I always hear that UK games are cheaper if you buy them in stores vs digital.  So maybe digital isn't as big there.  They do have bandwidth caps so digital isn't as viable an option as in the US

Originally posted by nerovipus32

Originally posted by TuxedoSLY

I thought there was a treaty between the Republic and the Sith. Wouldn't non stop pvp and murdering of the weaker members of the opposite faction kind of completely go against that treaty? Maybe I missed a plot point somewhere...

you obviously didn't watch the intro video did you?

The Republic and Empire do have a treaty.  Its not a spoiler to say they just don't make planetary attacks on major planet directly.  Its elaborated more in the game.  Treaty is just a farce to allow both sides to build up power, I think.  I haven't finished the story.  I keep getting bored around level 20 of my character story and make a new alt.

I agree.  PvP sucks.  No one open world PvP's.  And if you do, prepare to be yelled at.  BY YOUR OWN FACTION!   Its insane.  That means everyone warzones and the level 50's just roll everyone.  You just can't win against them.  6 people beating on an Inquisitor and he just casually walks into the goal for huttball.  And if its a pre-made 50 team.  Just find a corner to hide in and just go afk.  Cause you aint winning. 

Please note that I did not mention the overpowered Inquisitor class, the way underpowered Jedi Juggernaut class, the wonky resolve system, the chain stuns that the resolve system was suppose to solve, the 1-2 second lag, and other nit picky things....most problems could be resolved by adding tiers but I have a feeling the servers don't hold enough players to support tiers.

I have just given up.  During one of these lvl 50 face rolls, I logged into swtor and canceled my account.  I'll be back when they fix the pvp.  I could care less aboout the story after 4 months of playing beta.  I can watch that on youtube.  And the flashpoints and operations(which are broken also) are all tank-and-spank which I can get in a f2p game. 

Once you accept TOR for what it is, it is a good game.  It is MMOlite.  It does feel like a single player RPG.  The stories are great fun to experience.  But are they worth $15 a month for a whole year?  This is Bio-wares first MMO.   They made some first MMO mistakes that they can recover from.  But will the TOR fans be patient and wait for those updates.  Probably not given at how impatient gamers have become these days.

I don't think I will play next month but that is due to my playstyle.  I would like to get in most of the story for the Jedi, Warrior and Inq and then I'm done I think.  I may do the agent.  I liked the story up until I got my ship in beta.  We shall see.

Originally posted by GMan3

    Unfortunately I can not go back and check now, but my Sith Inquisitor was level 18 before I decided to move on to checking out a different class.  I don't know exactly how many powers I got, but I had not even filled two bars yet.  On top of that, a couple powers (companion revive and Teammate Revive) I didn't need to put on a skillbar since just mousing over the carcasses allowed me to click on them to use the powers.  I have to wonder if the OP didn't accidentally slot some of his "leveled up" powers on his skillbars as well as leaving the lesser versions of the powers there.  I know I almost did the first time I came upon a "leveled up" power.

    Other than that though, I really can not figure out why someone is worried about having a larger variety of abilities.  Last I knew things like that were better for making more interesting gameplay, not less.  Having played games with a lesser number of abilities at higher levels such as the "10 abilities per class at the most " I have to say I always found them extremely dull unless the developers decide to create randomizing alternate animations for abilities, which almost never happens.

    Personally, I am happy that the developers at BioWare disagrees with the OP, as do I.

It really depends on what AC you play.  The SI sorc doesn't need to use many abilities outside a small rotation.  Those heals make like so much easier.  The SI assasin can use a wider range of abilties.  And they are a mix of ranged and melee which gives a very chaotic combat feeling.  And the Assasin needs a wider range of abilties to be as effective as the SI sorc because of the lack of healing.  For my assasin, I removed abilties from my bar to make a 6 button rotation.  Went with a madness/tank spec and was good.  I'll stay away from Shadow and Assasin in the future.  Just not my thing.

The biggest benefit for adding a freemium model is that it provides extra players for the paying subscribers.  That is content that developers cannot create.  MMO's feel a lot better with hundreds of people running around versus logging in and only seeing 10 strangers here and there.

I personally like there  is an option for me to play a game for no cost.  I play MMO's that are sorta freeish and haven't inveested a dime in the cash shop.  If I ever get serious about playing for a month, then I drop $15 for that month.  I'm hoping more games adopt this model in the future.  Well, actually I just hope Everquest adds a free tier.  The rest I could care less about.

So what's the poing of your post?  The game is so bad that hundreds of thousands of people are logged in playing?

Originally posted by kage71

Oh no i have to really disagree with you there bud this game IS a console game and it is nothing to it that makes it a real MMO. SOE decided to bring out a game that you have to click click click your way through any fights and that equal consoles in itself. Now you can say well why don't a person on a pc get a gamepad? Well then that in itself proves my point. Most people who have knowledge of any MMOs knows for a fact that MMOs target pc players and this game sure enough target consoles. In my opinion since SOE did not have the ps3 players on the same server then why are we using the same UI system? It makes no sense that pc players have to click a mouse over and over again. That in itself is just hard on the fingers and hands anyways no wonder this game didn't last long during p2p.

Simple...

Change the UI and you have to create....

New animation and graphics for powers and combat animations.  You have to design a new AI because now your players are using a full QWERTY keyboard.  You have to expand your powers selection within each power set.  You're basically talking about a whole different game. 

So you have to have 2 communities large enough to cover 2 design teams OR you clone the same game on 2 different systems.

Assuming SOE and SCEA are 100% lying about their being legal hurdles to put the same game on one system, you don't want to mix those two communities.  They fight with each other even with the servers segragated.

Originally posted by someforumguy

Legendary account status and I start 2898 in queue and after its counted down Im stuck on loading screen. Before f2p transition I had no problems getting in the game. I think that they completely misjudged the f2p transition. The marketing was crap too, claiming that on 1 nov the game went f2p. But it didnt. They started the f2p transition on 1nov, so the servers were down about the whole day of 1 nov. Now they have a new problem with those damn queues and connection issues for a lot of players. Every time you zone you roll the connection dice.

Smedley tweeted that they did misjudge the number of people interested. 

Concurrent players is up 900%.  Yes there is lag. 

They are working on the lag and the queue priority system.  The priority system is off at the moment which is why you are 2K.  The point of the queue is to keep the chat server from dying when a massive amount of people log in.

I gave up on the weekend.  The lag is so bad, systems are breaking all over the place.  I look forward to hopping in next week.

I donno...they could be bouncing the server.  The server is down now.  This happened when they PS3 servers merged.  It took them a couple days but the queues went away as they ironed out the issues. 

While I couldn't get on the PC server, I was able to get on the PS3 and they have a higher population.  So should be good in a day or so.

You keep your guild.  I'm not sure if you can invite anyone to the guild though.  You have to check the spreadsheet.  They go into detail on this topic in the DCUO video chat.  Check the SOE you tube channel.  It might also be in the FAQ.

It is light on content.  There is more there now with a new raid and new DLC coming this year.  They added Light and now lightning is coming.  They will add a 3rd tanking power I guess around March.  Next set of raids is the Amazon Island...I can't think of the name right now.

Now its free, so you can hop in and just have fun for a bit here and there.  The initial character creator is light but just go around collecting styles and fiddle with the wardrobe.  You can get a lot of variety for your character.  I feel that DCUO is not as varried as Champions but your character can look more imposing than a Champions.  I donno.  I like it.

You don't get DLC free, btw unless you sub.  But everything else is free.

Originally posted by Piasek

Isn't the F2P comming Oct 12th, or it just me?

 

PS: I need buddy key.

 

 

 

They haven't set a date...but one of the CS agents told someone that their 45 day free pass would take them past th F2P launch date.  The last day you could activate the 45 days was september 1st(I think).  So 12th sounds close.  I think it really depends on how much this patch breaks the PS3.

Originally posted by Master10K

Originally posted by gaou

one thing to keep in mind is that all the healers have different styles of healing. smuggler and agent are more of HoT healers. consular and inquisitor are like your tradational priest chealers(atleast from what i have heard).  not much is known about trooper and BH healing but from impressions i have seen them as being preventive healers(healing and defending them).

...

I hope the Smuggler's HoT healing feels similar to playing a Warden healer in Rift, because that's the only healing I enjoy playing, because it actually requires some skill & timing to be played well. Also it will allow my Smuggler to DPS & crap while the HoTs are up.

You mean AOE HOT heals?  I don't even remember anyone mentioning any class with AOE HOT heals.  They may have though.  Rift classes are borrowed from EQ Lineage and their Warden class had AOE HOT heals.  If WOW has it, I'm sure Bioware stuck it in TOR somewhere.(I'm not a WOW player so I donno)

Originally posted by Zeroxin

Originally posted by RainyDayBG

So i checked some videos about the character creator & customisation.. and wow...

it's terrible.. it's just laughable and non existand compared to Champions online's ultra detailed and almsot limitless one..

 

well my hype went to zero about that free to play version of DC...

 

Yes on the onset it is terrible but as you play the game and unlock all the outfits it becomes way more open and quite interesting.

 

The bar is set by the PS3.  The PS3 cannot handle sliders so PC can't have sliders.  There are model limitation because the PS3 can't handle complex models so PC can't have complex models.

This is not saying the PS3 is not powerful but you're not just rendering a few characters at a time.  You have to account for multiple characters on the screen at once.  I saw a 200 person PVP battle on the PS3 once...that would never happen with the cryptic engine even on a PC.

Originally posted by starwarsnut

Another fine example of soe running another franchise into the ground. Its ok smedly says theres more sandbox games otw he can ruin for us all!! I really liked dcuo but after swg i should of known better to deal wish soe again theyve proven time and again what stupid incompetent tools they are, I remember when dcuo launched and smed going its the biggest selling soe title of all time and all this well smed its not doing to good now is it? I wonder if were going to see a pokemon trading card game in dcuo to like swg at the end here.

 

Why do franchises turn to soe? seriously why couldnt dcuo gone with ea or anyone else? Do they not look at the history of a company and thier past mmos? sigh oh well

Its a perception/reality thing.  The internet sees SOE as a failure because the internet does not understand how the gaming industry works.  We take one franchise and compare it to another franshise and since A is larger than B then B must be a failure.  The reality is SOE is above average as a publisher.  They have the largest portfolio of MMO's currently running. They have some of the best server platforms and  tech out there.  They have some of the most varied MMO's and not just wow clones.  They also have the most MMO's being developed.  In addition to MMO's, they have 2 online PS3 games in development.  If the name SOE wasn't attached to the company, we would consider them a good company.

DCUO going F2P does not mean that the game was dying.  The PS3 servers are packed with multiple instances of the core cities.  The PC servers are okay...on a busy evening you can get a group in less than 5 minutes for an instance.  So I take this news as nothing but the flow of the industry today.  And this is the right model for DCUO in its current state.

I saw a great tweet yesterday...

"The Old Republic is the Drizzt of Star Wars"

I didn't have time to read the whole thread...but a question...

Isn't the lore of this time that there are a lot of Jedi and SIth but they are not very skilled cmpared to the Force users in the movies?  Even the Masters are not strong in the force.  I assumed this is why a Trooper vs Jedi is an even battle. 

Originally posted by Krandalarian

People tend  to overlook the fact that Sigil made the game, SOE bought them out then rushed the launch to make back the money they spent.  THat bad launch turned so many people away from the game that it has had a hard time bouncing back.  After that SOE ignored the game because they turned a profit.  Now that they lost SWG they are investing in Vanguard to bring in the income they will lose from the loss of SWG.  If you havent played Vanguard since launch give it a try now, you may be suprised.  TO the OP, it is not a very linear world.  Try getting out and exploring and you will discover how unlinear the world is.  There are three continents and every character has an adventuring class, crafting class, and diplomacy to level in. 

The game was still under Sigil when it launched.  No one bought the game(See my earlier post).  SIgil owed lots of money and couldn't hold the IP with their weak sales.  SOE paid off the debt and fixed many of the bugs.  They put a lot of work into a game that never sold.  If you played VG at launch and today and still say the game hasn't changed, then you are just trolling.

Originally posted by maji

If I'd be you I'd just pay a subscription fee.

Or buy an X-box

Originally posted by page

The very last thing Vanguard is is linear..........It's less linear than any mmo I know.  Free to do what you like. Hunters league quest line is linear, but thats only if you would like better gear ( from levels 17-to about 26 ).

Vanguard is my best mmo by far. If you would like to see an example of linear then play newer mmo's like Aion or Rift.  You have to do everything in order.  Infact in Aion, it showes a line backward of what you had done in the past.  I'm playing Rift right now, BUT I will be back to Vanguard shortly BECAUSE ITS THE BEST.

Vanguard is having a hard time because :

1 ) a bad launch, sorry it's a fact

2) It's a Duo or more game and people don't know how to make friends using the social Panel.  Or maybe choose not to.

3) SOE will not advertise properly, ( they only give free time to old players ).

4) People start and quit often because of #2.  If SOE created an option for NON-EXISTING customers to try the game, and everyone played at the same month ( filling the world ) then it would make a come back.....But SOE is stupid, and should not own Vanguard, the game is too good for them.

3)  When SOE advertised that game like crazy, no one bought it.

4)  A.  That game was free for like 3 months and no one played.

     B.  SOE gave the game client to any subscriber of  any SOE game and no one played.

     C.  SOE let any SOE game subscriber play for free for 6 months and no one played.

For whatever reason, no one enjoys playing that game.  I tried it 5 different times.  Never lasted beyond an hour.  It reminded me so much of EQ that I kept going back to that after playing VG.