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Ok, im not posting a rant about how crap eve is because it isnt [yourmmohere].

Im posting a serious question, so i expect discussion to be slim ;)


Our corp has links to 0.0 , access to markets and such for capital level construction, and currently has POS's in low-sec, whilst being headquartered in Hi-Sec, we also run various W-Space operations , and turn over a nice profit.


Is it worth the upset and schism to move to 0.0, under quite onoerous terms of alliance, for huge risks and not much more reward? 

Its mainly one or two very vocal members that bring this up constantly, the silent majority staying silent.


Is this EVE's version of end-game epiclust? You know, where 1 or 2 from a casual guild decide that they want to be Hardcore Raid Pwners and drag the guild kicking and screaming to its destruction? 

Are there major risks in 0.0 other than gankage and war?  For example the logistics of selling manufactured goods?



[edited for clarity]

was that many of the more advanced items/ships were listed that you couldnt be on the trial to use them. which for me is a pet pieve, if you want someone to trial your game, why limit it?

Because a trial account hanging around near a gate means people are scouting using disposable trail accounts.

Limiting the gear limits the extra pewpew that this alt would provide.

Because a trial account trained for hauling means people are solo or small group mining.

Limiting the ships mean they have to pony up some ISK or RL Money to have the advantage of a hauler

Etc etc etc....

Mostly though, EVE players are smarter than everyone else ever, and have worked out every possible exploit.

Secondly just because the game is in-depth and has many neuances, in no way means that i should expect to have to ask other players how to play. It at the end of the day is a game and games are meant to be fun, fun is not sitting in some space station reading a 16 page dossier on how to play the game.

Point 1:  perhaps eve's devs trying to get you to socialise? as without social interaction , EVE is literally nothing.

Point 2:  I find it fun sitting in a spacestation doing spreadsheets and whatnot.  Does that mean my fun<your fun?


Your opinion is not fact.  Neither is mine.  These are:

EVE is a primarily social game, and has been built as such.

You compare anything to the first similar thing you encountered.

Most posts on this thread have not insulted people becuase they are conditioned to other games, but have tried to point out gaps in logic. (I play x game, y game is not the same or is unfamiliar therefore Y<X)


Originally posted by Zyphriss

I tried RoM when it was in beta, and I noticed a load a lag that made the game unenjoyable.  I give it another shot, because I've been reading the Roleplaying forums on the site and it's getting my blood boiling for some RPing!

Thanks a lot!  I will post the verdict after a reasonable amount of play-testing.


The lags gone :)

Game is actually pretty good, something do whilst being station camped.

PvP Discussion « Developers Corner
4/18/09 11:00:55 AM

This entire thread is a tautology.


Tell you what, im now redefining FREE to include only paying once, or paying a subscription.  At the exact moment im paying its not free, after that it is FREE.  This definition is now the official one because i say so.  I dont care what ,y'know, the actual definition is.

While im at it, Up is now DOWN! Since Up can only exist in relation to down, i decided to make life simple by rolling all words that describe directionality into a single word, i chose UP because it looks good in capitals.

OP: how about this, you define PVP as any interaction in an online game that involves another player?

So MSN Hearts must be pretty hardcore yeah?

Or Facebook Scrabble must be 1337pwnz?

Or how about you pull your head out your arse and stop psuedo-intellectualising commonly used terms to somehow assuage your own feelings on games? 

By your logic, blue=red because they are both colours.

In the common usage, PVP refers to consensual player verus player combat or interaction that produces a victor and a loser, within the confines of a game-constrained set of mechanics.

I hope you realise that intellectual standards dont exist to play around with semantics all day.   You define your terms way early on, then refine your argument from there.  Arguing over semantics and meaning is useless, as the commonly accepted meaning is the one that counts (i refer to the original meaning of  "hacker" and its current meaning). With this in mind you can see that this thread is tautological.


(see what i did there).




The reward would be to make your enemy do the same thing.  You wouldn't think people would risk their real lives in wars and duels, but they do. 


Its safe to say in general people risk their lives in war under very specific circumstances, I.E. the boss told them to (as a soldier) or because the other guys boss told the other guy to.

I doubt many people go to war out of choice, but rather when there are no other choices left.


Permadeath in a game cant work, any reward worth dying for would imbalance the game too much.  People wouldnt do it for honour, realistically speaking theres no such thing anymore in MMO's.


To extend your analogy , the only way pvp-permadeath will be accepted is if it was forced, but unlike RL...people can walk away when they want, meaning you'd end up with one very lonely and very powerful character per server.

Originally posted by Schufti

Dear weird college student,

No game is strictly "Role-Playing" every one plays with his own leisure if you wish to role-play maybe join Gta San andreas online or maybe a Role-playing wow server easy as that just understand a strict role playing game is a 1-Player game and a free community is a Multi-player Game hope i put a stop to your search and oh asda story aint half bad ;) try it

Sorry, your wrong.

There may be a set that contains single player games that include traditional role-play elements, but the OP is referring to finding a game in which he "becomes" his avatar,and, by my reading feels immersed in that other place.  

RPG=Roleplaying game.   Doesnt need to be electronic, and doesnt refer to baldurs gate clones exclusively.  

What is generally meant by RP is illustrated below:

NON-RP version:

Player A: lets go gank some noob in a frigate

Player B: awesome, i just used EFT to max my dps

RP Version:

Player A:Fancy some easy killing?

Player B:Roger that, just fitted new toys to this bird and she needs a shakedown.

So you see, in the non-rp version you may be playing at being a pirate, in the RP version you suspend your own disbelief and actually mentally "become" that pirate.

So a "Strict" roleplaying game would be one that enforces keeping kayfabe, or keeping in character, an obvious impossibility in a single player game, and a reality only very rarley achieved in modern MMO's.  A whole two generations of gamers who never cracked the spine on a good sourcebook means RP is getting pretty bloody rare, and pretty bloody diluted.


Wont be long before "RP" goes the way of "hacker", and the polar opposite meaning becomes the popular usage.

(although to be fair, that kind of change can be good too...reference "gay", most kids think "gay" = "lame" and not "gay"="homosexual")

  MMOs were never really meant for the nerds and geeks with no life. 


Erm...yes they were...UO, EQ?  Online versions of pen and paper rpg's without a license(i.e rights to D&D) , a gaming genre defined by geekiness, nerdiness and often percieved by the masses as "no lifers".

Sure, MMO's now have matured beyond that, most players dont even know what RP is, let alone how to do it.

Also, given a large enough sample size, any statistic can be derived, "hardcore" as defined earlier doesnt apply to this circumstance surely? 

If kid A wants to believe he's "hardcore", let him. 

Find people who dont have an epeen to waggle in your face.  I remember the metal scene was the same once, the "hardcore" fans deriding the tourists becuase they werent metal enough. 

Punks do it too, as do academics, scholars, binmen, and all bloody mammals.  An instinctive urge to belong to a defined clique just after our balls drop.  And when you are in the "in crowd" everyone else becomes a target of hate or irrelevance because your clique is *the* clique.

Are MMO's meant for the hardcore? no more so than any other activity teens engage in.

Are MMO's meant for you?  Hell Yes! For every 10 "1337pwnmobiles" , theres another 10 sitting quietly thinking " are there others out there like me? "

I guess people would rather cry "wahhhhh i want my control system that I am used to like WoW, WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!"

Are any of you people capable of  learning or is it all bitch, moan and cry ? I guess it's just easier to be a 2 week n00b who trialed Eve and be an expert on the game and those that have been around since beta KNOW NOTHING.

 Well Bloody Said Sir!


Welcome to the world of ends, where each end is an ass.

Seriously though, if you do want to go "neeeeeworrr-fwooosh-dakkadakkadakka" dont bloody complain about eves abstracted control system, but go play a game that has that in it.  Did you ever see Adama at the helm of Battlestar Galactica? hell no, he was in CIC *telling* the helmsman where to point the ship.

Adama =EVE pod pilot (in a way), Starbuck=*insert space/flight game here*.

Some want to play Adama, others Starbuck.    

Its like me complaining that my flying mount in WoW( Time Lost Proto Drake btw) doesnt have Warp To, Orbit or Align options. 

This is not an eve-fanboi rant. 

This is the rant of someone who genuinely despairs for the average IQ of humanity. 


/emote dies of laughter. buddy was playing WoW and going on about all these 25 man raids and epic loot.   I downloaded the trial and it was shit.  I mean, whats the point, i was in some crappy Abbey somewhere killing "defias", took like totally no effort at all, totally lame dude, i mean like, my buddy totally raves about this game man!  And im like "WTF! this blows", totally fricking boring man, stabbing defias over and over. 

And this other time, my buddy was totally like "you so have to read "the old man and the sea"".  So i went to Borders, i picked it up, but the cover was totally lame man.   Like a book about fishing or shit? Whatever! So yeah, literature sucks.

And this other other time, my bro's on X-Box were like come play "Halo", so i like totally checked it out man, i went out and got some action figures and totally played in my room with em, but like my buddies were raving about it so i like totally couldnt get what was so special.  First Person Shooters?  First Person Lamers more like lulz.

Then i heard about the "internet" and like, i could totally make friends there, so i hooked my phone into my ass and imploded WITH MY OWN FUCKING STUPIDITY.

Obvious Troll is Obvious.

Anyway, your not too old, i would say your too bally young.

Stop worrying NOW. 

Your in your twenties...go have fun with bodyparts and abuse drugs, when you hit 30 and have a real job, then you can play mehmorpigahs, and you wont be a badly socialised ass-hat with no perspective, but will be able to just log on and have fun.

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