Same still no in game package deal... might just uninstall and say screw it tried the game cause of this and not overly impressed to begin with.

Still waiting...

Ok so I just won this in game package deal on here but have no idea what i am getting and cannot seem to find where they put that info? Anyone here know what it is and if it's worth anything to players playing?

Ok I just noticed that the contest for the IGG stuff ended like 2hours ago and the results still are not up anyone know how long it takes for them to actually get the results up? I've missed out on a winner before cause of the 24 hours deal but I figured that was because they almost instantly apply the results... what's the deal?

Ya csthao, I also got that same message. Fortunately i also receieved a special offer from Funcom the other day to reactivate my old AOC account for cheap so i already was back in and didn't have to get disappointed by that message! Hopefully they get it fixed cause if I get a "fake win" on a big prize i am not going to be happy!

The idea is something to be had in the future for sure. The idea of mixing the two types of entertainment gives everyone a bonus. With the ability to stream the show live even within the game itself... people will have no need for a tv or the channel. The advertisers would most likely be happy to be hitting double the market and provide more money which would allow the company that does it a better income source and hopefully lower the monthly costs.

As for keeping up with the content.. most shows don't create new "sets" every week so there would not be a TON of work really. These scripts are prewritten anyways so setting them up in advance "shouldn't" be too difficult.

The REAL cherry of an idea that could spawn from this is having the actual in game battles/advents/conclusions effect the shows or be broadcast on TV. That would be cool.

As for the vMTV it's just There.com with added crap lol not sure how much it is like the OP's idea. More so an old dead vworld being pumped up.

Thanks i went to check that out, but i cannot bring myself to give some random company my street address and phone number so i can tell them what's broke in their game. If they left that part out i might have signed up.

See that's the thing i played AO paid for .. since like a couple weeks after beta heh Now these "free" accounts would have me start all over again to play for free while my high level characters sit docile and unplayable for free. I just can't bring myself to do that again. :( This is the only reason i don't play AO right now.

So there is no such game in existence? :(

That's just it tho most of these have item malls so they DO make money and in order to be the "best" you need to buy these items so they aren't completely free especially for a true gamer... I am ok with that but i'd like to see something decent in return :(

I've got the US Perfect World installed, just waiting on the servers to come online lol

Is there such a thing? I mean i've tried out numerous F2P games and it seems to me they are all copies of each other.. i mean yes different story lines and different play styles here an there, but it's all one big boring grindfest with minimal questing.. little "fun" things to do and basically 0 crafting.

Not to mention usually something like 3 races with the same 3-4 classes each with minimal differences. Perhaps i haven't looked hard enough or maybe it just doesn't exist but is there a decent F2P mmo out there?

I call decent -

English speaking playerbase, Open PvP or Pvp options, Not so cookie cutter character classes, Not a complete grindfest to max level (maybe some decent storyline with quests? or just quests), a decent crafting system or a crafting system at all... Genre really don't matter to me i just want to have something new for a change.

Non fun mmo's to me the 100+ F2P korean mmo's littered with the gold farmers that made them.

I've played Anarchy Online and Shadowbane.. those are just a bit dated to me. Is there anything new or semi-new that i've missed?!

Thanks in advance.

Yes SB is pretty old, but still surprisingly has a following and flow of dedicated players.. and it's free so that helps.  Secondlife is A LOT of things... it's hard to put it into words exactly. There are of course like you said sex addicted freaks that like to whack off to pixels on there having sex with eachother, but there are a ton of other things to do.

Granted they just had to get rid of gambling which kinda sucks, but i am sure there's an underground for that going on lol Also CSI just got some sort of thing done inside SL where you can play out your CSI fun! There's an in game RPG called Everdark or something like that lol an MMO inside an MMO quite an interesting concept. Granted it's all based on an old engine and the graphics aren't the best out there muchless physics.

However, in the testing right now is the havok 4 engine so that's not too far off i'd imagine with many improvements to the game.

Granted either you spend real cash or you find a way to earn linden cash which now is boiled down to creating a unique fun game to play or interesting objects to sell etc... easy money is a thing in the past with SL :(

You want a REAL realistic economy with the ultimate sandbox you may want to look into secondlife if you haven't already, but that's more a virtual world then an mmo.

Only a few mmo's come to mind that work somewhat like this Shadowbane and Anarchy Online, both have battles for land SB has battles for resources. The crafting is pretty much just stockpile and dumb into a merchant and AO's crafting system leaves a lot to be desired. Both are free to play though.

I would like a newer game like those, but that doesn't seem to be happening anytime real soon.

Originally posted by kjemper

Simply because you (Spanky) are not capable of managing your time in such a way that allows you to do what I do, does not mean it is impossible or over exagerated.  My majors are business admin and marketing.  Alot of those classes are shared as I am sure you can guess.  Before I started my intership I used Xfire to track how many hours a week I actually spent with computer games running.  At the time it was WoW and in the month I tracked it I was constantly between 70-80 hours a week.  I've lightened it up a bit since then obviously, but it is possible regardless of whether or not you can do it. 

Some things that help me. 

• Dual monitors (I am hardly ever "just" gaming)
• Short transit times between Intern, school, and home (15 mins between each)
• No kids and a non-nagging wife
• No TV -- perhaps the biggest factor
• I am never sitting not doing anything.  I always have to be doing several things at once or I become bored easily.

If you desire a more quantitative explination.  I only sleep at most 7 hours and usually 6 and set an alarm to make sure of it.  If ever I sleep more than 7 hours I hate myself for it and feel as though I've wasted time in doing so.  Saying that I sleep in for a whole week (7 hours) I have approx 120 hours awake.  I am a morning person and take no time to get going.  It drives my wife crazy at times.  

During a week where I spend

• 50 hours playing games,  (at 30-50 a week)
• 10 (this is an over exageration) hours in transit,  (at 8-10 a week)
• 20 hours at my internship, (15-20, Iset my schedule)
• 14 hours (2 a day) tending to hygenic needs, (may be exagerated, but keep it as is)
• 1 hour shopping for food (if that, I hate shopping and the wife usually does it),
• and 5 hours cleaning house (I usually do it since I am a perfectionist)
• My classes are twice a week at one hour meetings per class.  I usually take 6 at a time during fall and spring.  So that is 12 hours of class time.

I am still left with 8 hours for other miscillanious things.  This is if I were to spend the most time possible at my internship, sleeping, transit, and playing games.  With more realistic times and all important factors not maxed out I easily add up to 32 hours (-20 gaming, -2 on trainsit, -5 sleeping, -5 at intern) on to that 8, so 8 - 40 hours a week to figure out what to do with myselfin addition to the activities I regularly do.  Remember that I also do things such as bills, study, forum browsing, cleaning, reading, etc... all while playing games because I simply have to multi-task.

I am sorry you can't seem to manage your time, but others can.  Some people don't realize how much time they waste doing nothing or over sleeping!

People also say that the fact I've only had a motorcycle to get around on is impossible since I live in the rainy NW and am married.  Well, believe what they may, it is all my wife and I have had to share as transportation for our entire marriage of nearly 5 years.  Grocery shopping is especially interesting.  Again, simply because one cannot see how they could accomplish something does not make it impossible or over exagerated.