Originally posted by wrekognize

Originally posted by Axehilt

Originally posted by wrekognize

Originally posted by LadyNoh

GRINDING IS BORING. seriously. do you quake with excitement with the thought of killing the same mob for the next 3-6 hours. if your life is so terribly dull that it is appealing to you, seek mental help.

 

I feel the exact same way about people who grind quest after quest in order to advance their character.  For me, I enjoy the freedom of killing the same mob 3-6 hours if I want. Or, completeing a dungeon for a few hours to advance. Or, hunting locked chests and fighting mobs in order to open them in order to advance my skill. Or, Etc... Give me multiple options, not just damn quest after quest. That is the true grind.

Well in a mob grind game you cannot escape the mob grind at all.

Whereas in a quest game you can still grind if you want (alone or in groups), or you can choose to do quests (which are individually optional.)  More variety, more options, more freedom.

Not true. Because in today's MMO, they design the progression in a way that makes it nearly impossible to "grind". Questing is basically you're only option. The only game I saw accomplish this was SWG NGE (believe it or not).  None quest driven games could offer the grind, quests, dungeon runs, different type missions and etc.  Current quest driven MMOs do not aim for this type of freedom. Questing is the grind.

Grinding is ALWAYS an option, no matter what the game is like (questing or otherwise). You don't have to follow the quests to get to the end-game.

Hell, back in the day, there were leveling guides for WoW where grinding was the quickest, preffered leveling option for those who wanted to level quickly. It may not be the same now, but if you prefer grinding mob after mob rather than doing quests, the options is ALWAYS available to you, whether a slower option or not.

It's in no way "nearly impossible" to grind levels today. Or, it's no harder to grind through levels today than it was to be FORCED to grind through levels for years back in the day.

If you can't stop yourself from questing, then it means the questing is more fun than grinding. Period.

The MMO design that the OP talked about has pretty much everything listed that would make me NOT want to play, and NOT have fun.

While I will agree that instancing should be done away with to a degree, and I would like a castle siege, wars, etc., I absolutely disagree with grinding levels for years... it's more boring than anything instancing or quick leveling has ever done for the genre.

If you're gonna force someone to grind for eternity to an endless level cap, or even one that takes years, you might as well just remove levels entirely. Maybe have skill points given based on achievements in the game along with gear, but not actually have a number attached to it. That way people who didn't start playing for a year after their friends won't have to ONLY GRIND for a year just to play with them... and when I say grind for a year, I mean possibly years, because that first friend wouldn't have just stopped because of his friend joining.

And in all honesty, I don't have the time to get to max everything in a month on ANY game at the moment. We don't all have infinite time to play like you do apparently. :P

I have no problem with certain gear being incredibly hard to obtain. That's for the people who want to be the best of the best, but there should always less exciting, slightly worse gear that is available to those who don't feel like putting in the time and effort on that, and want to do other things.

Ehh, I'm done. On a final note: MMO's today are NOT single player games with chat options. They're only single player games if you want to solo through everything to max level and then completely stop, or reroll. There are always going to be plenty of opportunities for social interaction, but it's up to the player if they want to participate. Some people are completely anti-social and prefer not to group, while others are grouping all the time. Oddly enough, it's those anti-socials who don't even try that end up complaining about MMO's being "single player with chat options."

Originally posted by Fennris

Skyrim doesn't have lightsabers.

Also, pretty much everything about Skyrim's UI is crap.  I know that it is because they designed it for a console first but I don't count that as a valid excuse for why my PC game's interface was almost unusable.  SWTOR's strength is not in its UI (which is still being tweaked) but it is much better than Skyrim's.

So you're saying your mind is incapable of adapting to situations you're not used to?

That's too bad.

I switched from PS3 Skyrim to the PC because of the graphics quality and I am having no problem whatsoever with the UI. Also you can download a mod that makes the UI better, but I didn't bother yet.

It's really not near as bad as you think.

Back on topic: Skyrim is a better game, I suppose. But why bother bringing it up? Skyrim and SWTOR are two entirely different genres. Just because Skyrim has an MMO feel with VO acting doesn't mean anything because it's a single player game, so there's a lot of technical hurdles, situations, limitations,  etc., that SWTOR would have to go through simply because of it being online, having a large amount of people running around rather than one, etc.

So, this entire thread is pointless, like 90% of the threads on this site.

Originally posted by Durray

On this forums I simply advise fellow PvP'ers caution there is exceptionally little.

I don't know about exceptionally little... seems to be right on par with the standard PvP for theme park MMO's.  3 Warzones (Battlegrounds) with more on the way, that can be done from level 10 and up. There's worlds like Alderaan with overlapping Empire/Republic  areas for plenty of pvp on pvp servers, not to mention an area that is specifically for FFA PvP and will flag you whether on a pvp server or not.

There a planet in the later levels that is entirely for pvp as far as I've been told. I'm sure there's some pve objectives thrown in, too, but meh. 

Seems fine to me.  I can't see how a pvper couldn't roll on a pvp server and find a load of it.

But I'm more into pve with some pvp on the side, so I guess it wouldn't matter as much to me. Either way, "exceptionally little" seems to be an exaggeration.

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

Originally posted by Gajari

... but I can't get into any of the content after that. I've played for the last month and I've gone through almost every starting class multiple times to try the advanced classes and the same thing happens every time... I do a few Warzones (which are fun those first few times, then become stale), do the first Flashpoint, grind through Coruscant or Dromund Kaas, if I even get through it, get bored. I got to the space combat on a few occasions and that was fun for like a half hour.

I'm trying soooooo haaaaard to get into the game. lol

I guess joining a guild could improve things if I got to know people, but I've been in a couple and every time there always seems to be someone that's my class talking about stuff happening in the story not far after I am and killing whatever motivation I have to continue that.

The game isn't bad, and the graphics are great (Coruscant is amazing), but even after taking a break from MMO's for almost a year, this wasn't quite as refreshing an experience as I was hoping for. lol

I think it's more my problem since most of it is similar to other MMO's out there, which I was already burnt out on. The first couple times I ran Esseles or Black Talon was fun as hell, though, as were the starting planets.

There doesn't seem to be any long-term grab for me, though. :(

I'll keep trying as long as I have access though, since I did just renew for another month anyway.

I, I don't know what to think about this. It almost sounds like a troll post. You spend the entire post saying you found no real enjoyment in the game after lvl 11, then you say you resubbed?

 

It really is ok not to like a game. You can walk away.

I resubbed because I was still in the middle of trying out another class and wasn't 100% sold that I couldn't get into the game with one of them.

... but I can't get into any of the content after that. I've played for the last month and I've gone through almost every starting class multiple times to try the advanced classes and the same thing happens every time... I do a few Warzones (which are fun those first few times, then become stale), do the first Flashpoint, grind through Coruscant or Dromund Kaas, if I even get through it, get bored. I got to the space combat on a few occasions and that was fun for like a half hour.

I'm trying soooooo haaaaard to get into the game. lol

I guess joining a guild could improve things if I got to know people, but I've been in a couple and every time there always seems to be someone that's my class talking about stuff happening in the story not far after I am and killing whatever motivation I have to continue that.

The game isn't bad, and the graphics are great (Coruscant is amazing), but even after taking a break from MMO's for almost a year, this wasn't quite as refreshing an experience as I was hoping for. lol

I think it's more my problem since most of it is similar to other MMO's out there, which I was already burnt out on. The first couple times I ran Esseles or Black Talon was fun as hell, though, as were the starting planets.

There doesn't seem to be any long-term grab for me, though. :(

I'll keep trying as long as I have access though, since I did just renew for another month anyway.

What's KOA?

Originally posted by Deewe

Now about innovation may I lecture you about some of the things that are missing in TOR:

 

1. Swimming
2. Third party addons
3. Minigames like card games or slot gamers
4. Dual spec
5. Day/night cycles
6. Non humanoid based playable races
7. Planetary housing
8. Housing furnishing
9. Animal based pet classes
10. Resources for crafting that do have quality
11. Complex crafting system
12. Guild leveling system
13. Animal mounts
14. Flying mounts
15. PvP Arenas
16. Collision detection between characters
17. Macros
18. Barber / Image Designer
19. Appearance tabs
20. Fishing
21. Guild "Tabard"
22. Multiplayer mounts
23. Gear Dyes
24. Shared storage bank slots
25. In game voice chat
26. LFG tool
27. Guild bank
28. Incentives for socialization
29. Character extended body customization
30. 3 Factions RvR
31. Wolrd PvP
32. RPG tools
33. Underwater content
34. 3d exploration

Most of these aren't missing... they're just unnecessary. Also it makes me believe you just wanna play WoW... so please go play WoW. :(

1. Unnecessary.

2. Unnecessary.

3. Pretty sure it's in the works.

4. Not bad to have, but ultimately unnecessary.

5. Unnecessary.

6.  I think this is in the works.

7. There's ships, so why?

8. Wouldn't mind being able to furnish the ship and make it unique, but it's not overly needed.

9. Unnecessary.

10. Uh..??

11. It's more complex than most MMO's already... have you and/or your crew gather stuff, make some stuff, reverse engineering and learn new, better ways to make that piece of gear, etc.

12 - 17. Unnecessary and/or stupid. Especially the PvP Arenas.

18. We do need this, and I'm sure it is coming at some point.

19. Probably on the way.

20 - 22. Unnecessary.

23. This one is coming.

24 - 25. Unnecessary.

26. Already in the game.

27. Unnecessary.

28. I've been socializing quite a bit either talking in general, or joining groups for flashpoints, heroic areas, etc. But if you mean a reason to socialize outside of combat, then sure, that would be nice.

29. Agree here.

30. Unnecessary.

31. Already in the game.

32. Unnecessary.

33. Unnecessary.

34. Don't know what you're going for with this.

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A lot of these points suggest you either haven't played the game, or you didn't play passed the starter area.

OP:

It's actually quite the reverse. It's an MMO with single player aspects. Your character has a story like in a single player game, and it's told like in one, but it's small part of the overall design.

There are lots of other players around.

There are lots of Heroic areas where people have to come together to complete it.

Flashpoints

Warzones

Operations

Ilum open world PVP

Etc.

You can choose to play this game as single player if you want, but you'll be missing out on so much of the game. Yes, I realize the OP was not being negative about the game, but personally, just the title itself is negative to me because it's misleading and in no way accurate.

It's as single player as the person playing wants to make it. If you're completely anti-social, sure, it's a single player game. Otherwise, make lots of friends, and do lots of stuff together and it's no longer single player. Which is how it should be.

Anyway, moving on. This horse has been beaten to death one too many times.

Hm... personally, I don't have any issue with this stuff. SWTOR is no better or worse than any other MMO for this stuff, imo, and the places really don't feel 'dead'. Could be better, but could be worse. Sounds to me like you played Skyrim and confused it with an MMO and are basing opinions on that.

Would anyone really fall for something so obvious? I meant, look at the grmamar:

"Note that you can choose to ignore this message if you ignore this message, you will not get to our surprise gift for you."

I mean, it seems so professional. Just remember guys: You can choose to ignore this message if you ignore this message, but you will not get to their surprise gift. :(

Originally posted by xion12121

          The game is decent as a free to play type game. But it is not an mmo its more of a single player RPG with some chat thrown in. Who is actually willing (Be honest) to pay $15 dollars  a month for a game not worth one penny???

It's as social of an MMO as you're personally willing to make it... I've been having a blast in flashpoints, warzones, heroic areas, etc.

I've been talking to people A LOT, and grouping with people A LOT, and just generally seeing them around doing stuff. That is what an MMO is about.

Don't blame the game for your own anti-social tendencies. Your one argument you posted here isn't even an argument, nor accurate.

To answer your question, though, I'll be paying the $15 monthly fee, as well as many others.

I thought the OP was being sarcastic with the title at first, and I was about to read a hate thread. I was surprised.

Originally posted by adam_nox

1.  Staggered early access jading a good 75% of the preorder playerbase.

2.  Huge queues.  Which is pointless, they will have to open new servers the 20th, may as well open enough now to avoid massive overpopulation.

3. Gave a list of 40 servers tues or wed, and said they'd go live the next day.  They didn't.  To date, only about 6 have. 

4.  Yes grace period.  No grace period... okay SOME grace period!

5  zero communication from devs on their official forums, limited announcements on facebook.  Most responses come from twitter and if you aren't on it, then you won't see them.

 

I'm sorry to waste your time with this post, but I've just had enough.  I wanted a fair shot at my favorite MMO charnames, that got taken away due to staggered access, now I'm waiting for the servers they said they would be opening to try again.  I've gotten only 5 or so hours of sleep the last 3 nights, as I just watch the forums and server status page for updates.  Now it looks like it's going to extend into tomorrow, when my family is coming 3 hours to my house to celebrate my birthday.

FML.

[mod edit] It's a small minority of people who complain on forums compared to those just chillin' and playing when they can play.

Yes, there have been a few issues, but nothing that should be overexaggerated as the "worst launch in MMO history." Some games were unplayable for weeks until they sorted things out. Most people are in and having an awesome time with very few problems.

The queues are an issue they hopefully work out soon, but I'd rather a queue to the game being down entirely with no chance to play at all.

This isn't the worst launch ever; this is the worst launch you're experiencing RIGHT NOW. And from the title of this thread, I have a feeling you're quite new to MMO launches.

Nice one, OP. I was actually expecting a hate thread, as I'm sure everyone else was, too. :)

Originally posted by warmaster670

Originally posted by kevjards

Originally posted by warmaster670

Originally posted by kevjards

Originally posted by Wrender

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by Agricola1

You purchased TOR from Tesco? That's like me purchasing my groceries from GAME then getting all peeved because the bacon was out of date and the bread was stale.

 

Don't be ridiculous. Tescos is a legitimate seller of games and a legitimate place to buy them.

http://www.tescoentertainment.com/store/browse/games/ 

He has a right to be peeved in this situation tbh.

Ya he's mad but in a month or less he will be playing TOR cause everyone he knows will be playing it. Including his mom, dad, grandma, both next door neighbors and pretty much everyone on the freakin planet. ToR is gonna be huge! I predict it will make WoW sales seem like piddlings in comparison....

i can guarantee you this..i will not be playing swtor at anytime near or future at all..i dont deal with dishonest companies who lie to people.

you being a noob and not knowing whats going on equals them lying to you know? get a grip on reality.

wow so you resort to abuse..Mmmm nice person.

people who wont take resposibilty for there actions and try to blame others dont deserve niceness, you screwed up, you didnt preorder from one of the participating sites, nut up and be an adult and take responsility.

 

Oh wait, i forgot, bioware "screwed" you.

Originally posted by warmaster670

Originally posted by kevjards

Originally posted by warmaster670

Originally posted by kevjards

Originally posted by Wrender

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by Agricola1

You purchased TOR from Tesco? That's like me purchasing my groceries from GAME then getting all peeved because the bacon was out of date and the bread was stale.

 

Don't be ridiculous. Tescos is a legitimate seller of games and a legitimate place to buy them.

http://www.tescoentertainment.com/store/browse/games/

He has a right to be peeved in this situation tbh.

Ya he's mad but in a month or less he will be playing TOR cause everyone he knows will be playing it. Including his mom, dad, grandma, both next door neighbors and pretty much everyone on the freakin planet. ToR is gonna be huge! I predict it will make WoW sales seem like piddlings in comparison....

i can guarantee you this..i will not be playing swtor at anytime near or future at all..i dont deal with dishonest companies who lie to people.

you being a noob and not knowing whats going on equals them lying to you know? get a grip on reality.

wow so you resort to abuse..Mmmm nice person.

people who wont take resposibilty for there actions and try to blame others dont deserve niceness, you screwed up, you didnt preorder from one of the participating sites, nut up and be an adult and take responsility.

 

Oh wait, i forgot, bioware "screwed" you.

It wasn't entirely his fault because this Tesco company did have the early access advertised, did they not? Just because it wasn't on BW's list doesn't mean that everyone is going to be in the know about such things. If Tesco couldn't supply, then they shouldn't have offered it for sale with all the pre-order bonuses.

This is not the OP or BioWare's fault. The blame lies completely with Tesco.

Originally posted by kevjards

Originally posted by Ikeda

Originally posted by kevjards

your not listening or looking..look at the link on the first post..that says it all..also i,ve learnt that a lot of uk companies selling this game are not getting keys either..put y/self in my place m8..would you be pissed if u had money taken from your account for an item only to find you aint even getting it..c'mon even you would'nt be that naive.also all those not digital are goin to be very lucky to receive their copies thru the post..given the time of year.dont get me wrong m8..if they had'nt taken the money i would.nt have bothered..but the fact that they took the money for a game they have.nt sent,nor kept up their end of the bargain,says everything.everyone is entitled to their opinion and i do respect your m8.

And what you're saying is that you bought from a company not on the list.  The COMPANY website lies to you (probably cut and paste from other websites).  And you're blaming Bioware.  Simple as that.  Unless you bought from Origin you can't complain.  They give you a list of all the retailers they work with.  If Tesco isn't on the list... be informed.  C'mon.

even the list that origin have for the uk tells porkies,play.com is one of them and they did the same thing there..look at the reviews.look lets draw a line here guys i think i,ve been had,has the post says,you guys mostly disagree,but you didnt have money taken from your account i did..lets just agree to disagree lol..and all you swtor guys,i really hope  you enjoy the game..and may the force be with you..or in my case 'may the farce be with me'

You've definitely been had. I just don't think you're placing the blame with the right company is all. But it's all good, plenty of games out there. Good luck. :)

Originally posted by kevjards

so last week on the 8th i decide to purchase swtor..thinking yeah i,ll get in late.maybe not get in early access at all.my first problem came when i didnt receive the key i was supposed to..when i phoned my Tesco entertaiment website to ask where it was,they told me they dont have any keys because bioware could,nt be bothered to send em to Tesco..good start bioware.then whats even worse is while i,m having a conversation with i can only describe has a really nice guy,something clicks..i aint even getting the game sent either..they had no problems taking my money,but when it was time for them to deliver,big letdown.so me being of older persuation didnt kick up that much of a fuss.i said to the guy..is there anyway i can cancel this game..mainly because bioware lied to me.and i dont mean the early access thing..ffs i cant even set up a sub.so because the british mailing system is like the rest of the world at christmas they guy cancelled it from there end..moral of the story is..dont trust any company when they say they want to look after the people and let them enjoy what they have paid for..lookily enough Tesco got me my money back and i thank them for that.and tesco gave me £15 to keep me happy..i think mainly cos i was so polite with them.

what i would like to say is all those that purchased SWTOR and got in ok..good luck to you guys,hope you enjoy the game..has for bioware,you are on my blacklist along with EA.oh and if there is any misunderstanding about the early access thing..in the advertisement its promised early access,not might get early access..here is the link

http://www.tescoentertainment.com/store/games/personal-computer-star-wars--the-old-republic/8:775809/

Sorry OP, but this sounds more like a problem with your shoddy third-party retailer than BioWare.  First off, this Tesco place took your money and should have been on top of this situation from the get-go, not passing the blame to BioWare/EA. I highly doubt that BW/EA "couldn't be bothered" to send out access codes and games to people who are purchasing them.

Personally, I'd be more upset at Tesco for having done the transaction at all without being able to follow through. But I guess they bought you off so you wouldn't be upset with them, so whatever.

Anyway, enjoy not enjoying the SWToR experience!

Originally posted by thedealerx

While I respect the view that they had good reasons to stagger the launch, I have just heard that certain guilds being active and ONLINE have been able to recruit and swell their ranks. for instance Oblivion guild on the server Black Vulkars

   only deployed with             ha  Only had 12 members, because they had a couple of members that pre-ordered early, they were granted access on the 1st wave on the 1sr day. now their ranks are almost 80. Now if another guild that wanted to be competitive got access say on Sat how is this fair?

This isnt a post of rage nor is it a QQ affair, I'm just pointing out something no one has mentioned yet

They're putting guilds on separate servers and they're opening up new servers on launch day. So what if there are one or two guilds at the moment who have swelled their ranks? There are plenty of other people out there who are wanting to make guilds or are guildless. There will never be an end to the supply of people looking for guilds. Especially since a lot of people aren't even in-game yet, and there are plenty of people who are going to be purchasing the game in the future.

'Nuff said.

Originally posted by blythega

 

I originally preordered this game based on the believe I was getting early access starting on the 15th December. Then a new communications is released indicating a 13th release with waves of invites.

If I read the EA correctly I was of the impression that they moved the EA back from the 15th to the 13th and decided to do waves of invites based on first come first served. However, I also understood these waves were only to occur up until the 15th then everyone else gets into the EA for the original 5 day period they announced. (I thought we still got a full 5 days for pre-ordering). 

Is this not the case? i.e. the waves will continue right through the whole EA period now?

If this is true then  what was the point of the early access if some people don't get the full original 5 days announced and promised for my pre-order?

This has got to be one of the most confusing communications from a company I have ever witnessed.

 

 

 

I bet it sucks to be wrong and then make a thread about it just to try and convince yourself and others that you're right after all.

Doesn't change the fact you still misread and were/are wrong about this.