I like SwToR and can see the potential the game has for the next few years. I also am a person that has loved sandbox mmos in the past. My life has changed and I dont have the time I used to to sit down for hours on end to play a game. SwToR allows me to play when I'm able and not feel useless.

Would I have liked swtor to be swg2 ..... sure, am I endlessly disappointed....no.

I still would like to see a game that is an actual living breathing world that allows me to live within it. I would prefer scifi because i am sick of trolls and elves. There are game companies out there still making new styles and such but no one and I repeat no one has made anything innovative in the genre since the mmo market first began.

Some day someone will get the whole living breathing world thing and make a game that is truly that. Unti then I will enjoy playing swtor because at present it is what I enjoy.

I do sort of see what your saying op.

:)

Well if Cryptic managed to sell more than they ever dreamed of lifetime subs for Champions (because of beta access to STO) for 299.99 then I'm gonna say SWToR should probably be in the $350 range.

Originally posted by Baikal

The only real catch is the 3-6 hour queues on some servers which is utterly ridiculous. Once you get in-game its a good experience. I just hope since they have those issues during prime time logins on probably 50% of the their servers they either come up with a solution, or add more servers.

The biggest shame is for guilds who are still waiting for members to get in game, and who have to look at 'em and tell 'em to queue in 3-4 hours at least before they want to play.

Despite that, still a better release than other MMO's where server crashes are the norm, or they are bug riddled. I'd give Rift a thumbs up so far to anyone who'd ask. While it isnt worth a 3-6 hour queue, it is worth a little wait to enjoy.

Agreed, can you imagine what the ques for SWTOR will look like ......... 

Originally posted by Focus*Bankai

www.tentonhammer.com/node/78277

 

the absolute BEST part of the whole article and they sum it up quite nicely.

 

Getting back to the 2,000 replies, this sort of forum overreaction embodies what a mockery beta has become. Every gasbag thinks he or she has the complete picture of the game by virtue of focus-testing a small part of the game a few hours each week, then reacts with outrage when the overall reality doesn't fit the picture in their head. What's the endgame? Developers will be increasingly unwilling to talk to anyone about their games in the future for fear of a sales snarling, pre-launch insurrection, and absolutely everything they say will pass through the PR filter. That means less information of any kind, even honest-to-goodness info, in favor of a sliced-and-diced, pre-packaged glib perception of the game prior to launch.

If that's what you all want, keep flaming. Keep interpreting dev comments on in-development games as gospel truth, instead of a snapshot of their current thinking. They're just after your pre-order money and box costs, right? Nevermind that they only make money with ongoing monthly subscriptions, threaten to cancel your pre-orders before you have the whole story
. In other words, be the asshats the Internet allows you to be, and see if devs don't give you less of a say in how these games turn out.

Good post OP couldn't agree more.
 

I feel better that Jack came clean for why this is happening. I have faith in Cryptic. I also like that he said that they'll listen to the player base for direction...

Overall I am not as upset as I thought I would be. The mere fact that this is a Star Trek game and an mmo leads us to unlimited possibillites over time. This can become one awesome game over the next couple years and well into the future.

A few years back (2005 I think) I was in a hardcore raid guild in EQ2, we raided nightly from 6-7pm until 1-2am. At that point in time I would have agreed then that raiders should have the best. Now however as I am a little older and life a lot busier I am unable to raid like that and have changed my opinion to soloer's need love too if the developers wish to get their money. I am simply unable to raid like I used to but have not lost my love for mmorpg's. Maybe raiders could have a little better stuff, but just barely.

EQ2 had a set of legacy quests (i think thats what they were called) that gave you a lot of the must have items in game, now for some parts of those quests you needed a group but a large part of each very lengthy quest chain was soloable. Maybe this is an approach devs could keep in mind.

The point is I want to be able to have some of the games better gear and I pay the same money every month that everyone else does, so should I be punished because I have a busy life? Jobs, wives, kids and other things take priority over sitting in front of my computer 10 hours a day, however I am still able to play 3 or 4 nights a week for a couple hours a night, do I not deserve to have nice gear in my chosen game? If the mmo company wants my money I had better be able too.

Just my thoughts as an older gamer.

The game was awesome...

1 word : Grinder

2 words: Korean Grinder.

The only games I have played that were not mmo's over the last few years are:  Fallout 3, Fable 3 & Mass Effect. Dragon Age is by far the best. In fact I just woke up, checking all my mmo sites whhile I have coffee then it'll be back to DA:O.

Awesome game....no other way to describe it.

STO ? :P

if it is then you are actually allowed to say your in but thats it.

Gratz

They have ruined it for everyone.

GG

Originally posted by ABRaquel

Originally posted by RICK46

well from what has been said on the boards is that they are going to rampup beta invites, But it is not going to be just the paid first. The line is long and everyone has to wait till it is thier turn. paying to get it does not make your first in line , I wish it did :)

 

Actually they just confirmed that those that purchased the 6 month/Lifetime for CO will be the getting in first.

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Actually that post is over a month old and he has since recanted that statement. However they have said that paid beta keys will be amongst the first to get in....eventually.

I'm a lifetime subber here and still no invite....so waiting patiently.

I'm still waiting...lifetimer here. However thay have stated that even if you are garaunteed a beta slot that you may not be in the first wave or two as they ramp up their concurrent user count. But you will eventually get in.

That cracked me up. CCP you R awesome!!!

Now thats a work environment I could get in to.

Bravo CCP.

The game you seek doesn't exist yet unfortunately.

Well as upset as I was about the patch at least this shows their starting to listen to the players.

I'll be sticking with the game because it is a lot of fun and I have had a blast with character creation, you can literally get caught up creating your toon and then notice that you've just spent 45 minutes creating him /her.

Have to to say this is such a breath of fresh air from fantasy games.

Champions Online get a 8/10 from me.

Part of the reason for limited number of sub - specials was to limit the number of people that would be garaunteed beta access to STO.

Why is everyone on the MMORPG forums so negative lately. It seems like everyone hates everything.  OMG this game SUCKS anyone who plays it is a complete loser......blah blah blah.

I remember joining these forums a few years back and really enjoying coming here for info on my prefered style of gaming....MMO's. Over the past few months maybe a year it seems like everyone here either has an agenda because THEY are playing the best game and all others suck , or because only THEY know what the best games are going to be and the rest of us are clueless.

Can these people really be that angry at the world?  Did someone cut off their meds?

Why can't we come here and discuss intelligently the pros and cons of different games. Let's get these forums back to what they were intended to do. Help shape a community and hopefully have a small impact on what gaming companies think and consider when designing their next game.

Flame away.

I was hardly romantising drugs...considering I've never used them. I was meerly trying to point out Biowares tactic or approach to gaming and the effects there methods are having.

Are you saying that anyone who ever used the term evercrack was a drug user?

Adolescent? I'm 40 so not sure how you worked that out.

Can you say forum troll?

It is absolutely important. How many of us click through the npc wall of text crits as fast as possible so we can get to the next step of the quest. I know that when some epic quests were voiced I actually listened to the entire thing and really enjoyed those quests. I often found myself often wishing the next quest was more of the same, only to be dissappointed to be clicking away frantically to get to the next step.

I for one am looking forward to them drawing us into their world.

Now that certaining doesnt mean I can live without all the other elements I also love about MMOs. Lets just hope Bioware doesnt forgo them.

First we had Evercrack.....now, Biometh.

If people thought Everquest was to gamers what crack was to junkies ...well Bioware the entire company is our new drug.

Thats the feeling you get once you`ve gotten over an addiction to Mass Effect, only to realize that Dragon Age is just down the street at the next corner. A little further down the road they`ve gotten Mass Effect 2. Then on the other side of town they`ve got all the fancy lights ready for their next big party to introduce us to TOR.

Upon completing Mass Effect I realized they really do get you with the story driven elements of their gameplay. I could hardly wait to play the game again and again untill it was complete. Even then I went through the game again making different choices at different points I felt to be significant. They really pull you into the game world they set out before you.

Dragon Age looks even more fantastic than Mass Effect. Let us all not forget that Mass Effect 2 is coming soon. Now Bioware is entering the MMO market only to bring us their addictive drug all day long, ever day of the week, ever week of the year.

Welcome to the world of Biometh. Tread carfully friends for you may be the next junkie.

I love Bioware.