Originally posted by dubyahite

Originally posted by Zlayer77

I still say SW:Tor is a safe haven for carebears... And its still frustrating we cant get to them...

Fact Bioware protects carebears in SWTOR from greifing, you cant delevlel them or kill them and Loot all of their gear.. leaving them naked on the ground,

Fact Bioware protects carebears from Scaming. You cant trick and fool people into sending you ingame money, and promise to send dubble the amount back.. but just keeping the money yourself...

Fact Biowar protects carebaers from perma death. You cant kill off peopes Charecters and force them to start over...

Fact Bioware protects carebears from Ninja looting. You get drops randomly how lame is that

Fact Bioware makes use of BOP and BOE. To protect against making any decent IRL cash selling stuff to lazy carebears outside the game..

Fact Bioware is protecting carebears from rage quitting in tears and unsubbing to the game Because of prevoiusly stated facts, how lame is that

All in all Bioware are the carebears champion and they have made a safe haven for them to hang out in.. and we cant get our dirty paws on them..

 

Wow. Just wow.

I guess if you are looking forthat type of game, there are plenty out there.

Your issue is that you can't make someones life miserable who doesn't want to play that type of game? Seriously?

Here is what you need to realize. The "carebear" as you call them, is not interested in permadeath, or griefing, or scams.

They aren't going to play that type of game. They were already out of your reach. They aren't going to play Darkfall or some perma death game.

They don't want to be scammed and griefed and de-leveled.

Even if the only mmo was a perma death free for all full loot PvP game, they still wouldn't be there. The vast majority of them wouldn't play MMOs at all.

Ever wonder why a game like that has a small fraction of the population of SWTOR or WoW? Because mos people don't enjoy being crapped on by jerks all the time. It's not fun.

Your complaint that you can't ruin their gameplay experience is silly, because those people don't enjoy that gameplay experience.

There are people that enjoy a game like that. They are out there playing those games. You guys can go poop all over each other all day long.

This game isn't a safe haven from abusive griefers, it is simply that the majority of players don't enjoy the whole hardcore griefing style of game.

You are in the minority in this regard, but that doesn't change the fact that that style of game is available for you to play. Don't hate on the majority of people who want nothing to do with your style of game.

I think his responses have been quite revealing. The majority aren't flocking to the type of games he likes so he hangs around forums bemoaning the fact that no one wants to play his games. The MMO world is no longer controlled by gaming elites like him and this really burns his bacon. It's been quite entertaining to say the least.

Originally posted by Zlayer77

 

 

 

 

 

Im the one who would make you cry and Unnistall SWTOR.. if the game let me Take your stuff and delevel you to 0.. Sadly its gamemechanis dont let me :( .. I would have bougt and installed the game long ago if it let me Mess with other playes and ruin their FUN time in the game... Now I can only  point out how medicore the game is..

You dont undestand how frustrating it is to know all you litte carebares are safe and sound In SWTOR.. and there is no way for me to get to you or make you send me hate mail, crying I destroyed your play time ingame...

No game company will waste their time and resources to make the type of game you want. Sorry, but no investor is that stupid.  

Originally posted by Ravenspen
According to you post history I'm supprised you ever subbed. You were disapointed way back in november.

Okay, so these are crockadile tears being shed. Kind of hard to take a poster's anger and sadness seriously when he hated the game before it came out.

What is it with some people around here? What is the point of generating faux outrage on a third party site? Do they really think other opinions will be swayed by manufacturing dissent? I'm just curious.

Originally posted by nomss

I think out of 20+ people I find a person who would duel. It literally takes maybe a minute, actually less. But I never seem to find anyone want to duel even though we're same level.

I don't duel people I don't know. If I'm in a guild and I know that person well then yes, because I can trust that person not to kill me, send me to the cloner(or whatever) and then post non stop "I pwned joo." Dueling IS good for testing out builds, but I find the majority of the people who want to duel, aren't doing it for that reason. One of the first things I do in these games is to automatically refuse duel requests. If I want to PVP, I know where to go for it. When I'm not PVPing, I'm doing something else and I hate having to stop what I'm doing just to respond to a duel request.

Originally posted by arieste

First of all - if you're like me and you've always thought that wasting most of the game's budget on voice was a terrible idea, then you need not reply, i already know your opinion :) 

As if that will stop them from posting it anyway.

 

What I'm curious about is the updated opinions of the folks that - prior to the game's launch - thought it was going to be a game-changer and the greatest thing since leia's slave outfit.  

 I didn't think it would be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it was definetly a game changer for me. It certainle sounded more interesting than getting a bunch of guys together to slaughter bols and pickets, which is what you did in that "other" Star Wars MMO that failed.

I'm seeing more and more people - people who're avid fans of the game - admit that really, having every single dialogue voiced gets to be a bit of a drag (at best) or downright annoying (at worst).

 To each his own. I like it.

So, to you that were excited the voicing, are you still excited about it?  Are you looking forward to LISTENING to 200 more "kill 10 rats" quests with generic dialogue that is fully voiced?   Or would you rather see the dialogue scaled back to the more important & interesting areas of the game, parts that actually have interesting story and characters whose names you might actually remember?  

 The main quests are not the typical "kill 10 rats" rubbish that you see in WOW and most mmos. The only time that garbage comes up is in the "bonus quests" pop ups that happen when you start killing things. That's a nice reminder that once upon a time, that was ALL questing was about. Go to a NPC click on it, and read walls of text. The level grind was so boring and monotonous. Now many MMOers think that this process doesn't matter and it's all about the end game. I on the other hand refuse to pay a monthly sub for a boring  leveling grind. After playing this game and experiencing NPCs with voice and emotions along with a choice of how my character can interact with them, no other MMO will ever see my money again unless it has this feature in it. You can keep your day/night cycles. housing and swimming.

 

 

 

 

Please leave polling to the professionals. The entire premise of your question is flawed and slanted to lead to the same answer.

Originally posted by Bladestrom

 

 

If you want a benchmark of where a 1/4 of a billion pound game should be then look at the forthcomming GW2 this year, the devs get it there, no linear questing, dozens of new ideas, a reboot and focus on the social and rolepalying aspects, and no ancient tier based end game raiding dull cycle.  Nothing to do with the genre, it is how poor development houses have tried to copy old games because they made lots of money rather than looking forward at how the genre could be moved forward.   

 So they say. We'll see when the game gets here. I'm not interested in the least of playing GW2, but since you guys love to prop this game up on the TOR forums on a continuing basis I'll be looking forward to watching it fall hard on its face. 

 

Originally posted by Hauken

As a player of SWTOR ive stated before that i feel this game is mediocre at best. And i can only see the game will entertain me for a few months. My highest lvl char is 37 a jedi counceler. And i found that the gameplay and story wasnt all that great. So i created a trooper and lost a bit of intrest at lvl 11!!!. I then made a jedi knight and went a bit on the dark side with him and found him a bit more entertaining than the two first. So dark side eh? I then went and created a BH my favourite profession from SWG. The story and abilities so far is much better than the others so far(But i hear that the BH story is bugged?) And im locked to the empire and no player bounties!!! I guess smugglers suffers from same.....

To be honest all in all the story telling just dont seem all that good to me. In conversations i choose one answer and get a response from my char that doesnt really seem to fit? Story seems shallow and not that interesting. Really the story telling in LOTRO, both main quests(books) and side quests entertains me a lot more, and that without VO.

So my question is. can future content be created so that players will have more power on how the War in Star Wars will evolve? Will new planets be wide open spaces that can be fought over? Space battles between players starfighters and/or capital ships?

With 100-200 mill invested in this there just got to be more....

 The PVP does need a lot of work. Huttball gets boring after the third or fourth time in a row. I just want a place that I can always go to to mix it up with the other side when I feel like it. Screw the sports. I want to fight in a war.

Originally posted by udon

 

The game has many times more replayability than any other MMO I have played on release day.  If you don't want to do the quests over again than don't.  Do instances, group quests, space combat or PVP and you will level quickly doing any of those.  And if all that isn't enough go play the other faction and get a 100% new set of quests.

Honestly what more would it have taken to keep you from complaining?  Because I have a hard time seeing any game company releasing a new MMO with more content than what SW:TOR has today.  It's hands above what EQ2, WoW, LOTR, etc. had at launch.

I feel the same way. If I don't feel like doing the storyline then there is always the side quests. If I don't feel like going solo then I do heroics and flashpoints with others.If I don't feel like doing that then I PVP. If I don't feel like doing that then I do some space. If I don't feel like doing that then I explore for datacrons and resources. Plus there is my alts. I've had no trouble finding something to do in this game.

Originally posted by sanosukex

Originally posted by ktanner3

 

I love Star Wars too, but that doesn't mean I'm going to like every game that comes out with the Star Wars label on it. I never liked SWG, even though some here think it was the greatest thing ever. I thought it was the most boring filled piece of crap ever. I've never been more dissapointed with a game.But when I stopped playing, I stopped playing. I didn't go on the SWG boards on a daily basis telling everyone what a bad game it was and how there is something wrong with people that like it.Others on the other hand seemed to spend their whole time in game and on the official forums trashing it. In fact, I didn't even know that game HAD fans until I came to this site. Obviously it had fans, but I would have never known that if I went by the official boards and globe chat.My attitude with a bad game is that I say my piece and move on. After all it's just a game.

And really, if you feel this miserable over one star wars game then don't bother with any others because Star Wars games tend to be crappy.

 

difference is I HAVE liked every star wars game I have played that I can remember.. even back to the old snes ones. I even like force unleashed 2 which many people hated. Also you are putting a straight label on me saying I sit here and bash the game left and write which I don't I give my opinion which just happens to be negative its still just an opinion. I don't start threads to start fights. I'm just debating my stance on the game you don't have to understand why but that's how it is.. I also like to debate on topics I have long history's with( like MMOs) so there's another reason I'm here.

For me there's nothing to debate. This isn't some ideological real world argument like in politics where you can debate the finer points of abortion. You either like the game or you don't. There might be reasons why you do or don't, but they really aren't worthy of anything much beyond that because in the end, we're just talking about a game here. Not cures for cancer.

Originally posted by sanosukex

 

let me give you an example of why i feel somewhat cheated by this game. Some things about me

1. I love MMO's of all kinds especially themeparks

2. I love love love Star Wars and have since I was a little boy

3. I love biowares games such as KOTOR, Mass Effect, Dragon age

 

now how in the hell could this game be such a dissapointment to me if it was so great. I should be a #1 fan praising this game and all it stands for seeing what I like above. This game is the single most dissapointing game I have ever been looking forward to in my long gaming history and to me that says a lot.. but whatever if people think this game is the greatest thing ever then more power to them.

I love Star Wars too, but that doesn't mean I'm going to like every game that comes out with the Star Wars label on it. I never liked SWG, even though some here think it was the greatest thing ever. I thought it was the most boring filled piece of crap ever. I've never been more dissapointed with a game.But when I stopped playing, I stopped playing. I didn't go on the SWG boards on a daily basis telling everyone what a bad game it was and how there is something wrong with people that like it.Others on the other hand seemed to spend their whole time in game and on the official forums trashing it. In fact, I didn't even know that game HAD fans until I came to this site. Obviously it had fans, but I would have never known that if I went by the official boards and globe chat.My attitude with a bad game is that I say my piece and move on. After all it's just a game.

And really, if you feel this miserable over one star wars game then don't bother with any others because Star Wars games tend to be crappy.

Originally posted by smitty0356

Any mmo with a very popular IP always sells boxes to people who will not like the mechanics or interpretation of that IP.  When this happens, the first few months usually shows a decline in total subscriptions.

 

In the past, companies have knee-jerked to this trend, and made drastic changes to try to appeal to the initial masses of players, and this has proven disasterous to the long-term success of the MMO.

 

A prime example of this is MXO, where they had to buff and cater to the huge "neo-clone" population, which alienated everyone that was not a "neo."

 

Problem is, the type of player that is quitting after a month, generally can't be retained long term due to conflicts with mmo mechanics, or key problems with the IP.

 

I hope bioware does not try to cater to the "darth paul's" in an attempt to save thousands of subscribers that will likely quit anyway.

I don't think Bioware will be as stupid as someone like SOE, who never stuck to their original vision for SWG and kept changing the game to please one class of player. Based on what we know about future content, it seems Bioware knows who their target audience is for this game and are releasing content that benefits everyone.

Originally posted by illorion

 

 These games are looked upon differenty because they where not produced by the largest gaming company on the planet. So therefor they are given more leeway. Also those games where not marketed as heavily as SWTOR and none of those game have a game with the same IP that came before it (Except EQ2) to be compared to. Unfortunatly for SWTOR the game that came before was a "do whatever the hell you want" sandbox. People where expecting that same level of freedom and didn't get it. 

Then those people were morons because bioware made it known to the whole universe that this wasn't going to be SWG2. With all the videos that was released along with the many statements made by the devs, there is no reason for anyone that was a fan of SWG to expect TOR to be anything more than a story driven themepark game. Hell, a quick looksy around the SWG forums the last few months would have shown whines about SWG closing for that "WOW Clone." So whomever these people are that you are describing must hae been living under a rock.

They got a game that is very similar to Fable 3 in that everyone is playing a single player game in which you pay 15 bucks a month to watch other people run around also playing the same single player game... the only difference is that you can see the player models rather than just balls of light.

If you play it as a single player game then don't whine when you get that experience. This game has tons of options for grouping. In fact, you benefit more from grouping in this game than you do going solo. People that actually play the game know this.

You are correct in saying that many of us are passionatly negative about this game. Once a new MMO hits then the hate will die down as many of us will have something to do then.

Yeah, you'll go on to the next game and vent when that one doesn't reach your high and mighty standards. I believe GW2 is next on the list. But at least this forum will have some peace.

 

Originally posted by Onomas

Originally posted by Distopia

And soloing heroics of equal level by youself? WHich ones? Or are you referring to single heroic NPCS? Just about every class quest ends with one of those, which they can be tough, depending on class, but there's always a way to beat them if you're level appropriate.

 

 

 

Ah i guess i was misleading there, i could stealth through an instance of heroics 2 and once in awhile 4. Stealth in, sneak, put npc's to sleep while stealthed, get to target, unstealth, kill or click on item, stealth, and move on. Not all but some. I was realy wanted to have my butt handed to me. Not all of them were like this, had some to be really a pain in the rear.

Now try and do that without a stealth class.

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by grounnn

Thank you, he only assumes what a real marauder plays like by seeing others. That's laughable, an operative will knockdown and 3 shot most marauders. Same goes for the assassin, and a mara can't even touch a sorc with it's bubbles and heals, or the jugg with it's ungodly defenses.

 

Operatives cant 3 shot anyone since their nerf, Assassins havent been able to do that to anyone since the buff stacking nerf.

Marauders are also the only class to get an incoming heals debuff (-20%) which is far more powerful than any of the other burst classes abilities for taking out healers.

It sounds like you guys came from WoW where you were used to melee classes just facerolling for wins. Marauder is far from underpowered.

 

If you arent good at the class, go play something else. But saying that noone can play it well is just silly.

Well put. I find it funny that he's complaining about juggernaught since there was someone in here recently talking about how weak jugg and knight are. I saw on the official forums recently that a commando was complaining about class balance because he had a screen shot of his most recent warzone that showed he had no kills. This seems to happen with every game. You get people doing PVP who don't know how to play their class who then demand nerfs to make up for the fact that they suck.

Originally posted by Doomedfox

I can find everything i need with little effort and selling stuff is easy enough as well.

I would like a repeat option for when i sell more than one item of the same kind but besiedes that the AH is letting me do everything i need to.

I am not really sure what probs you have but since you made it clear you want mods mods mods i would guess your prob is that you have to do something and not have mods doing all the work for you yes?

I don't see what's so hard about the GTN either. It's pretty easy to work with.

Originally posted by Iselin

The (not-so) secret to soloing in SWTOR is to gear your companion first and yourself 2nd. This is especially so for classes that use a tank companion primarily. You should be getting your main companion's hand-me-downs (if you wear similar stuff) not the other way around.

Um...no. Seeing as how I'm the one that deals out the most damage and gets the majority of the attention from the mobs that wouldn't work for me. I can see that working for players who are primarily healers and don't draw the agro, but not for anyone playing a tank or DPS.  I'm having no trouble leveling in this game so I think I'll continue to do what works.

 

 

• A Neutral faction that you can opt into
• One new class for each side eg: Trooper for Empire and Agent for Republic.
• Additional space stuff for those that care about that sort of thing
• Increase level cap with extensions to all the class story lines
• Expand planets like Tatooine to include more known Star Wars locales like Mos eisley.
• Random missions on the mission terminals for when I don't feel like doing the class storyline.

Originally posted by maimeekrai

Can you hand down old equipment? or is there companion specific equipment?

i hand down equpment quite often in STO, to my Bridge Officers.

 

 

Of course you can. I hand down my bounty hunter stuff to mako all the time. Both of us use pistols and both of us can wear medium armour. So whenever I upgrade my character I just hand down the stuff to mako. This frees me up to accept more comendations. I also hand down stuff we can't use to the other companions. Keeping your companions geared up is part of the game and I notice the people that complain the most about hard leveling fail to do this.