Originally posted by stamps79

If they need to push it to early next year, let them do it I say.  I want a sold launch, I want them to be pleased with the beta testing and let them roll out as many closed beta's as they need,  until they feel confident with the results.

MMO's can't be rushed, there are so many could be great MMO's that didn't do well at launch and have struggled to fine there ground.  Bioware do what you need to do and I wish you the best at launch. Bioware is doing something completely different from there normal comfort zone.

If 2012 has to happen, let it happen.  I can wait.

LOL no need for me to post...Ditto

All I gotta say is

Mordheim

Originally posted by coxyroxy

I just wish they would do a full character (atleast player characters) model overhaul.

The enviroments look so nice but the models, yuk!

 

dont agree there that bad,but do agree they need an over haul...if CoH can do a full enviro overhaul..lotro could plausably do an avatar overhaul too.

Originally posted by Mordred1

Originally posted by NightBandit

I'm fed up of looking at cartoon looking characters in games so I'll not even bother opening any more post about this game. These developers need to start using the full potential of our PC's and stop pissing about with shit looking characters lets see some more depth and looks in the pixels and take advantage of my over priced twin graphic cards.

As for making a world there are plenty of games out there of which to take the best bits from and then create a massive sandbox and story driven game world which if done correctly could have a massive implication of the way MMO's are developed in the future.

The problem we have in this industry is that every developer stays in the safe and sound lane and do not step out side the norm! It's all been done before and while I understand that the investment has to yield a return for the company, however until someone stretches the MMO envelope these games will all be the same to some degree and the shelf life will be like many others give or take a few years. The word I'm looking for is BORING!

 

Ssshhh man, don't you know it's forbidden to complain about graphics on a mmo? People will call you a graphicswhore and say that gameplay is the only thing that matters. And that they would play a good game even if it had the crapiest of graphics but in truth, they won't.

Unfortunatley these art styles are more popular than you think these days...look at ALL the games coming out now. Borderlands (cell shading), Torchlight 1&2, and plenty of other games you could think of . I can hear what your saying though too,when my buddy first showed me Borderlands I was not intrested at all because of the art style,but I watched a few videos...lol and he decided to get it for me as a X-mas present...and now I love the game and the art style...wierd huh?

All in all It would be nice to see an MMO thats more on the realizm side graphic/character wise...AoC.....

Originally posted by terrant

Originally posted by muthax

Originally posted by terrant

Eldar? Games Workshop is gonna sue.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldar

 

Don't mean squat if someone bought a copyright on the name. But I can't see any legal documentation from GW saying they did, I just went and looked. Not even in Codex: Eldar.

 

Still, wouldn't hurt to change the name up a little.

 

I would be less worried about that and more worried about the first quote of the 2nd paragraph.

"By listening to the players and by remembering to make the game they want to play". See I agree about listening to the community ,but to a certain extent. you cant cater to EVERY player that mite play your game...thats why games usually have options and other means to maybe make a game more appealing to different types of gamers.

Originally posted by IAmMMO

 

If it fails (which I doubt being aimed at Clone wars cartoon kids) then it shows to the developers it time try innovate with creating a new game. The flawed thinking that all UI's and game play should flow with something that's well known or all gamers that come to it from other popular games won't adapt to learning a new Ui and way to go about things in a fresh new manner. Pc gamers have always been able to jump from very different game designs and get immersed whilst learning how it ticks and it's part of the immersion of getting into a new game where the delivery is a new angel and idea off the raw backbone of a genre . The more of the same with a different theme and skin slapped has to stop in the MMORPG genre. TOR for example is still  a turn based combat game like all other theme park MMO's diisguised very well.

Same can be said for the shooter genre or even the single player RPG's Its the style its packaged in, not the mechanics..for the most part.

Halo vs Gears of war vs Call of Duty vs Battle Field...All use guns, cross hairs grenades and similar mechnics with different vatiations and twists to make them Unique, with in there genre. Same can be said for single player RPG's they all include Leveling, Gear, characers, a story etc. etc.

Originally posted by yaminsux

Originally posted by bakabröd

dont care if it "fails" i bought it and im soo sick of fantasy themed mmo´s now. its a winner in my book.

News flash. Star Wars is a FANTASY Sci-fi. So yeah you're still playing fantasy themed MMO.

And before anyone said anything, the so-called "force" have so scientific explanation to back it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fantasy

And I think Bakabrod is more specificly talking about  sword&bow fantasy VS Blasters/laser guns & High tech swords. Also the atmosphere, Tech Vs medival stuff enviroment wise. All in all I think we all need to get back to what video games were created for and should be,,, F U N, and less bitching, let the developers/studios make a good game.  As a side note this is NOT directed at you yaminsux but a general statement. :^) . We all got prefrenance when it come to the games we,you, or I like.

Originally posted by zencommando

It's not on D2D either. Just a game guide.

ok...guess ill have to bite the bullet and buy it from amazon >.0

Ya i got Kotor 1 on steam...i looked on D2d but did not see ill go look again thank you all for the replys :)

EDIT: they got the xbox strategy guide for 10 bucks, if anyones got a handy link id sure be greatful

:)

Ive been trying to find a spot to Download Kotor II, but all my searches come up empty. So if anyone knows a spot to DL it or any info to this regard would be greatly appreciated.

Originally posted by naraku209

I think they are pushing to have each class worth more. healers and tanks will probably both do decent amounts of damage. it sucks having to deal with 30 million DPS and no tanks or healers

Very good point :). Not to mention I do notice a lot of the time people doing the "have 4/6, need " all the time in most popular mmos out  now. I think having a smaller group size will allow people to  get instances/group content done with less wait (as a lot of people dont have a lot of time to sit and wait fer 30min/hour to get groups together too). I just hope they dont add dungeon/instace finders to the game.

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

I preordered the CE edition as soon as it came out.  I'm expecting this game to be great.  The only thing I've seen so far that I don't like is how you can chop on enemies and they don't see to react.  Maybe the jedi need to change the batteries in their lightsabers.  *shrug*   I'll be playing a trooper anyway, so it's all good :p

:^) only so much realizim can go into a game when it comes to things like that. Would be cool though to have finishing type moves that do slice threw things :)

Originally posted by Azureblaze

Strange may be on to something with his November 25th release date. I'm Thinking very late October, Early November, or more likely late November :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AOZQ_AICbc

Listen to what the Razor rep says at 4:30. Now granted its a Razor rep and not a bioware rep, but it gives you a good idea  :)

 Cross faction chat should be permitted and an option in ALL PvEish MMOs. I can see the reason for not having it in a mainly PvP game. It would be nice to add that extra element of RP in the mmoRPg.

Originally posted by Hellfyre420

I still don't understand how a LFG tool is gonna change anything for anyone.. If you don't like it then fine, just spam the general chat.. It's a SINGLE SHARD looking for group tool.. So if you get some random a hole rolling on everything you can inform his Guild and blackmark him for the rest of the server.. There's no difference between the LFD tool saves you a bunch of time, but if you don't want that convenince then don't use it.. Dosn't mean people who do should be punished..

 

I for one was against a cross server LFD tool but now i'am willing to comrpromise if it means quicker que times.. In the earlie mornings a lot of my guild isn't on so it'd be nice to have another pool of people to que up with besides those on my shard.

 This is what I belive DAS1337 ment by a feeling of CoD black ops  or other online lobby games. The One Man entering an instance and the rest of the party getting a summons is pretty much similar to other abilites other classes get in other games,except most of the time it requires more than one person to do. Queing up and waiting for a ramdom party to be thrown together to do said dungeon eliviates the risk of any harm. So in one sense adding these types of mechanics into an mmo just makes it one big Diablo/Dungeon crawler imo. Sure it may be convenient but thats what honestly ruining the genre. Conveenince is nice, but to much is like being spoon feed  ( no dis to you or anyone who likes these mechanics just my opinion)

Originally posted by DAS1337

First thing I noticed after loading up my character selection screen, shiny armor.

 

Cool.

 

Second, I was also put off by the dungeon finder.  I'm not looking for some ignorant A-hole to come along and be sarcastic about me not liking convenience either.  It is convenient, I have no issues with that.  The problem is, convenience can go too far for a lot of people.  It's one thing to create a tool to find a group, great in my opinion.  It's another thing entirely to create a tool that not only does that, it teleports your entire group into the instance.  Thus, basically eliminating any chance for dynamic content on the way to said dungeon.  It directly destroys the world in which Trion worked so tirelessly to build for us.  Now we just teleport everywhere.  It was the same in WAR.  One of the major things I didin't like in WoW.  I like travelling, I like the unknown.  I guess I'm more of an old school player, but I require more to my games than repeatable instanced content.  There needs to be reason for actions, reactions, discovery..even after you've been there 100 times before.  These games are slowly going away from traditional creativity that you found in games like Ultima Online, Dark Age of Camelot, and Everquest.  From social gaming that depended on player content, rather than relying on the developer for everything.  They are turning into little more than Call of Duty, but in a fantasy setting.  If you can't understand where I'm coming from with that, you should probably just quit life.  I may not agree with everyone all the time, but I can usually take a step back and 'get' what they are saying..even if I think it's crazy.

 So true. What happened to gamers (some not all) actually wanting a challenging game,and not one that just hands stuff to you or just makes it waaaaay to easy to get.

I remember in vanilla WoW how much it actually MENT to get an epic or to win a roll when in a raid for a drop. It felt more...well EPIC. now its like "Oh cool ANOTHER epic". but thats just an example and now trend it seems. Just because I play casually with a side of hardcore{grins}, does not mean I want things to be more easy so I can stay ahead of the curve.

Originally posted by Calibanvov

That expensive equipment they made; (Star Wars Keyboard, mouse, headphones etc.)  is set to release in early November.

 

 correct and heres an E3 Video to confirm that a November release date is VERY plosible.

http://www.gamezenith.com/?p=1483

Originally posted by mkthesw

I'm looking forward to only 4 man parties. I've been raid leading in WoW for years and the thought of having a more personal experience is a HUGE attraction to me. In WoW all there really is to do is raid and thats probably 30-35 people over a couple months that you are playing with. It's impersonal and distant. Having 4 players (or 1 other player and 2 companions) is something I am really looking forward to.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm also looking forward to 24man raids but questing and levelling is a whole other part of the game that is actually part of the game instead of a pre-requisite to the game.

 Pretty much sums it up for me too. Having smaller Group/party size will make it easyer to do missions,instances/flashpoints,and all the other stuff in-between.

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by huskerman34

I played rift and wow and by no way are the same.  Rift had a good intro and was very accessable. Wow at the time i played was slow and kinda lame. The toons were quirky looking . It didnt appeal to me due to the fact that i was used to playing FFxi . I was used to 6 man parties.  I thought they put this rest.  Im sorry the mmorpg world doesnt revolve around Wow. Im tired of every game thats out there being labled a wow clone.  Any upcoming game will replace wow, as people will want to try someting new. 

 

Rift is a WoW clone.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.  There is just too many similarities, and it has NOTHING to do with the fact they are both MMORPGS. How much in common do Rift and FFXI have in common, for instance?

 

Some people like the 'realistic' look, or more importantly, hate a stylish look.  So they wont like WoW.  But Rifts races are the worst of a AAA MMO.  Its two humany things, 2 Elvish things, a dwarf, and a big thing not too far removed from a human.  The races are beyond bland and are preseented very blandly in the game as well.  WoWs races have a very unique flair to them and all have very detailed mannerisms and motivations.

 

And not every game that comes out is labeled a WoW clone.  Xysom was not labeled a WoW clone.  DCUO was not labeled a WoW clone, or a super hero version of WoW.  Age of COnan was not labeled a WoW clone.  FFXIV?  Nope, not considered a WoW clone.

 Actually a LOT of people have labled FF14 as a wow clone. The Only reason  people did not refer to AoC as  a wow clone,was because of the combat system. other than that it was again considered a wow'ish game. But really WoW it self is a clone. 

I agree about the Rift races,they should have had a little more deversity.

But honestly if you want to label every or every other mmo out or coming out a wow clone. The same could be said for First Person Shooters. Gears of War is a Halo clone,Left 4 dead is  a Halo clone,Bio Shock is a Halo clone..get my drift :)

Originally posted by deadmanbell

I always kind of thought that whatever side in an MMORPG that was good was where I found more of the kids and jerks. The Dark sides always seem to be a little more mature and little more organized in PVP even if it is a smaller group? Curious as to what other people think.

I think about the difference between Midgaurd and Albion in DOC, or Clan and Omni in AO. I just kind of ran into the same thing on RIft and find myself on the difiant side after I got feed up with the attitude of the Gaurdian side on my server.

I so want to be good....

Try the Estrael server lot of good peeps on the Gaurdian side there.