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Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Enhesa
 

Well, ya see, I was making two different points; my opinion on the gaming industry/community at the start,  and at the end, my opinion on the game which I feel is unbiased.

You argue that my unbiased opinion is in fact biased, and to support this you state that an unbiased opinion would consider everyones opinion equally. The problem here is that I don't consider the opinions of others when developing my own personal opinion on a game, which leads me to understand that you didn't really get what I meant in the first place.

The way you describe coming to your conclusions is absolutely the best way to do it (in my opinion). I won't argue there. But that doesn't mean it's unbiased.

Edit: At this point, I think we should just agree to disagree on what "biased" means.

 

My opinion on gamers is definately biased, since I think most gamers are complete ass clowns.

Including myself

Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Enhesa
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Enhesa
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Enhesa
Originally posted by sethman75

Well said OP.

Kids these days don't appreciate what made the core of those experiences, fun and adventure.

Both of which you can't get if you rush to cap in 1 day and say the game sucks.

I will be playing TESO carefully and enjoying it for months, the way it is meant to be played.

Absolutely

I think the main issue is that the majority of people reviewing ESO on forums and in blog posts right now are self proclaimed hardcore MMO players, these people have been ripping the ass out of whatever MMO for the last whatever years.

From this we see burnout. The same thing happened with ex WoW players cursing the game after playing for 6 years or however long. It wasn't the games fault people overplayed and got burned out. When people get bored the games magically get shit.

As a gamer of nearly 30 years, and as one who loves MMO's but hasn't burned myself out in recent times I reckon I'm in a good position to give an unbiased opinion on ESO.

It's a really good game.

"Self proclaimed hardcore MMO players"? What does that mean...exactly? Is that the definition of an experienced gamer who didn't like ESO? Your reference implies an Ad-Hom against the game's critics.

"Burn Out" huh? Exactly what kind of data lead you to this conclusion? What did you see it happen a handful of times and have now reached the conclusion that this must be what is responsible for why someone might not like ESO? What a great way to think about it. This way, you can absolutely claim there is nothing possibly wrong with the game and that it's these player's fault so you can rightfully tell them to GTFO!

As for your "unbiased opinion"?....not really. It's biased. Not saying it's misinformed, just not unbiased.

Explain to me how my opinion is biased.

An unbiased opinion would consider everyone's opinion equally. It would see all sides of the game. It would accept the criticism and the praise and try to seek the happy medium. 

Are you talking about my opinion on the game or my opinion on peoples opinion?

Huh? Look at the posts leading to you saying "Absolutely" The context of the entire sub-thread, is based on agreeing with the OP about the game and then Ad-Hom'ing those who don't. Both points are subjective, mutually supportive, and biased.

Well, ya see, I was making two different points; my opinion on the gaming industry/community at the start,  and at the end, my opinion on the game which I feel is unbiased.

You argue that my unbiased opinion is in fact biased, and to support this you state that an unbiased opinion would consider everyones opinion equally. The problem here is that I don't consider the opinions of others when developing my own personal opinion on a game, which leads me to understand that you didn't really get what I meant in the first place.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Enhesa
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Enhesa
Originally posted by sethman75

Well said OP.

Kids these days don't appreciate what made the core of those experiences, fun and adventure.

Both of which you can't get if you rush to cap in 1 day and say the game sucks.

I will be playing TESO carefully and enjoying it for months, the way it is meant to be played.

Absolutely

I think the main issue is that the majority of people reviewing ESO on forums and in blog posts right now are self proclaimed hardcore MMO players, these people have been ripping the ass out of whatever MMO for the last whatever years.

From this we see burnout. The same thing happened with ex WoW players cursing the game after playing for 6 years or however long. It wasn't the games fault people overplayed and got burned out. When people get bored the games magically get shit.

As a gamer of nearly 30 years, and as one who loves MMO's but hasn't burned myself out in recent times I reckon I'm in a good position to give an unbiased opinion on ESO.

It's a really good game.

"Self proclaimed hardcore MMO players"? What does that mean...exactly? Is that the definition of an experienced gamer who didn't like ESO? Your reference implies an Ad-Hom against the game's critics.

"Burn Out" huh? Exactly what kind of data lead you to this conclusion? What did you see it happen a handful of times and have now reached the conclusion that this must be what is responsible for why someone might not like ESO? What a great way to think about it. This way, you can absolutely claim there is nothing possibly wrong with the game and that it's these player's fault so you can rightfully tell them to GTFO!

As for your "unbiased opinion"?....not really. It's biased. Not saying it's misinformed, just not unbiased.

Explain to me how my opinion is biased.

An unbiased opinion would consider everyone's opinion equally. It would see all sides of the game. It would accept the criticism and the praise and try to seek the happy medium. 

Are you talking about my opinion on the game or my opinion on peoples opinion?

Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Enhesa
Originally posted by sethman75

Well said OP.

Kids these days don't appreciate what made the core of those experiences, fun and adventure.

Both of which you can't get if you rush to cap in 1 day and say the game sucks.

I will be playing TESO carefully and enjoying it for months, the way it is meant to be played.

Absolutely

I think the main issue is that the majority of people reviewing ESO on forums and in blog posts right now are self proclaimed hardcore MMO players, these people have been ripping the ass out of whatever MMO for the last whatever years.

From this we see burnout. The same thing happened with ex WoW players cursing the game after playing for 6 years or however long. It wasn't the games fault people overplayed and got burned out. When people get bored the games magically get shit.

As a gamer of nearly 30 years, and as one who loves MMO's but hasn't burned myself out in recent times I reckon I'm in a good position to give an unbiased opinion on ESO.

It's a really good game.

"Self proclaimed hardcore MMO players"? What does that mean...exactly? Is that the definition of an experienced gamer who didn't like ESO? Your reference implies an Ad-Hom against the game's critics.

"Burn Out" huh? Exactly what kind of data lead you to this conclusion? What did you see it happen a handful of times and have now reached the conclusion that this must be what is responsible for why someone might not like ESO? What a great way to think about it. This way, you can absolutely claim there is nothing possibly wrong with the game and that it's these player's fault so you can rightfully tell them to GTFO!

As for your "unbiased opinion"?....not really. It's biased. Not saying it's misinformed, just not unbiased.

Explain to me how my opinion is biased.

Originally posted by rodingo
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Enhesa
Originally posted by sethman75

Well said OP.

Kids these days don't appreciate what made the core of those experiences, fun and adventure.

Both of which you can't get if you rush to cap in 1 day and say the game sucks.

I will be playing TESO carefully and enjoying it for months, the way it is meant to be played.

Absolutely

I think the main issue is that the majority of people reviewing ESO on forums and in blog posts right now are self proclaimed hardcore MMO players, these people have been ripping the ass out of whatever MMO for the last whatever years.

From this we see burnout. The same thing happened with ex WoW players cursing the game after playing for 6 years or however long. It wasn't the games fault people overplayed and got burned out. When people get bored the games magically get shit.

As a gamer of nearly 30 years, and as one who loves MMO's but hasn't burned myself out in recent times I reckon I'm in a good position to give an unbiased opinion on ESO.

It's a really good game.

"Self proclaimed hardcore MMO players"? What does that mean...exactly? Is that the definition of an experienced gamer who didn't like ESO? Your reference implies an Ad-Hom against the game's critics.

"Burn Out" huh? Exactly what kind of data lead you to this conclusion? What did you see it happen a handful of times and have now reached the conclusion that this must be what is responsible for why someone might not like ESO? What a great way to think about it. This way, you can absolutely claim there is nothing possibly wrong with the game and that it's these player's fault so you can rightfully tell them to GTFO!

As for your "unbiased opinion"?....not really. It's biased. Not saying it's misinformed, just not unbiased.

Well said Geezer.  It's funny how some of us get labeled as "kids", "burnouts", etc.. automatically for not agreeing with someone's praise.

I'm not labelling anyone, least of all the folk here I don't know.

I'm saying that it's incredibly difficult to get an accurate review on a game within this industry above all other industries, because largely gamers don't know when to stop, and that leads to a jaded outlook.

I was generalising, and I'm not saying that everyone who doesn't like ESO is wrong.

What I'm saying is the internet is coming down with throngs of people saying this game is complete shit, and it actually isn't complete shit.

Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Enhesa
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Enhesa
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Enhesa
Originally posted by sethman75

Well said OP.

Kids these days don't appreciate what made the core of those experiences, fun and adventure.

Both of which you can't get if you rush to cap in 1 day and say the game sucks.

I will be playing TESO carefully and enjoying it for months, the way it is meant to be played.

Absolutely

I think the main issue is that the majority of people reviewing ESO on forums and in blog posts right now are self proclaimed hardcore MMO players, these people have been ripping the ass out of whatever MMO for the last whatever years.

From this we see burnout. The same thing happened with ex WoW players cursing the game after playing for 6 years or however long. It wasn't the games fault people overplayed and got burned out. When people get bored the games magically get shit.

As a gamer of nearly 30 years, and as one who loves MMO's but hasn't burned myself out in recent times I reckon I'm in a good position to give an unbiased opinion on ESO.

It's a really good game.

Not really... it means you either play allot of games casually which could entitle you to say you are less biased than the hardcore crowd or you could play casually only a few games which makes you as biased as those who claim this game is utter and complete shit because it isn't as good as another game (why? lack of experience, I've played over 40 MMOs of all types from MMORPGs to MMORTS and everything in between from browser, partial-browser to client-based games and ESO does one thing good, deepens crafting, and quite a few things really badly with RvR possibly being a positive but not really my type, if I PVP I go balls to the wall not large instance group love).

Funny you presume to know my gaming history and instantly try to turn it into a dick swinging contest, but then your attitude is an accurate reflection of the community in general.

Go you

I did not presume anything, merely stated the two possible situations in which you may find yourself at the current time and how it would reflect on your capacity to give a unbiased opinion. The fact you felt attacked enough to attack back by that especially when one of those situations vindicates your assertion does not reflect well on your capacity to give an unbiased opinion on a genre which is based on social interaction ( I only stated my own experience as a way for you to see where I am coming from and how I arrived at my opinion on the game, if my intention was to "dick swing" I would've challenged you to supply comparable numbers which I did not nor will ever require ).

Quotes are fun, it means you can reread what you wrote. You attacked the validity of my opinion.

Let's not talk about attacking, you started acting like a know-it-all and I called you on it. Don't give it if you can't take it, but for the love of god don't turn it into a he said she said drama. And don't downplay your first passive aggressive patronisation then follow up with another. It's about as subtle as a hardon. No one gives a shit about who between the two of us is more expert in games except you.

Anyway, your logic seems to state that either one can be casual or a burnout, and therefore no one can ever be qualified to accurately review a game.

Bizarre

May I suggest re-reading? Burning out usually requires dedication to a single game for months or even years (depending on game, player disposition, time available for gaming,etc) to the exclusion of most if not all others whereas I suggest, in my two possible situations, that he either has allot of time to give gaming or a little which then does affect his exposure to more recent MMOs and all the negatives that entails ( ESO may look like a spectacular game if you missed most of the games in the last year, year and a half most of which did some of the things ESO has better than it with the exception of crafting which, again, within the AA and AAA launches of the last few years has been neglected quite sorely and the only MMO of the past few years which seems to give a damn about it is AoC which will get a massively revamped crafting system someday).

 

You're not taking into account genre burnout, which in the case of MMO's is a very real thing. So no, burnout doesn't require dedication to a single game.

I didn't say ESO was spectacular, I said it was really good. It feels well executed. As a package for me it does more better than any other theme park MMO has for years. I could be just as narrow minded and say if you don't like ESO stop play every single MMO every single day, but I'm not.

This is an opinion.

Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Enhesa
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Enhesa
Originally posted by sethman75

Well said OP.

Kids these days don't appreciate what made the core of those experiences, fun and adventure.

Both of which you can't get if you rush to cap in 1 day and say the game sucks.

I will be playing TESO carefully and enjoying it for months, the way it is meant to be played.

Absolutely

I think the main issue is that the majority of people reviewing ESO on forums and in blog posts right now are self proclaimed hardcore MMO players, these people have been ripping the ass out of whatever MMO for the last whatever years.

From this we see burnout. The same thing happened with ex WoW players cursing the game after playing for 6 years or however long. It wasn't the games fault people overplayed and got burned out. When people get bored the games magically get shit.

As a gamer of nearly 30 years, and as one who loves MMO's but hasn't burned myself out in recent times I reckon I'm in a good position to give an unbiased opinion on ESO.

It's a really good game.

Not really... it means you either play allot of games casually which could entitle you to say you are less biased than the hardcore crowd or you could play casually only a few games which makes you as biased as those who claim this game is utter and complete shit because it isn't as good as another game (why? lack of experience, I've played over 40 MMOs of all types from MMORPGs to MMORTS and everything in between from browser, partial-browser to client-based games and ESO does one thing good, deepens crafting, and quite a few things really badly with RvR possibly being a positive but not really my type, if I PVP I go balls to the wall not large instance group love).

Funny you presume to know my gaming history and instantly try to turn it into a dick swinging contest, but then your attitude is an accurate reflection of the community in general.

Go you

I did not presume anything, merely stated the two possible situations in which you may find yourself at the current time and how it would reflect on your capacity to give a unbiased opinion. The fact you felt attacked enough to attack back by that especially when one of those situations vindicates your assertion does not reflect well on your capacity to give an unbiased opinion on a genre which is based on social interaction ( I only stated my own experience as a way for you to see where I am coming from and how I arrived at my opinion on the game, if my intention was to "dick swing" I would've challenged you to supply comparable numbers which I did not nor will ever require ).

Quotes are fun, it means you can reread what you wrote. You attacked the validity of my opinion.

Let's not talk about attacking, you started acting like a know-it-all and I called you on it. Don't give it if you can't take it, but for the love of god don't turn it into a he said she said drama. And don't downplay your first passive aggressive patronisation then follow up with another. It's about as subtle as a hardon. No one gives a shit about who between the two of us is more expert in games except you.

Anyway, your logic seems to state that either one can be casual or a burnout, and therefore no one can ever be qualified to accurately review a game.

Bizarre

Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Enhesa
Originally posted by sethman75

Well said OP.

Kids these days don't appreciate what made the core of those experiences, fun and adventure.

Both of which you can't get if you rush to cap in 1 day and say the game sucks.

I will be playing TESO carefully and enjoying it for months, the way it is meant to be played.

Absolutely

I think the main issue is that the majority of people reviewing ESO on forums and in blog posts right now are self proclaimed hardcore MMO players, these people have been ripping the ass out of whatever MMO for the last whatever years.

From this we see burnout. The same thing happened with ex WoW players cursing the game after playing for 6 years or however long. It wasn't the games fault people overplayed and got burned out. When people get bored the games magically get shit.

As a gamer of nearly 30 years, and as one who loves MMO's but hasn't burned myself out in recent times I reckon I'm in a good position to give an unbiased opinion on ESO.

It's a really good game.

Not really... it means you either play allot of games casually which could entitle you to say you are less biased than the hardcore crowd or you could play casually only a few games which makes you as biased as those who claim this game is utter and complete shit because it isn't as good as another game (why? lack of experience, I've played over 40 MMOs of all types from MMORPGs to MMORTS and everything in between from browser, partial-browser to client-based games and ESO does one thing good, deepens crafting, and quite a few things really badly with RvR possibly being a positive but not really my type, if I PVP I go balls to the wall not large instance group love).

Funny you presume to know my gaming history and instantly try to turn it into a dick swinging contest, but then your attitude is an accurate reflection of the community in general.

Go you

Originally posted by sethman75

Well said OP.

Kids these days don't appreciate what made the core of those experiences, fun and adventure.

Both of which you can't get if you rush to cap in 1 day and say the game sucks.

I will be playing TESO carefully and enjoying it for months, the way it is meant to be played.

Absolutely

I think the main issue is that the majority of people reviewing ESO on forums and in blog posts right now are self proclaimed hardcore MMO players, these people have been ripping the ass out of whatever MMO for the last whatever years.

From this we see burnout. The same thing happened with ex WoW players cursing the game after playing for 6 years or however long. It wasn't the games fault people overplayed and got burned out. When people get bored the games magically get shit.

As a gamer of nearly 30 years, and as one who loves MMO's but hasn't burned myself out in recent times I reckon I'm in a good position to give an unbiased opinion on ESO.

It's a really good game.

Originally posted by Astralglide

I waited a long time for W.A.R to come out. I thought that the open beta show promise, but was a little perplexed with missing four classes (two of which I was really looking forward to) and the utter lack of trade skills- not to mention how they worked. Granted, I bitched about WoW's trade skills- until I played LOTRO- and the way the skills work in W.A.R. I have become a fan of the WoW trade skills again. *sigh*

I was also looking forward to no having to grind. I figured that between PVE, PQs, and RvR, I would have to do little to no grinding. That would be true, if I could ever get into an RvR scenario. I have seen the tier 2 scenario three times since I became level 21, and my tier three guildees have never seen the tier three scenario- even after 30 hours of waiting in queues. After completing upto chap 10 in Chaos, I have also done chap 8-10 in Greenskins, and 8-10 in Dark Elves, and I am STILL level 21. After quitting LOTRO because I spent most of that game farming Yetis for the bonus, I find myself in WAR, once again, farming fucking Yetis because the kill collector gives experience for them

The result of all this is that my already low population server, KIslev, is getting lower. The Guild Master of my guild cleaned out 60 players who had not logged on in over two weeks, which is pretty sad for a game that has been around for only three weeks. I believe we will be clearing out more as there are about 50 people who have not logged on in the past week. People are fleeing this game left and right, which cuts down on the available RvR, which destroys the point, and fun, of the game. When I called customer service to see if I could transfer my toons to a higher population server, I was told that "Was not possible" and that they were "looking for ways to remedy the situation".

I have a remedy: fire Mark Jacobs.

That's right. Fire the incompetent general manager and vice president of Mythic Entertainment who allowed the release an unfinished game, late, with serious flaws and irritating features (20 second send mail delay?) I'm sure that the shareholders have noticed the 30% DROP in stock value since the release of W.A.R. and the fact that the servers are laggy, even with low population, is unacceptable. The higher population servers have a too low of a cap- so the only people who can play are those who don't have school or a job.

Contact EA. Tell them what is going on, and demand accountability. Hold the man who was responsible for this utter debacle accountable and fire Mark Jacobs.

 


 

Have you played any other MMO from release?

Originally posted by impulsebooks
Originally posted by nitefly

@Gadareth:

So there is no real PvP in the sense that you can invade other areas, you can only invade already parlayed battle grounds?


 


 

I think you're completely wrong. In WAR, the closest thing to controlled battlegrounds (like in WOW) is scenarios. These are instanced areas set aside for equally numbered teams to fight in/over. You gain xp for killing enemy players and renown. The corpses are lootable as always, and you gain coin for each kill. The loot comes from a loot table like PVE mobs. It is not the players gear you are taking.

Open world RVR is uncontrolled in Open servers. You can go anywhere and kill anything except if you are high level and want to gank the starter area. As of right now chicken is in effect even in open servers.

In core server, you play the game the way it was meant to be played. You can PVE in your own area without worrying about being ganked, but you also cannot gank the enemy in HIS PVE area. As in open servers, the chicken is in effect in low level RVR areas to stop high levels interfering.

I personally think the only real differance between the two server types is that in Core you have to flag yourself for rvr in your PVE zone if you want to pvp there. In Open you don't because you are always flagged.

Please don't forget that PVE areas are very small in the endgame areas (tier4)

Tier1 80% PVE 20% RVR

tier2 60% PVE 40% RVR

tier3 40% PVE 60% RVR

tier4 20% PVE 80% RVR

 


 

Judging from what you said, I don't see a great deal of difference in this from WoW world mechanics.

 

And folk whining about gankers, I WANT a cut throat game where I am rarely safe. No, I'm not a ganker, but I can also handle them without crying and agree with alot of them.

PVP restrictions of this proportion are not what I expected in WAR.

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