantify it and there are NO safe zones,  You can still attack someone in tower range, in some situation you even get away with it , there is nop safezone where attacking someone is not possible. You outright lie  

every starter area.  every city.  lazer towers.  how many starter areas are there per race?  how many cities are there?  it is a HELL of a lot more than "no safe zones".  what is the CORE of the game?  to take and control territories.  that IS the core of the game.  what percentage of THOSE areas are NOT safe zones?

you continue to nitpick at words and just make shit up which has little, if any, bearing on the topic.  wtf over.

Darkfall places no restrictions on player interaction, so there are no developer imposed safe zones, no realms, factions, PvP zones, or any other roadblocks that limit your game. Anyone can fight anyone, anywhere as long as they are willing to face the consequences - in the form of Darkfall?s alignment system.  << did someone forget to tell tasos that darkfall has safe zones? and again, what purpose does the alignment system serve, in a practical sense?

Declare War to someone and you can kill him within tower range. simply as that. No safe zone.  You have to leave the racial NPC citys if you go red and you can get killed by anyone and everyone who kills you get alignment out of you.

if you are trying to say there are no safe zones. you are incorrect.  MANY safe zones exist.  MANY. you point out ways to avoid those safe zones... but the zones exist.

  You can enjoy easy communication with your friends, even while outside the game. Darkfall?s Communication interface includes in-game message and trade boards, an IRC-style chat system, instant messaging, voice support, and even mobile phone SMS messaging.<< how do i activate something other than the bulky, idiotically implemented text chat?

Who cares about that stuff ? However your Journal and clan management is offline accessible.

wow.  go troll somewhere else.  so, we're in agreement that all of this is a complete lie.  thanks for the affirmation of even MORE false advertising.  these items WOULD be revolutionary and unique... but as with EVERYTHING that makes darkfall revolutionary and unique - this does not exist in game.

Trade your hard earned items using Darkfall?s secure trade interface and in-game trade boards.   << does darkfall have ANY features which the site says it has?  seriously.

Yes everything that matters, you know that important stuff that makes the game fun to play and not the fluff you whine about lol. Personally i like it they did put offline trade boards away .

actually, everything that would have made darkfall unique and revolutionary... well, seems to not be part of the game, and exists only as false advertising to sucker in potential players/revenue.

When you play Darkfall, you take part in a constantly evolving, world-spanning storyline. Your reputation will precede you, and your fame will grow through clan victories and individual achievements. Whether you're a fearless fighter, a respected leader, a persuasive politician, or a skilled artisan, you will get the recognition you deserve. In Darkfall, your deeds and views are recorded and chronicled as you become a part of - and a shaper of - world history. With Darkfall?s narrative Legend system, your name will live in fame or in infamy, and it will never be forgotten.  <<the narrative legend system is... where exactly?  more lies?

well these is what you get in DarkFall

"When you play Darkfall, you take part in a constantly evolving, world-spanning storyline. Your reputation will precede you, and your fame will grow through clan victories and individual achievements. Whether you're a fearless fighter, a respected leader, a persuasive politician, or a skilled artisan, you will get the recognition you deserve. In Darkfall, your deeds and views are recorded and chronicled as you become a part of - and a shaper of - world history."

i dont give a shit about narrative system, the above is the important part.

 you say you don't care about a lot of ADVERTISED features.   tbh, what you want does not matter one whit.  we are talking about what is advertised for the game.

damn near all the features listed are either lies, or very misleading.  you get upset when you repeatedly can't answer why the website is so WRONG, and so you go "i don't care".  don't post if you don't care.  stop posting inaccurate information.

Top clans and top individual players from various gaming genres will be there, along with over ten thousand simultaneous players per world. You?re in very good company.  << over ten thousand simultaneous (means the same as "concurrent") players per world... do NOT see this happening.  if someone has factual links to this occurring, please provide them.  i think this is more bullshit at this point.

I dont think its bullshit, DarkFall handles a big amount of people in one spot very well. Provide some proof please why do you think this is bullshit. Some facts  ?   

i would love to.  have darkfall reenable the page that allows you to see concurrent players logged in.  lack of a queue is pretty good proof that it's not 10k concurrent.  or did you never play when there was a queue to get into the game?

Test your mettle in Darkfall?s Arena Events where individual players and teams compete for fun and profit.   << you do not build "teams" to siege.  sieging is not competition for fun.  where are these arena events?  this is listed completely separately from other types of "pvp", so please do not attempt to mistake this with something OTHER than what it plainly states itself to be.

Do you need an arena event ? organize one.

Darkfall usual PvP by just going out in the world and meet someone is competition, very fun and gives you profit,.

is there some type of arena?  we're not asking you for your opinion.  i am enquiring about a stated feature.  do you understand that there is a difference between the two?  because there is.

Every single person involved in the production of Darkfall is a gamer first and foremost. We?ve been where you?ve been, and we play the games you play.  <<< if this is true; then, why don't they build the game we want to play?

They just have build a exciting game for me to play. Its not for everyone.

it's for a few thousand obviously, a lot of which paying customers are very unhappy. can your sub(s) singlehandedly keep them afloat?  guess we'll see.

We are committed to delivering and maintaining a complete, stable, and balanced game; a game that makes good on its promises, with regular and free expansion-size updates, prompt and swift customer service, and superior value for our players. << total and complete bullshit.

The game itself and every patch indicates that the developers care about game stability, balance and completness, they have problems tho cause its their first MMO. 

except when tasos spends a lot of time QQing about a bad review, while not being bothered to tell paying customers why the server is down for 10 hours out the blue.  BUT he's making QQ postings about that bad review during the time the game is down.  that's just one example.  from factual happenings, i'm sorry, but they don't give a shit.

Darkfall offers you more ways to give feedback, and more ways to collaborate with the Darkfall Team in the evolution of the game. Your voice is heard loud and clear.  <<i do not think these words mean what tasos and company think they mean.

They listen to their customers and every patch since release is proof for that. However they very silent and talk through doing more then talking about.

 bad review - week of QQing.  lots of hacks - still lots of hacks in game.  sorry, those words do not mean what tasos thinks they mean. oh but wait, you think hacks don't exist.  further proof.

they have recently updated the website, as a couple of dozen OTHER features, which were advertised for YEARS on the official site, have been removed...

 

so, does anyone have information on where/how to access all these advertised features?  i mean, i could just be really stupid and unable to figure out how to access all these groovy features in (and out) of game.  my clan and alliance can both be filled with idiots and unable to figure any of these items out.

but, as a darkfall player, i truly am tired of people lying about what this game is supposed to have, and is not supposed to have.  this is a truncated list, as they DID delete many features from the website, a couple of months AFTER the game was released into retail.

 

several items in the list above, i have seen numerous people on this forum, making contradictory statements about.  for example, recently someone went on about "darkfall people have NEVER claimed to be able to handle 10,000 concurrent players, just 10,000 subs"... quite a few items listed above, have been routinely contradicted by people on this forum, and since no one can be bothered to read the official website and stop misquoting it -- i have quoted it for everyone.

 

again, please, if you have examples of the items which i believe are missing... provide them... thanks in advance to everyone for your efforts in this collaborative effort.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

tl:dr even from a very ardent supporter, we have proof positive that 90% of the features brought up in the op, simply do not exist.

i honestly don't believe there is really much more to be said on the subject.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Orthedos

No no no, we are not talking to Darth and his bunch.  Those are not normal humans with an intent to talk.  They are here to spin and by now I for one automatically ignores what they say.  Unless I can quote them to show counterexamples.  To show to others, I won't talk to them.

I am here to read what others are saying, exchange ideas and maybe knock off a new idea somewhere.  I won't deal with these trolling fanbots.  I seriously believe they are not loyal to DF, they just use DF as a venue to flame and bait.  I consider a waste of time addressing them, or talking to them.  They are not worth my time.

Actually, there is a lunatic man down the street near my current client's office.  In rags, searching trash bins for half smoked cigarettes.  Once in a while I go visit my client, I would park near where he wanders.  He would occasionally sprew out a lot of random words.  If you were me, would you bother reason with him?  Can he be reasoned with?  I move on.

 

No no no , we are not talking to Damian and his bunch. Those are not normal humans with the intent to talk. There are here to pester any diskussion with their hate drivel. Everyone should ignore these guys who have no life other to talk shit in forums about games they hate and insult people who like the game.

I am here to exchange ideas about the game and not read the mentzal diaarrho of the usual hater who s only intent is to flame and bait. Actually they are lunatics and jerks who i believe live under a bridge according to their behaviour and the free time they have on their hands.

Personally i have asked numerous times these trash to move on and go find them a game they like. Instead they continue to pester a forum and insult the fans of the game using these forum for exhacnge ideas.

what you state in the quoted, and what you do, are very different.

you have done nothing but troll this thread.

show me wrong, and actually reply to something from the op.  or, the ONE item you picked out from the op (about chat), which i elaborated extensively upon -- reply to that.

just stop trolling.  we darkfall players are tired of people posing as fanbois who do nothing but troll and misinform on this forum.

cite where i am typing untruths.  i have cited numerous untruths you have typed.  STOP TROLLING -- post factual information and inform me, and others, or just go play darkfall (if you even have an account) but stop the trolling.

you post items about "oh i don't speak spanish, but this spanish site rates the game 9+ -- this is a great review"... that is complete trolling and flamebaiting.  you have posted numerous times in this thread, either personally attacking, or just trolling --- reply to the op... help out with information on items from the op...

i don't care about spin, about how everyone should read every post for the past 10 years made by tasos, otherwise we're too stupid to play the game.

a product is available ONLY via digital download.  that product's website is full of false advertising.  you will not see an NA server until the website is updated to the current features.  if items in the op are current; please advise how i activate them.  if they are not; then it's just false advertisement on a pretty large scale.

tl:dr - proof or stfu.

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by Cristina1

 heh well dont be fooled, there are less people in game as the rush wore off but there are still thousands people play. I run into people all the time, its just that some places on the map as in any other game are a bit empty compared to others.

 

Also forums represnt less than 1 percent of people playing the game, if you dont know how I can explain later.

 

Do you know why most MMO developers will impliment changes based upon what they read on thier forums, and don't kid yourself, they do this.  Av is also doing this.  I give them credit, they suck at communicating, but they do listen, a little.

They do this because the forums is usually a good representation of player opinion.
Even though only a small percentage of people will post on the games forum, it doesn't mean that that small percentage isn't the magority opinion.

It's like how they count a large group of people.  They don't count every single individiual, they count a small cross section of individuals and then apply that section across the whole to get a fairly accurate total.  It may be off a little by a + or -, but it's typically very close.

So when you see that small percentage of people posting on a game forum saying that something is wrong, guess what, something is wrong.  People can say all they want that the people posting don't play the game, but that's not true.  They either did play, or are playing.  I don't believe they ALL played or are, but very few of the people taking the time to actually post on the official forum NEVER played.

The same feelings you read on the official forums are being expressed in game as well.  People are talking in game, and a lot of people are talking about what needs to be fixed to make the game fun; with lasting appeal.

And as Damian asked you, have you seen a naval battle yet?

 

Yes but you are missing one small point. People love to make negative posts re "OMGZ I QUIT!" people who dont make posts such as "I DONT QUIT!" unless its to annoy particular poster. 

So the perception that everybody is leaving is wrong, people quit MMOs all the time, you just need to know MMO life cycles to understand user numbers and explanations for them.Also Devs dont bother with "General discussion" section of the forums for obvious reasons, they stick to suggestion section and dot forget they ahve their own mind made up on how to develop their own game, so they dont follow players advice 100%.

 

Learn to think please..
 

 

I guess I win the argument then? :)

 

Thank you and goodnight.

um, actually, the lack of people ingame, says a lot more than the 'i quit' posts. 

lost minions.... holding hal'kali AND a hamlet...   4 or 5 active players IN lost minions....

speaks worlds more than any argument on here.

Originally posted by shukes33

More people are obsessed with Darkfall than any other game iv'e known! have you ever had one of those moments when you have had a confrontation with someone and wished you said or did something? then you lie in bed awake thinking " i wish i had launched that guy" or said something! well i havent since i turned 20 years old....i really can't say anything is big enough to make me hate it...honestly, there is no person in this world i hate and certainly no game. nothing is big enough or bothers me enough to make me ahte it/them!

Darkfall for some is! some love it, some hate it. Some people make it thier life ambition to bash it..take Damin7 for instance. I have never ever know anyone so obsessed with anything in my life, other than my obsessive ex that is!

love it or hate it, it bothers people.

actually, i wake up in the middle of the night (the whole 3 or 4 hours of sleep i might get), troubleshooting some telecom problem with a ds3 or dacs issue, OR thinking about which line of skills to train next in eve.

i play darkfall, to play with friends, until they get tired of it.

if people are allowed to come here, create new accounts, and lie about a game that i pay to play; then, i feel i should be able to correct the lies.

i'm amazed how accepting people are of liars.  i wonder if that's how those folks are offline - both the liars and the people promoting the liars.  i honestly thought this sort of launch and shady business folks would have ended with the vanguard fiasco.

obviously, it didn't; and here we have people spinning in support of someone worse than brad mcquaid (by a longshot).   it honestly amazes me.

if so... then it is a sad sad world in which we live.

Originally posted by -Zeno-

Months after release, the Darkfall Online General Discussion forums are more popular than the WoW General Discussion forums here on MMORPG.COM.  There were 134 more posts within a 24 hour period on the Darkfall forum.  The data was taken during the week day, which is a slow time for the MMORPG.COM forums.

Raw data:

6/17/2009 2:00 AM EST

Posts on Darkfall forum: 150029

Posts on WoW forum: 125449

6/18/2009 2:00 AM EST

Posts on Darkfall forum: 150212

Posts on WoW forum: 125498

Another bit of data for you to chew on: the WoW forums had exactly 3 more new threads than the Darkfal General Discussion forum in the same 24 hour period.

11,000,000+ subs vs ~20,000 subs (actually i think it's more like ~4,000 subs, but hey, i'm generous)...  i REALLY don't think blizzard cares about this thread.

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by damian7

from the op

www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2662012#2662012

 

 

where are they now?  where are the ardent darkfall supporters from just a few months ago... especially in regards to this naval issue?

 

Yep.

 

The same can be said of pretty much any longer thread from pre-Beta and Beta. 

Go back about 6-12 months and read through the threads.  Jot down how many familiar names that you see that were gung-ho on DarkFall back then.  I'll give you a hint... there are very, very few.  Why is that?

 

Even now...

It used to be a new thread would be lucky to stay on the first page for a day.  Now a new thread without a single reply can stay on the front page for 2 weeks.

It doesn't take a very bright person to see that DarkFall's day in the lime-light has passed them by.  They took too long to get the major issues fixed, and release some new content.

Will the NA release bring back some excitement for DarkFall?  If it is at the cost of EU-1 dying... not sure how much they will have gained.  I guess sometime in July will tell the tale.  I'll still be around... not sure how many ardent supporters will be. 

 

I've said all along I'll stay interested in DarkFall until they fold or they offer the Free Trials like they intended from the get go.  Heck, I've still got a few "guarantees" from vocal supporters back in Oct./Nov. saying that I'd be playing my Free Trial no later than Dec./Jan. at the latest.  Heh... still waiting. 

 

heh well dont be fooled, there are less people in game as the rush wore off but there are still thousands people play. I run into people all the time, its just that some places on the map as in any other game are a bit empty compared to others.

 

Also forums represnt less than 1 percent of people playing the game, if you dont know how I can explain later.

have you witnessed large naval battles?

Originally posted by Cristina1

Ugh ok some people here think that a game is dead if  they do not play themselves anymore. Thousands play DF and are having fun, which is the most important bit in playing that is.

 

And another important thing is that at this moment in time DF is the best game of its type on the market (that is new-ish  that is).

When other games join this market, if they are better for me,  then sure I will jump ship, but for now its either old games like UO or Aion, lol......or I can have fun in Darkfall....I mean its the only MMORPG where I can actually use stealth rather *you are now invisible*  spell nonsense. Anyway...see you in game :p

thousands of people play pretty much ANY game online.

i wish people that actually have experience with mmos would make statements.  why does anyone care if "thousands" play in a HUGE world.  that world should be built for 10s of thousands... maybe even 100 thousand. 

oh, it is.

so yeah, "thousands playing" and "i run into folks all the time"... while a clan with less than 10 active people controls both a city and a hamlet....

no.  really.  lost minions has a city/hamlet for every 3 players (rounding up) active in that guild...

the fact that this game ONLY has thousands, is the sad testament to its lamentable condition.  the fact that folks can fly off in your ship... is another testament to the horrid state of the game.

they need to just re-release the game with a private server license or something.

every reply, except for maybe two sentences, has reinforced my belief that none of the items (in the op, which i pointed out) exist ingame.

an underwater tunnel to an underwater hamlet or two... is interesting.  not what i expect from the site mentioning underwater adventures, not by a long shot.  so even this is    disappointing.

the revolutionary AI hyped for so long... is just a bad version of the ai we see in all current MMOs, EXCEPT when you trigger a spawn, they can see you from wherever you triggered them, regardless of you hiding.  a longer detection range is NOT what i consider revolutionary.  everything else the ai does... is a watered down version of what we already have in other MMOs.  the fact that i can climb on top of a wall, and snipe tigers and the tigers can't attack back... but i can kill them all i want -- that says it all for the game's ai, and pretty much sums up how you do pve --- you stick the mobs or get where they can't touch you and kill them at your leisure.

as others (and i) have pointed out... a game that is ONLY available thru an ONLINE process, i.e. digitial download; but does not have a (product) website which provides a semi-accurate description of the game -- this is simply not acceptable.  no amount of QQ or spin will change this simple fact.

i am very disappointed at the amount of attacks/emo-rage vs just factual information in the thread.  i'm even more disappointed with the lies, presented as fact, all the while avoiding any explanation of items in the op.

from the folks in clan alliance, most of the items i question - simply are false advertising and deliberate falsehoods on the part of tasos and friends. from the replies (and more notably lack of proper response/explanations) it would seem even the diehard fans on this site concur.

perhaps AV should have a blamestorming session... i blame Enrique, the janitor.

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by pwnzorellOr

Originally posted by Cristina1

 

What are you talking about?! where did you pull that information out of??

And NO, they havent even adveritsed the game yet so a big wave of players hasnt happened yet, most people dont even know DF is out. Yes most people dont read internet gaming forums.

 

yub, just those 300k~ people who registered for beta and waited a few years for the release. a few of the long term followers played at release, very few of them are left. most of them are now "hating" on the official boards, you should have noticed, but yeah i know, they are only qqing and should go back to wow - how dare them to criticize the game they play and make suggestions, they must be pathetic trolls!

 

it's a niche game, targeted at a specific audience, most of them knew about the game for many years. do you know the power of "word of mouth"?

 

This game is here to stay, trust me. I ve seen all these posts before and i will see them all over again about some other game *cough*Dark & Light*cough*. Its always doom and gloom from the vocal MINORITY yet MMOs keep on goign for YEARS, but the truth is the game is good :) See you in game! :)

gave ya a hand.

also, this is NOT the only game of it's type out right now.  just look to the listing on the left hand side of the site. 

as for the guy who commented about 6/10 for sound... shhhh, it's his first review, it's his opinions and stuff.. he just started.  he hasn't had any core game experience, i.e. sieges yet.  think of this as "hey, this is my first day and what i found", from a casual style player.

You can enjoy easy communication with your friends, even while outside the game. Darkfall?s Communication interface includes in-game message and trade boards, an IRC-style chat system, instant messaging, voice support, and even mobile phone SMS messaging.  << how do i activate something other than the bulky, idiotically implemented text chat?

how do i enjoy easy communication with my friends, even while outside the game?

the communication INTERFACE includes in-game message and trade boards <<< how do i access this?

an irc-style chat system <<< this is ... where?  the chat system currently  in game does not have ANYTHING resembling irc...

voice support?  you access this how?

mobile phone sms messaging?  how do i do this?

now, my original comment alludes to i DO have access to that bulky (the chat windows are way too big/unwieldy with their huge borders and inability to combine multiple chats into one window, have to use different tabs AND SYSTEM will not combine into one window... other games allow you to have multiple chat channels within a single tab of a single window... THEREFORE... i call this bulky, idiotically implementned text (because it doesn't have any of the voice stuff mentioned) chat -- bulky, and idiotically implemented AS COMPARED TO OTHER GAMES CURRENTLY out?

so, i see that you did see that statement in the op, darth.  i have elaborated on it, and am more than happy to elaborate upon all my other comments in the op.

Originally posted by oddjobs74

@ OP,

Apart for both of the existing features that made into the paid beta, you can build, steal and fly boats. There is no other game on the market where you can fly boats. This is the most innovative feature I have seen in any game.

 

ok, i almost spit out soda.  cuz THAT was fricking funny... funny cuz it's true.

Originally posted by Adam1902

Originally posted by damian7

i'm reading thru the current features available to me ingame.  as a player of darkfall, i'm curious as to what exactly is being advertised on the official, updated website? <<< first sentence is a blanket question which is then elaborated upon in the below...

 

Explore five continents, countless small islands, trackless underwater depths, and a sprawling underworld. Hundreds of dungeons and adventure areas await. <<since they mention these items.. doesn't that mean something worthwhile exists in these areas? what is underwater, in regards to exploration and adventure? hundreds of dungeons and adventure areas? i take adventure areas to be like... a fort with trolls or elves in it... hundreds??? where's my hundreds???

Play any of Agon's six dominant races. Each race has a unique set of abilities, as well as its own civilization, culture, and way of life. <<< unique set of abiltieis? like the wolf guys running as fast as a horsey? oh wait... that doesn't exist. what are my unique racial abilties again?
 

Meet hundreds of unique monsters, and take them on in their lairs, strongholds and domains. Repetitive monster encounters are a thing of the past.  <<< hundreds of unique monsters?  repetitive monster encounters are a thing of the past?  where are my hundreds of uniques and my non-repetitive encounters?

Experience a world brought to life by real-world physics and dynamic lighting and shadows. Watch trees and grass sway in the wind as sunlight peeks through passing clouds. Observe the movements of Agon's twin moons, which are part of a dynamic planetary system with smooth day/night cycles. Sail your ship through rough seas, then become hampered by fog as the waters calm. Struggle as your battlefield-bound army marches into a severe storm. In Darkfall, the weather is more than just window dressing.   <<< um, where is all this weather that has such crazy affects on warfare (both land and sea)... i mean, the weather in darkfall is more than just window dressing... why is it that a wind which can move a huge 200'+ tall tree, at its base... doesn't even mess up the hair on my character?  i mean... wind that can move that tree, at its base... is hurricane cat 5 if not 6...

Uncover the mysteries of an ancient civilization, which left more than just ruins for later generations to discover. Untold riches and incredible power is the prize, as you join the race to claim an age-old inheritance  << a number of us have traveled far and wide... wtf does this statement refer to?  has anyone found ANY of this?

You don?t have to spend endless hours playing in order to enjoy yourself, or to become successful. Even if you only play in small doses, your character can be effective within his chosen field, and a lot of fun to play. Whether you?re looking for intense involvement or just casual fun without a huge time investment, Darkfall accommodates your playing style.   <<< actual experience playing ingame proves this statement to be false.  in order to be successful, in pretty much any field, you have to macro for days/weeks.  if someone has experiences that contradict these experiences of myself (and clan/alliance m8s of mine); please post the examples, not just "nuh huh, you're wrong"... cuz it's rigor pyramids, walls of pain, swimming/running/sprinting/crouchwalking while at work/sleep, and all sorts of other macroing, in order to be considered successful in darkfall.

 

In Darkfall, there?s much more to character development than, say, raising your riding or mining skill by mindlessly killing rats all day. Instead, you'll need to practice your skills if you want to get better at them. Darkfall?s skill based system makes sense, and it saves you from having to waste your playing time leveling.   << again, from actually playing the game, all i do is level my character.  every 25 points of a skill, you get the message "your skill X has increased to a new level".  everyone shoots for the skill 75+ area of skills.  so it's just a bunch of macroing to get to that level.  the core of the game is sieging (i.e. taking and holding territory), you NEED to have high levels of combat skills (both attack and defense) in order to be successful at sieging.  yes, a lot of zerging happens... a lot of zergers also have high levels in their skils.

 

You will never have to re-roll your character again. With Darkfall?s flexible character development system, your character simply adapts to the choices you make for him. We give you hundreds of skills to learn and master, and around a hundred Prestige classes to further specialize in.   << what prestige classes?

You have the freedom to follow the rules, or to break them and face the consequences. Darkfall?s Alignment system is hard but fair.  << um... big deal, i become "evil" and i can't go to the starter areas... is there something in the starter areas that i care about?  i don't understand how this alignment system matters at all.

Multiple safeguards protect you from cheats and exploits that would otherwise interfere with your gaming experience.  << this is about the most inaccurate statement so far -- speed hacks, piggy backing, flying ships, et cetera...

 

In Darkfall, all items in the world can be made by the players. << this is simply a lie.

Darkfall?s crafting system is intuitive, non-repetitive, challenging, useful, fun - and profitable. Using Darkfall?s virtually limitless item creator system, you could invent and be the first to use a weapon as awesome as the Flamefury Raudstaal Battleaxe of Bloodshed, or just make a simple saddle for your horse.   << the bolded, italicized, underlined portion is simply a lie.

 

Bring your goods to market using Darkfall?s sophisticated and secure trading system, bringing buyers and sellers together easily whether they?re inside the game or not.  << this does not exist.

Protect your home and expand your holdings as you build your empire. In Darkfall, clans struggle for supremacy and survival as they compete over land ownership, resources, and strategic objectives.  << what strategic objectives?  it lists land ownership, resources AND strategic objectives... i can see the first two... where is the third?

Your victories are documented for posterity and success is measurable, so you'll never have to wonder what really happened. << where is the "legend" "legendary" or whatever this system is called.. where is it?

There are no safe zones in Darkfall. The only protection you can count on is your friends watching your back.   << tons of safe zones.  this is another outright lie.

Darkfall places no restrictions on player interaction, so there are no developer imposed safe zones, no realms, factions, PvP zones, or any other roadblocks that limit your game. Anyone can fight anyone, anywhere as long as they are willing to face the consequences - in the form of Darkfall?s alignment system.  << did someone forget to tell tasos that darkfall has safe zones? and again, what purpose does the alignment system serve, in a practical sense?

 

  You can enjoy easy communication with your friends, even while outside the game. Darkfall?s Communication interface includes in-game message and trade boards, an IRC-style chat system, instant messaging, voice support, and even mobile phone SMS messaging.<< how do i activate something other than the bulky, idiotically implemented text chat?

Trade your hard earned items using Darkfall?s secure trade interface and in-game trade boards.   << does darkfall have ANY features which the site says it has?  seriously.

When you play Darkfall, you take part in a constantly evolving, world-spanning storyline. Your reputation will precede you, and your fame will grow through clan victories and individual achievements. Whether you're a fearless fighter, a respected leader, a persuasive politician, or a skilled artisan, you will get the recognition you deserve. In Darkfall, your deeds and views are recorded and chronicled as you become a part of - and a shaper of - world history. With Darkfall?s narrative Legend system, your name will live in fame or in infamy, and it will never be forgotten.  <<the narrative legend system is... where exactly?  more lies?

Top clans and top individual players from various gaming genres will be there, along with over ten thousand simultaneous players per world. You?re in very good company.  << over ten thousand simultaneous (means the same as "concurrent") players per world... do NOT see this happening.  if someone has factual links to this occurring, please provide them.  i think this is more bullshit at this point.

Test your mettle in Darkfall?s Arena Events where individual players and teams compete for fun and profit.   << you do not build "teams" to siege.  sieging is not competition for fun.  where are these arena events?  this is listed completely separately from other types of "pvp", so please do not attempt to mistake this with something OTHER than what it plainly states itself to be.

Every single person involved in the production of Darkfall is a gamer first and foremost. We?ve been where you?ve been, and we play the games you play.  <<< if this is true; then, why don't they build the game we want to play?

We are committed to delivering and maintaining a complete, stable, and balanced game; a game that makes good on its promises, with regular and free expansion-size updates, prompt and swift customer service, and superior value for our players. << total and complete bullshit.

Darkfall offers you more ways to give feedback, and more ways to collaborate with the Darkfall Team in the evolution of the game. Your voice is heard loud and clear.  <<i do not think these words mean what tasos and company think they mean.

 

 

they have recently updated the website, as a couple of dozen OTHER features, which were advertised for YEARS on the official site, have been removed...

 

so, does anyone have information on where/how to access all these advertised features?  i mean, i could just be really stupid and unable to figure out how to access all these groovy features in (and out) of game.  my clan and alliance can both be filled with idiots and unable to figure any of these items out.

but, as a darkfall player, i truly am tired of people lying about what this game is supposed to have, and is not supposed to have.  this is a truncated list, as they DID delete many features from the website, a couple of months AFTER the game was released into retail.

 

several items in the list above, i have seen numerous people on this forum, making contradictory statements about.  for example, recently someone went on about "darkfall people have NEVER claimed to be able to handle 10,000 concurrent players, just 10,000 subs"... quite a few items listed above, have been routinely contradicted by people on this forum, and since no one can be bothered to read the official website and stop misquoting it -- i have quoted it for everyone.

 

again, please, if you have examples of the items which i believe are missing... provide them... thanks in advance to everyone for your efforts in this collaborative effort.

 

 

 

I'll keep it nice and short.
The website is out of date, everyone knows this. It hasn't been updated for 4 or more years.

They will be bringing us a new site "soon", and my guess is that you will probably be able to use in-game features (friends, clan management) through the site.  <<< what does a new site have to do with a site they currently have WHICH THEY CONTINUE TO UPDATE?  it was updated as recent as the announcement of the NA server (i am AGAIN pointing out that they changed "only one character per account" from per server is a very recent change. there have been several updates to the website, as i have pointed out several times already...)  they ARE updating this current website.  

I'll edit the post with a link where they hint at a new site.

EDIT: Here you go:
Our number one concern is the quality of the experience for our existing users. We don’t want to create any problems by allowing too many new users in. This is why we have no boxes in the market, why we haven’t been promoting the game, why our new site isn’t up yet, why we don’t offer a free trial, why we don’t offer more payment options etc.
- http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=191365    <<< allowing too many players in?  seriously?  they seriously have no problem with allowing too many players on.  dude, fricking LOST MINIONS with their THREE OR FOUR ACTIVE MEMBERS, and who are now not in an alliance control a city AND a hamlet on two separate continents!!! free trials.. do i have to go find the places where tasos stated he would NEVER expect someone to play the game without having a chance to play it for free first?  again, why would you not update your current site, even if you're getting a new site?  PLEASE explain the LOGIC behind that.  not some random boring meme -- but explain the thinking behind that.

Let's say Microsoft is planning on releasing a new version of windows... but they're planning on moving to a new site.  are you saying that the reasonable expectation is that microsoft would simply publish false information about their new product and state "oh we're moving to a new site", and just LEAVE erroneous information about this new windows on the "old" site?

 

explain this thinking to me.  this isn't a child's hobby site about goldfish.  this is the website of a business.  a business that FOR WHATEVER REASON does not have a publisher putting boxes out... the ONLY way to purchase the product is thru DIRECT DOWNLOAD, which seems to be controlled by tasos and his people.... therefore, there is ZERO chance of OVERSELLING the product.

you CANNOT buy this game in a store, you can ONLY download it.

but, the gaming website can't be updated with current information... but, it can be updated little bits here and there... oh, we need to change the faq to say you can only have one character per account - so everyone has to purchase a new account in order to play on the NA server OR delete their EU toon.  that FAQ, until recently stated that it was one character per server.  so, they ARE updating what they feel like updating.  like the stealth removal of mention of henchmen and pets.

and weirdly enough, none of this addresses the op.

They want to make Darkfall more public, they want to upgrade their website. But they feel that with only one server, the demand will be too high, this is why there is still no “Buy Darkfall” button anywhere and our release has been limited to the Darkfall community. aswell as they probably don't want to use resources on a website just yet. Things will change when they get a new / some new servers open I believe.  wow.  they are updating the website.  they have updated the website several times THIS YEAR.  i have no idea where you're getting this WRONG information from, nor why you're presenting this as something pertinent to this discussion.  they HAVE UPDATED THE SITE SEVERAL TIMES THIS YEAR. 

 

This kind of information honestly isn't hard to find if you simply read the news on their forum.  <tbh, most people don't go back and read thru every page of a thread, once it's gotten past the first page... i don't go back and read every post on the first page when i open this... so your complaint on the 4th page is quite inappropriate.  why didn't i reply to this update on the first page????  because i don't keep going back to the first page.  i do not know anyone that would go thru every page of a thread every time they go back to that thread, especially pages they've already gone thru.  seriously, wtf over.

and i am not digging and nitpicking about little items mentioned here or there.  i am going to the official website and reading thru the list of features for this game.  a reasonable person would have this expectation of a product.  ESPECIALLY a product ONLY available via download -- you can not buy this offline in a store, you can only buy this online; BUT their online website is completely out of date? it's completely inaccurate?  what kind of logic is that???????//

 

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Devour

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Enjoy the smooth and flowing gameplay, the fast paced action, and the highly responsive controls. You can forget about point - click - and wait: In Darkfall, the action is real-time and your character feels like an extension of yourself. check 

You don?t have to spend endless hours playing in order to enjoy yourself, or to become successful. Even if you only play in small doses, your character can be effective within his chosen field, and a lot of fun to play. Whether you?re looking for intense involvement or just casual fun without a huge time investment, Darkfall accommodates your playing style. check 

In Darkfall, there?s much more to character development than, say, raising your riding or mining skill by mindlessly killing rats all day. Instead, you'll need to practice your skills if you want to get better at them. Darkfall?s skill based system makes sense, and it saves you from having to waste your playing time leveling. check 

You will never have to re-roll your character again. With Darkfall?s flexible character development system, your character simply adapts to the choices you make for him. We give you hundreds of skills to learn and master, and around a hundred Prestige classes to further specialize in. check

You have the freedom to follow the rules, or to break them and face the consequences. Darkfall?s Alignment system is hard but fair. check 

In Darkfall, all items in the world can be made by the players. check  

Note: The only factual piece of information in this is... Wait, none? Oh, yeah. The only two pieces of information that could be considered subjective in this ( and therefore true to some ) are the first and second to last bits. Everything else is a big bullshitting lie.

 

Well you do something wrong if you not check all the text  in yellow.

I meant it not in the terms that you play the game wrong but more of the terms you didnt pay attention to the games promises.

The second point for example doesn't promise you to log in and having fun like you mastered everything in the game. It says you can enjoy yourself  "within  your choosen field". If you like fisching for example you will get very good at it having spend a camparable small amount of time.  Lets say you have just 30 minutes of playtime, you can set yourslef a realistic goal and catch 100 fish in that time. Your succesfull, and reached your goal. It doesnt promise you that you login 20 min any other day and pawn release fireballs of doom to 2 shot other players.

Also if you just sit in city worriying about your skill level and not going out then its not the games fault . You think the best way to beat as many people as you can is by raising your paperdoll skill in the city.  You could try a different playstyle its your choice and you will see the description fitting also.

what does any of that have to do with the op?  your yellow highlights have items ingame, and items that are not ingame.  as such, i have no idea what you're trying to say. 

Originally posted by Postal13

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by Postal13

Even with these missing features, would you recommend the game?  I've been hesitant since launch, but would still like to play it.

 

Lol, depends who you ask. I wouldn t touch this game ever again, and yes I have played it. Theres alot better games out and coming out to not even bother with this game. I don t see a very good future for it persoanlly, or at least wait till the price drops alot.

 

THanks, that's basically my opinion as well.  Maybe I'll wait for Hellgate London to come back online, instead :)

IF darkfall adds in the list of missing features (to include features they've deleted from their website)... and they add ALL these features...

no, i would not recommend this game to anyone.

it fails as an fps.  it fails as an mmo.  it is an endless series of mind-numbing grinds FOR LITTLE GAIN.  everything currently implemented in the game is done stupidly or is just BAD.  sieges blow huge chunks because of horrid game mechanics and STUPID city design and bloody hacks, AND exploited toons allowed to keep all their exploited gains. i can not remember a pay to play game with this many hacks in it.  i am amazed completely by the amount of hacks STILL in this game.

the game's dev is the biggest liar since brad mcquaid.  he'd rather spend his time QQing about a bad review, than updating paying customers on why a server is down, or what bugs/hacks he's working on fixing.

now, having said all of THAT.

if you're REALLY bored with ALL games currently out (and i'm including hello kitty online's beta, and toontown), and have money to just throw away (and there's no movies, clubs, books, et cetera you'd rather spend it on)... go crazy.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by seabeast

Minus the argument, the OP has a right to know about the features that are advertized on the game website. He has obviously done his homework on the game and most likely put a lot of time into preparing for the release. With such advertisement , clans are formed and much planning upon the game is made. Not to mention the time researching countless numbers of conversations and excitement that goes with the game when it was released…uniquely. Then when he asks for the information advertized (regardless of the age of the site) the OP receives negative feedback and misinformation. His questions are legit and he sounds as if he feels he has been misinformed after paying for a product that did not and has not delivered.

 

The OP hasn't done his homework  on the game. He would know about announcements reffering  to features have been put back etc. He might have formed clans prior release but i doubt those clans have been formed around the games weather effects. He may not like implementation of certain features but some including me, very like them.

this reply does not make any sense.

i am not referring to ANYTHING that was removed from the site (for example - henchmen and pets were removed from the official website - i am not referencing them).

if you have information and can answer the questions in the op - please answer the questions in the op.

you have not done this.  you have repeatedly posted items that are completely offtopic and which actually IGNORE the questions posed in the op.

so, what items am i pointing out as missing... are actually NOW in the game?  the reason i'm asking questions is because i believe those items ARE missing from the game (in my op); so yes, i am asking for people to answer my questions...

not to ignore my questions and answer random items they pull out of thin air.  i asked questions, in order for people to answer the questions.

have i reworded that enough in order to be understood?  if not, i'm sorry, a reasonable person wouldn't expect to have to explain that "hi, i asked questions, could you answer those questions instead of ignoring the questions and trolling?"

wtf over.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Enjoy the smooth and flowing gameplay, the fast paced action, and the highly responsive controls. You can forget about point - click - and wait: In Darkfall, the action is real-time and your character feels like an extension of yourself. check 

You don?t have to spend endless hours playing in order to enjoy yourself, or to become successful. Even if you only play in small doses, your character can be effective within his chosen field, and a lot of fun to play. Whether you?re looking for intense involvement or just casual fun without a huge time investment, Darkfall accommodates your playing style. check 

In Darkfall, there?s much more to character development than, say, raising your riding or mining skill by mindlessly killing rats all day. Instead, you'll need to practice your skills if you want to get better at them. Darkfall?s skill based system makes sense, and it saves you from having to waste your playing time leveling. check 

You will never have to re-roll your character again. With Darkfall?s flexible character development system, your character simply adapts to the choices you make for him. We give you hundreds of skills to learn and master, and around a hundred Prestige classes to further specialize in. check

You have the freedom to follow the rules, or to break them and face the consequences. Darkfall?s Alignment system is hard but fair. check 

In Darkfall, all items in the world can be made by the players. check

 

 

all you've done is say "check" to everything from the features' list.  you can not create all items in the world.  there are no prestige classes.  so if "check" means "yes this is here"; then, you have no idea about what darkfall does/doesn't have - or you're willfully lying.

either way - i don't care - i asked specific questions about each item.  you have answered NO questions at all which i have posed.  you have merely deleted my questions and typed "check" a bunch of times, even on items that are completely incorrect.

that willful ignoring of my questions (by removing them and completely ignoring the op by so doing), combined with outright lies -- all you're doing is flamebaiting and trolling. 

why?

better than answering my "why?", how about actually answering any of the questions posed in the op? 

regardless - STOP TROLLING.  i, as a player of darkfall, do not want to be associated with other players of darkfall that consistently misrepresent the game and outrightly lie about the game.

Originally posted by Adam1902

damian, I wish you'd stop telling people they're trolling, when they're trying to prove a point. You always post the same lines, "we darkfallz plaiorz..." etc etc... I highly doubt you play Darkfall, otherwise you'd be enjoying the game rather than trolling its players through a forum that allows this sort of behaviour. I have to admit it's pretty smart, calling others a troll to try and indicate that you are not a troll.

You are always complaining about the website that everyone knows was made like 5 years ago. I mean even your first complaint proves that you haven't really played long enough to justify posting this thread. Where you ask what is underwater to explore, there is actually tunnels leading to hamlets located underwater.

Very smart trolling indeed.

(when i state "you" for the most part i am using a generic everyman "you")

i make factual statements backed with fact.  i ask questions.  i am given untruthful statements in return.  my questions are ignored.   that is the definition of trolling, especially when i have repeatedly stated how sick and tired i am of lies about darkfall.

i have posted numerous times, information which can only be gained from playing the game.  i even gave information between certain alliance relationships that could only be gained from being part of one of those alliances, or a spy, or by having a spy in one or both alliances.

the website HAS been updated several times recently - do you honestly not remember the border jokes when they updated that?  when they announced the NA server, they changed the faq to state "only one character per ACCOUNT" instead of server.  they have deleted features 2 or 3 times now.  the fact that they have done numerous updates to the website since launch is not an item you can say is false.  this is a true statement.

you making personal attacks against me, in the form of stating i do not play darkfall and all this other silliness - is nothing more than personal attacks.  that is also a form of trolling.

what point is proven by completely IGNORING questions i pose and pasting from the op in order to pretend you're answering my question - but in fact, you're either presenting lies, or you're pointing out objects which (by exception proven) i agree with?  that is trolling.  (this is the everyman "you")

you have personally responded to one item.  that underwater tunnels exist to underwater hamlets.  is that ALL that there is for underwater?  i mean, have you been playing this game for months longer than i (um, one or two months more?)  do you have more information to the plethora of questions?   i mean, aside from that one line about underwater tunnels/hamlets, you pretty much just attacked me.

but, that's not harrassment, trolling, flamebaiting?

i can go to pretty much any website for other MMOs, pull up their features' lists, and not have anywhere near this amount of discrepancies.  a reasonable person would expect a company's website, for a game that can ONLY BE PURCHASED VIA DIRECT DOWNLOAD FROM THE INTERNETZ.... to be accurate and updated.  the fact that the darkfall people HAVE updated their site recently, to include deleting features formerly listed... proves they ARE updating their website.  this is factual information.  this is not shill opinionating.

darth is willfully ignoring every question i have posed and posting "hey darkfall has all this stuff" and it is mostly items i agree with... yes, darkfall has 5 continents.  i did not dispute, nor question, that item in the op.  yet, darth posts affirming that the game has 5 continents, while completely ignoring the question i had...   what do you call that? he is not illiterate, as he is copy/pasting information and replying to it.  yet he is willfully ignoring all the questions i posed.

is that not the definition of flamebaiting and trollling?

Originally posted by DarthRaiden   STOP TROLLING

"Explore five continents, countless small islands, trackless underwater depths, and a sprawling underworld. Hundreds of dungeons and adventure areas await."

- there are 5 continents, and i coudnt count the islands check  << i did not dispute the five continents.  i asked about the HUNDREDS of dungeons and adventure areas SPECIFICALLY.  false statement by darth.

Play any of Agon's six dominant races. Each race has a unique set of abilities, as well as its own civilization, culture, and way of life.

-6 playable races with unique styles, culture.. check  << i asked SPECIFICALLY about what are the unique abilvities, which you have edited out and ignored.  another twist of what was actually asked, 2 now darth.

Meet hundreds of unique monsters, and take them on in their lairs, strongholds and domains. Repetitive monster encounters are a thing of the past.

-Dont counted there are much, you can take them on thgeir lairs,m strongholds and domains  check  << there are not hundreds of unique monsters, you ignored completely the part about 'repetitive monster encounters are a thing of the past'. this is also something i SPECIFICALLY bring up.  you're three for three misinforming statements darth.  that is called trolling.

Travel through geographically diverse regions that are alive with plants, trees, birds, animals, and even insects

-geographically diverse regions  with plants, trees, some birds / insects in the sky check

Experience a world brought to life by real-world physics and dynamic lighting and shadows. Watch trees and grass sway in the wind as sunlight peeks through passing clouds. Observe the movements of Agon's twin moons, which are part of a dynamic planetary system with smooth day/night cycles. Sail your ship through rough seas, then become hampered by fog as the waters calm. Struggle as your battlefield-bound army marches into a severe storm. In Darkfall, the weather is more than just window dressing.

-Dynamic light and shadows, trees and grass sway in the wind, sunlight peeks through passing clouds, Agons twin moons move, day night cycles check

Darkfall?s terrain has been painstakingly hand-crafted by our artists, rather than conveniently auto-generated. This means non-repetitive, unpredictable, and unique locations to explore, discover and use. Darkfall's world is full of wonders, small and large.

-Darkfalls terrain has been painstakingly hand-crafted by our artists, rather than conveniently auto-generated. This means non-repetitive, unpredictable, and unique locations to explore, discover and use. Darkfall's world is full of wonders, small and large. check

i'm not going to address all three of these.  i posted information and i made specific comments about every one of them - these are what i am asking about.  i am not asking about every single item.  i am not, as you previously suggested, nitpicking.  i am asking SPECIFIC questions about SPECIFIC features.  you are completely ignoring every single question i have posed thus far.  that is TROLLING.  STOP TROLLING DARTH.
 

 

Uncover the mysteries of an ancient civilization, which left more than just ruins for later generations to discover. Untold riches and incredible power is the prize, as you join the race to claim an age-old inheritance

 

-ruins to discover all over the world, pointing to mysteries of an ancient  civilization check  << answer the questions i posed darth.  all you have done thus far is troll  -- STOP TROLLING.

 

are you incapable of answering any questions at all that i have raised?  you have ignored every single question i have posed.  all you are doing is flamebaiting, giving misinformation, and trolling  -- STOP IT DARTH. 

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

DarkFall must be the only game where trolls go through every word on a description given noumerous times. I mean Aventurine has done litle to no advertise and the description is the litle advertising they do on their own site, i am sure these is the 10th topic about that and is getting old really.

 

 

i'm sorry if you do not have the expectations of a reasonable person.  even with this VERY truncated listing (most of the REAL good stuff has been deleted)... but with this tiny listing - there are several revolutionary features touted by this game.

REVOLUTIONARY.

your trolling comments are NOT welcome, darthraiden.  i, personally, want to know where all these innovative and revolutionary features are... do i have to type some sort of command to enable the legend narrative?  how exactly do i get the sms communications going?

this is NOT nitpicking on teeny tiny features - these are ground breaking AND revolutionary jumps in MMOs...

these are not tiny bywords that people will miss.

TAKE YOUR TROLLING ELSEWHERE, DARTHRAIDEN.

this constant trolling became REAL old months ago.   i am looking for factual information

there's a new website coming?  a 4th or 5th update in as many months?  fine.. where's the link?

you are not posting about the expectations of a reasonable person.  i am reading the information on the website.  if i picked ONLY the SMS statement - then trolls would reply with "oh that's only one teeny tiny thing that isn't enabled"; if i put a handful of items "oh, that's just a few items that aren't implemented yet"; if i put a long list "oh you're nitpicking".

NONE of those statements are anything other than BLATANT trolling.  you can not answer any of the items in the op; because of the massive amount of misleading statements ON EVERY SINGLE FEATURES PAGE.  yes, i went to every feature page, and items above cover every single feature page - there is not one feature page on the official site which you can remotely trust.

unless, and this is very possible, i and my clanmates are just too stupid to figure it out.  and believe me, between the group of us, we have some major dumbasses.

so, if you can do something other than troll, like contribute to this thread, with links, screenshots, videos - i.e. FACTUAL information; please do.  all help is welcome.  but do not come here trolling and expect to be well-received.  do not come here with lies and expect to be thanked.  do not come here with sarcastic silliness and expect to be greeted as a hero.

we darkfall players are sick and tired of lies told about OUR game.

Originally posted by Adam1902

Originally posted by damian7

i'm reading thru the current features available to me ingame.  as a player of darkfall, i'm curious as to what exactly is being advertised on the official, updated website?

 

Explore five continents, countless small islands, trackless underwater depths, and a sprawling underworld. Hundreds of dungeons and adventure areas await. <<since they mention these items.. doesn't that mean something worthwhile exists in these areas? what is underwater, in regards to exploration and adventure? hundreds of dungeons and adventure areas? i take adventure areas to be like... a fort with trolls or elves in it... hundreds??? where's my hundreds???

Play any of Agon's six dominant races. Each race has a unique set of abilities, as well as its own civilization, culture, and way of life. <<< unique set of abiltieis? like the wolf guys running as fast as a horsey? oh wait... that doesn't exist. what are my unique racial abilties again?
 

Meet hundreds of unique monsters, and take them on in their lairs, strongholds and domains. Repetitive monster encounters are a thing of the past.  <<< hundreds of unique monsters?  repetitive monster encounters are a thing of the past?  where are my hundreds of uniques and my non-repetitive encounters?

Experience a world brought to life by real-world physics and dynamic lighting and shadows. Watch trees and grass sway in the wind as sunlight peeks through passing clouds. Observe the movements of Agon's twin moons, which are part of a dynamic planetary system with smooth day/night cycles. Sail your ship through rough seas, then become hampered by fog as the waters calm. Struggle as your battlefield-bound army marches into a severe storm. In Darkfall, the weather is more than just window dressing.   <<< um, where is all this weather that has such crazy affects on warfare (both land and sea)... i mean, the weather in darkfall is more than just window dressing... why is it that a wind which can move a huge 200'+ tall tree, at its base... doesn't even mess up the hair on my character?  i mean... wind that can move that tree, at its base... is hurricane cat 5 if not 6...

Uncover the mysteries of an ancient civilization, which left more than just ruins for later generations to discover. Untold riches and incredible power is the prize, as you join the race to claim an age-old inheritance  << a number of us have traveled far and wide... wtf does this statement refer to?  has anyone found ANY of this?

You don?t have to spend endless hours playing in order to enjoy yourself, or to become successful. Even if you only play in small doses, your character can be effective within his chosen field, and a lot of fun to play. Whether you?re looking for intense involvement or just casual fun without a huge time investment, Darkfall accommodates your playing style.   <<< actual experience playing ingame proves this statement to be false.  in order to be successful, in pretty much any field, you have to macro for days/weeks.  if someone has experiences that contradict these experiences of myself (and clan/alliance m8s of mine); please post the examples, not just "nuh huh, you're wrong"... cuz it's rigor pyramids, walls of pain, swimming/running/sprinting/crouchwalking while at work/sleep, and all sorts of other macroing, in order to be considered successful in darkfall.

 

In Darkfall, there?s much more to character development than, say, raising your riding or mining skill by mindlessly killing rats all day. Instead, you'll need to practice your skills if you want to get better at them. Darkfall?s skill based system makes sense, and it saves you from having to waste your playing time leveling.   << again, from actually playing the game, all i do is level my character.  every 25 points of a skill, you get the message "your skill X has increased to a new level".  everyone shoots for the skill 75+ area of skills.  so it's just a bunch of macroing to get to that level.  the core of the game is sieging (i.e. taking and holding territory), you NEED to have high levels of combat skills (both attack and defense) in order to be successful at sieging.  yes, a lot of zerging happens... a lot of zergers also have high levels in their skils.

 

You will never have to re-roll your character again. With Darkfall?s flexible character development system, your character simply adapts to the choices you make for him. We give you hundreds of skills to learn and master, and around a hundred Prestige classes to further specialize in.   << what prestige classes?

You have the freedom to follow the rules, or to break them and face the consequences. Darkfall?s Alignment system is hard but fair.  << um... big deal, i become "evil" and i can't go to the starter areas... is there something in the starter areas that i care about?  i don't understand how this alignment system matters at all.

Multiple safeguards protect you from cheats and exploits that would otherwise interfere with your gaming experience.  << this is about the most inaccurate statement so far -- speed hacks, piggy backing, flying ships, et cetera...

 

In Darkfall, all items in the world can be made by the players. << this is simply a lie.

Darkfall?s crafting system is intuitive, non-repetitive, challenging, useful, fun - and profitable. Using Darkfall?s virtually limitless item creator system, you could invent and be the first to use a weapon as awesome as the Flamefury Raudstaal Battleaxe of Bloodshed, or just make a simple saddle for your horse.   << the bolded, italicized, underlined portion is simply a lie.

 

Bring your goods to market using Darkfall?s sophisticated and secure trading system, bringing buyers and sellers together easily whether they?re inside the game or not.  << this does not exist.

Protect your home and expand your holdings as you build your empire. In Darkfall, clans struggle for supremacy and survival as they compete over land ownership, resources, and strategic objectives.  << what strategic objectives?  it lists land ownership, resources AND strategic objectives... i can see the first two... where is the third?

Your victories are documented for posterity and success is measurable, so you'll never have to wonder what really happened. << where is the "legend" "legendary" or whatever this system is called.. where is it?

There are no safe zones in Darkfall. The only protection you can count on is your friends watching your back.   << tons of safe zones.  this is another outright lie.

Darkfall places no restrictions on player interaction, so there are no developer imposed safe zones, no realms, factions, PvP zones, or any other roadblocks that limit your game. Anyone can fight anyone, anywhere as long as they are willing to face the consequences - in the form of Darkfall?s alignment system.  << did someone forget to tell tasos that darkfall has safe zones? and again, what purpose does the alignment system serve, in a practical sense?

 

  You can enjoy easy communication with your friends, even while outside the game. Darkfall?s Communication interface includes in-game message and trade boards, an IRC-style chat system, instant messaging, voice support, and even mobile phone SMS messaging.<< how do i activate something other than the bulky, idiotically implemented text chat?

Trade your hard earned items using Darkfall?s secure trade interface and in-game trade boards.   << does darkfall have ANY features which the site says it has?  seriously.

When you play Darkfall, you take part in a constantly evolving, world-spanning storyline. Your reputation will precede you, and your fame will grow through clan victories and individual achievements. Whether you're a fearless fighter, a respected leader, a persuasive politician, or a skilled artisan, you will get the recognition you deserve. In Darkfall, your deeds and views are recorded and chronicled as you become a part of - and a shaper of - world history. With Darkfall?s narrative Legend system, your name will live in fame or in infamy, and it will never be forgotten.  <<the narrative legend system is... where exactly?  more lies?

Top clans and top individual players from various gaming genres will be there, along with over ten thousand simultaneous players per world. You?re in very good company.  << over ten thousand simultaneous (means the same as "concurrent") players per world... do NOT see this happening.  if someone has factual links to this occurring, please provide them.  i think this is more bullshit at this point.

Test your mettle in Darkfall?s Arena Events where individual players and teams compete for fun and profit.   << you do not build "teams" to siege.  sieging is not competition for fun.  where are these arena events?  this is listed completely separately from other types of "pvp", so please do not attempt to mistake this with something OTHER than what it plainly states itself to be.

Every single person involved in the production of Darkfall is a gamer first and foremost. We?ve been where you?ve been, and we play the games you play.  <<< if this is true; then, why don't they build the game we want to play?

We are committed to delivering and maintaining a complete, stable, and balanced game; a game that makes good on its promises, with regular and free expansion-size updates, prompt and swift customer service, and superior value for our players. << total and complete bullshit.

Darkfall offers you more ways to give feedback, and more ways to collaborate with the Darkfall Team in the evolution of the game. Your voice is heard loud and clear.  <<i do not think these words mean what tasos and company think they mean.

 

 

they have recently updated the website, as a couple of dozen OTHER features, which were advertised for YEARS on the official site, have been removed...

 

so, does anyone have information on where/how to access all these advertised features?  i mean, i could just be really stupid and unable to figure out how to access all these groovy features in (and out) of game.  my clan and alliance can both be filled with idiots and unable to figure any of these items out.

but, as a darkfall player, i truly am tired of people lying about what this game is supposed to have, and is not supposed to have.  this is a truncated list, as they DID delete many features from the website, a couple of months AFTER the game was released into retail.

 

several items in the list above, i have seen numerous people on this forum, making contradictory statements about.  for example, recently someone went on about "darkfall people have NEVER claimed to be able to handle 10,000 concurrent players, just 10,000 subs"... quite a few items listed above, have been routinely contradicted by people on this forum, and since no one can be bothered to read the official website and stop misquoting it -- i have quoted it for everyone.

 

again, please, if you have examples of the items which i believe are missing... provide them... thanks in advance to everyone for your efforts in this collaborative effort.

 

 

 

I'll keep it nice and short.
The website is out of date, everyone knows this. It hasn't been updated for 4 or more years.

They will be bringing us a new site "soon", and my guess is that you will probably be able to use in-game features (friends, clan management) through the site.

I'll edit the post with a link where they hint at a new site.

the site has been recently updated, as a number of items have been removed, or changed (i.e. only one character per account).

so i don't know why you're saying the site is out of date.

it was updated directly prior to release (remember the jokes about the new border?), and it's been updated at least twice, if not three times, since release.

i'm dealing with factual information.  not spurious statements with nothing to back them.  please stick with the facts.  thank you.